009 distributor wear.

I swear this is the second time I've had a 009 go out on me. Seems the
bushings wear out. I guess they just got old, me too.
The Q. is , what lubes the shaft and I do oil the felt in the middle.
Did I hear that the distributor cap has #3 offset to run cooler?
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On Jul 11, 7:45*am, VFW > wrote:
> I swear this is the second time I've had a 009 go out on me. *Seems the
> bushings wear out. I guess they just got old, me too.
> The Q. is , what lubes the shaft and I do oil the felt in the middle.
> Did I hear that the distributor cap has #3 offset to run cooler?
> --
> Money! What a concept.

If you have points, then you should lube the felt wick in the middle
at least once a year. It helps lube the part of the points that rubs
against the distributor cam lobe.

This is a really good replacement for the 009 distributor if you have
the stock carburetor.

ACN SVDA Distributor
Part #: IGD0001

Price: $ 159.95
Our SVDA or the Mallory Unilite are our recommended distributors for
VW engines. We supply these with new points, condensor, cap, and
rotor, and they are based on BRAND NEW Genuine Bosch distributors! The
combination of centrifugal and vacuum advance give the smoothest
performance, a 3-4mpg improvement in your fuel economy on the highway,
and a major drop in engine temps on the highway too!

http://www.aircooled.net/new-bin/cat...=IG&p erpage=

https://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails...043-905-205-ZB

https://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails...de=PER-D186504

http://www.aircooled.net/gnrlsite/re...istributor.htm

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>,
Jim Ed > wrote:

> On Jul 11, 7:45*am, VFW > wrote:
> > I swear this is the second time I've had a 009 go out on me. *Seems the
> > bushings wear out. I guess they just got old, me too.
> > The Q. is , what lubes the shaft and I do oil the felt in the middle.
> > Did I hear that the distributor cap has #3 offset to run cooler?
> > --
> > Money! What a concept.
>
> If you have points, then you should lube the felt wick in the middle
> at least once a year. It helps lube the part of the points that rubs
> against the distributor cam lobe.
>
> This is a really good replacement for the 009 distributor if you have
> the stock carburetor.
>
> ACN SVDA Distributor
> Part #: IGD0001
>
> Price: $ 159.95
> Our SVDA or the Mallory Unilite are our recommended distributors for
> VW engines. We supply these with new points, condensor, cap, and
> rotor, and they are based on BRAND NEW Genuine Bosch distributors! The
> combination of centrifugal and vacuum advance give the smoothest
> performance, a 3-4mpg improvement in your fuel economy on the highway,
> and a major drop in engine temps on the highway too!
>
> http://www.aircooled.net/new-bin/cat...d=list&parent2
> =IG&perpage=
>
> https://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails...043-905-205-ZB
>
> https://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails...de=PER-D186504
>
> http://www.aircooled.net/gnrlsite/re...istributor.htm

thanks,
g.
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In article >,
VFW > wrote:

> I swear this is the second time I've had a 009 go out on me. Seems the
> bushings wear out. I guess they just got old, me too.
> The Q. is , what lubes the shaft and I do oil the felt in the middle.
> Did I hear that the distributor cap has #3 offset to run cooler?

The 009 was built to be a utility distributor more appropriate to VW's
appliances such as their low-RPM water pump and generator. It's a piece
of junk.

On 7/11/2010 5:45 AM, VFW wrote:
> I swear this is the second time I've had a 009 go out on me. Seems the
> bushings wear out. I guess they just got old, me too.
> The Q. is , what lubes the shaft and I do oil the felt in the middle.
> Did I hear that the distributor cap has #3 offset to run cooler?


There's a chance the distributor shaft isn't installed correctly and the
oil hole from the case isn't aligning with the oil hold in the
distributor. Or it's just wore out from normal use...

Tony

"VFW" > wrote in message
...
> I swear this is the second time I've had a 009 go out on me. Seems the
> bushings wear out. I guess they just got old, me too.
> The Q. is , what lubes the shaft and I do oil the felt in the middle.
> Did I hear that the distributor cap has #3 offset to run cooler?
> --
> Money! What a concept.

the lower part of the distributor shaft gets splash oiling from the
engine(as tony pointed out, if the drive isn't installed close to right, it
may not get that)... the distributor caps are not offset in any way, some
distributors had a three degree retard ground into the lobes on the shaft at
the points for number three... a lot less distributors had this than folks
realize, and I've never had a oh oh nine that did, but have read that some
folks did have them with the retard... the felt pad should be oiled
periodically.

> The 009 was built to be a utility distributor more appropriate to VW's
> appliances such as their low-RPM water pump and generator. It's a piece
> of junk.

Isn't the 009 distributor better for a dual carb set up than a vac
advance distributor is?

Jim Ed wrote:
>> The 009 was built to be a utility distributor more appropriate to VW's
>> appliances such as their low-RPM water pump and generator. It's a piece
>> of junk.
>
> Isn't the 009 distributor better for a dual carb set up than a vac
> advance distributor is?
>


The 009, as it is out of the box, does not even make a good paperweight
due to the somewhat round and awkward shape. You would have to fabricate
some sort of helper legs to keep it from rolling off. Maybe THEN, the
chromed version could make a half decent paperweight for light duty
applications. Try at your own risk. Test first with some scrap paper.

If you are feeling REALLY adventurous or just like pain and misery, and
intend on using it on an engine, it needs to be modified to fit that
particular engine's needs. Then it will work reasonably well. After a
few hours of tweaking And while the shaft bushings can be sloppy when
new, it will no longer be an issue if you upgrade to a pointless
ignition kit like Pertronix, which of them all is my favorite by far.

Check the drive gear/cog shims too at the bottom of the distributor
shaft. They can be too tight or too loose.

Jim:
The SVDA when tweaked to optimum for the particular engine it is going
into, will always outperform a similarly optimized 009. No question.
Use the 009 when you cannot get a suitable vacuum signal from the
carburator(s).

Just to re-afirm some of the above:

1. An 009 is not junk (Bosch), however it was never intended for a street
VW, It was designed for the VW Utility engines that were quite in vogue
many years ago. (Water pumps, Air Compressors, etc.)
It can be used quite successfully on racing engines that are never operated
below the peak torque RPM.
The Chinese 009 knock-offs are junk. The rotor shaft is not spot welded
correctly and only pressed on. Timing will slip and change. Seen dozens of
them fail. They can be fixed properly and then they are fine.

2. The distributor drive shaft has to be installed correctly so that the
distributor oil holes line up. If not the shaft, etc. will wear excessively.

3. You would be hard pressed to find any 3 deg retard distributors anymore.
And never an 009.

4. Other than initial lubrication of the points at install you never require
any other lubrication. The oil hole and engine blow-by provide plenty of
lubrication.

5. Get rid of your points (and condensor). Install a Pertronix 1847A kit.
(Or 91847A). They eliminate point wear, point bounce, spark scatter and
give you about 1K+ more open voltage spark and possibly better starting.
(You will get NO more HP or mileage, unless your points are bad. (The 91847
provide a slight bit more dwell time, but it ONLY makes a difference at 7000
RPM and above. And even then unless you are boosted or have a CR over 10:1
it will do NOTHING for you. The ACVW needs very little spark do to the very
low cylinder head pressures.

Do not get the Compufires or Empi (Compufire made). They are a bit less
voltage, but worse they fail much more under high temps.

We build dozens of VW racing engines (FV and FST) and have thousands of
hours of dyno time and road racing experience.

And we sell the Pertronix units cheaper than most. (Along with a lot of
other parts that may be applicable to street VW's.)

Jim
SR Racing
www.sracing.com

wrote:
> Just to re-afirm some of the above:
>
> 1. An 009 is not junk (Bosch), however it was never intended for a street
> VW, It was designed for the VW Utility engines that were quite in vogue
> many years ago. (Water pumps, Air Compressors, etc.)
> It can be used quite successfully on racing engines that are never operated
> below the peak torque RPM.
> The Chinese 009 knock-offs are junk. The rotor shaft is not spot welded
> correctly and only pressed on. Timing will slip and change. Seen dozens of
> them fail. They can be fixed properly and then they are fine.
>
> 2. The distributor drive shaft has to be installed correctly so that the
> distributor oil holes line up. If not the shaft, etc. will wear excessively.
>
> 3. You would be hard pressed to find any 3 deg retard distributors anymore.
> And never an 009.
>
> 4. Other than initial lubrication of the points at install you never require
> any other lubrication. The oil hole and engine blow-by provide plenty of
> lubrication.
>
> 5. Get rid of your points (and condensor). Install a Pertronix 1847A kit.
> (Or 91847A). They eliminate point wear, point bounce, spark scatter and
> give you about 1K+ more open voltage spark and possibly better starting.
> (You will get NO more HP or mileage, unless your points are bad. (The 91847
> provide a slight bit more dwell time, but it ONLY makes a difference at 7000
> RPM and above. And even then unless you are boosted or have a CR over 10:1
> it will do NOTHING for you. The ACVW needs very little spark do to the very
> low cylinder head pressures.
>
> Do not get the Compufires or Empi (Compufire made). They are a bit less
> voltage, but worse they fail much more under high temps.
>
> We build dozens of VW racing engines (FV and FST) and have thousands of
> hours of dyno time and road racing experience.
>
> And we sell the Pertronix units cheaper than most. (Along with a lot of
> other parts that may be applicable to street VW's.)
>
> Jim
> SR Racing
> www.sracing.com


Couldn't have said it better!
The 009 distributors need somewhat extensive/in depth tweaking to make
them work, but combined with a pertronix pointless setup they offer a
very affordable and adequate ignition for most engines, from stock to
street to race use.