What about these gifts to Toyota

"larry moe 'n curly" > wrote in message
...
> Back in the mid 1980s, former GM chairman Roger Smith boasted that
> Saturns would be produced in a "lights out" factory, meaning a totally
> automated one. By saying that, did Smith demonstrate having a
> realistic concept of how Saturns were going to be made in the early
> 1990s, when the factory started production?

He had an unrealistic idea of what the labor unions would allow.

wrote:

> The rightwingnuts can't comprehend anything beyond rightwingnut rhetoric.

Generally they think they have a monopoly on intelligence,
rationality, and self-reliance, and its worst among the ones who are
less educated, drunk, have criminal records, believe humans rode
dinosaurs, and are receiving welfare checks. They also consider
anyone in this forum who hasn't written-in Jefferson Davis' name on
every presidential ballot to be a far left kook who hates America and
freedom.

Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote:

> The L00ney Left can't seem to grasp that WORK is better than Welfare.

The looney right is worse, as demonstrated by its higher rates of
welfare and unemployment, but don't let the facts get in your way.

Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:25:42 -0500, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>
> >> To the contrary; we know that it's better to have people working than to
> >> be asking the government for money.
> >>
> >> The L00ney Left can't seem to grasp that WORK is better than Welfare.
> >
> > You can't generalize. When you read about state or local government giving
> > some sort of incentive to a business in return for building a facility, it
> > doesn't mean you have enough information to say it's a good idea.
> >
> > Locally, we've had a couple of projects that have gone bust in big ways. In
> > one instance, a project created 30 jobs here and 200 in Mexico, but of
> > course the sales pitch initially said 200-300 jobs would be created. Now,
> > all such plans are being looked at with extreme scrutiny. In another, my
> > town announced the construction of a 300 slip marina to address the needs of
> > transient boaters. There was just one problem: No business plan of any kind.
> > No need for the marina whatsoever. So, what made the town council so goofy
> > about the project?
> >
> > Bribes.
>
> Seems to me you just generalized.
>
> We were talking about Toyota here. Toyota didn't have a layoff in
> Evansville even though they *stopped* the Tundra line for a couple months.
> They spent the time doing maintenance and cleaning the facility.
>
> Notice, they aren't asking the government for money, either.

They already asked for government money and got it, to the tune of
$250,000 for each job created, and Toyota currently has about $28B in
cash. Such subsidies aren't unusual because every corporation,
American or Foreign, that puts up a large building receives at least
one major subsidy from the local or state government. Even Arizona,
which is relatively stingy about such subsidies (the airline based
here received $50M, while Minnesota's largest airline got 20x that
much), companies get paid for moving here, moving here despite already
being here, and for not moving out of here.

Find out how your state is subsidizing corporations:

http://www.goodjobsfirst.org/corpora...y/overview.cfm

At least with Intel, a lot of their products are produced primarily in
the US, despite being labelled with foreign countries of origin.

"larry moe 'n curly" > wrote in message
...
> They already asked for government money and got it, to the tune of
> $250,000 for each job created, and Toyota currently has about $28B in
> cash. Such subsidies aren't unusual because every corporation,
> American or Foreign, that puts up a large building receives at least
> one major subsidy from the local or state government. Even Arizona,
> which is relatively stingy about such subsidies (the airline based
> here received $50M, while Minnesota's largest airline got 20x that
> much), companies get paid for moving here, moving here despite already
> being here, and for not moving out of here.
>
> Find out how your state is subsidizing corporations:
>
> http://www.goodjobsfirst.org/corpora...y/overview.cfm
>
> At least with Intel, a lot of their products are produced primarily in
> the US, despite being labelled with foreign countries of origin.

While you are tracking subsidies for a business moving to a city, or for not
moving away, don't forget the professional sports franchises. The subsidies
(and blackmail) for the sports teams dwarfs anything given to other
businesses, and is of questionable economic benefit.

Mark A wrote:

> While you are tracking subsidies for a business moving to a city, or for not
> moving away, don't forget the professional sports franchises. The subsidies
> (and blackmail) for the sports teams dwarfs anything given to other
> businesses, and is of questionable economic benefit.


Quite true. Quite excessive. Quite a waste.

On Dec 15, 11:27*am, "Mark A" > wrote:
> "larry moe 'n curly" > wrote in ...
>
>
>
> > They already asked for government money and got it, to the tune of
> > $250,000 for each job created, and Toyota currently has about $28B in
> > cash. *Such subsidies aren't unusual because every corporation,
> > American or Foreign, that puts up a large building receives at least
> > one major subsidy from the local or state government. *Even Arizona,
> > which is relatively stingy about such subsidies (the airline based
> > here received $50M, while Minnesota's largest airline got 20x that
> > much), companies get paid for moving here, moving here despite already
> > being here, and for not moving out of here.
>
> > Find out how your state is subsidizing corporations:
>
> > * *http://www.goodjobsfirst.org/corpora...y/overview.cfm
>
> > At least with Intel, a lot of their products are produced primarily in
> > the US, despite being labelled with foreign countries of origin.
>
> While you are tracking subsidies for a business moving to a city, or for not
> moving away, don't forget the professional sports franchises. The subsidies
> (and blackmail) for the sports teams dwarfs anything given to other
> businesses, and is of questionable economic benefit.

I am more concerned about people getting paid millions of dollars to
play games when around 1000 kids died today in India from diarrhea.

Jeff

On Dec 15, 11:51*am, News > wrote:
> Mark A wrote:
> > While you are tracking subsidies for a business moving to a city, or for not
> > moving away, don't forget the professional sports franchises. The subsidies
> > (and blackmail) for the sports teams dwarfs anything given to other
> > businesses, and is of questionable economic benefit.
>
> Quite true. *Quite excessive. *Quite a waste.

So is the waste of 1000 kids who died from diarrhea disease in India,
alone. Many more are dying needlessly in other countries.

Jeff

On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:47:33 -0800, larry moe 'n curly wrote:

>
>
> Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク wrote:
>
>> The L00ney Left can't seem to grasp that WORK is better than Welfare.
>
> The looney right is worse, as demonstrated by its higher rates of
> welfare and unemployment, but don't let the facts get in your way.


Ain't going to believe that for one second without a reference.

It's my personal observation that most on Welfare are apolitical, don't
give a sh!t, don't vote, or vote who the TV tells them to.

On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:09:09 -0800, larry moe 'n curly wrote:

>> Seems to me you just generalized.
>>
>> We were talking about Toyota here. Toyota didn't have a layoff in
>> Evansville even though they *stopped* the Tundra line for a couple months.
>> They spent the time doing maintenance and cleaning the facility.
>>
>> Notice, they aren't asking the government for money, either.
>
> They already asked for government money and got it, to the tune of
> $250,000 for each job created, and Toyota currently has about $28B in
> cash.

Ain't gonna believe this without a reference, either. $250,000 PER JOB?!?!?!