Sermons

On 11/21/2010 6:13 AM, DogDiesel wrote:
> Anyone want to burn me the sermons for $15 . If so send me a message to here
> . Remove all numbers .
>
> .
>
> Thanks ,
>
> Diesel.
>
>

Here's a copy of the Sermons.
http://www.sermonnotebook.org/old%20...odus_20_15.htm

The Commerce Department is seeking comments on the protection of
copyrighted works online.
http://www.commerce.gov/blog/2010/10...works-internet

On 23/11/10 05:18, Randall wrote:

> The Commerce Department is seeking comments on the protection of copyrighted
> works online.
> http://www.commerce.gov/blog/2010/10...works-internet


Unfortunately it's obvious what will happen: RIAA/MPAA gets more power and
citizens/artists lose it even more. As if they had any rights now.

It has happened every time copyright laws have been changed so far, it would
be very naive to assume it won't happen now. Congress is very thoroughly
bought by RIAA/MPAA.

Not only in US, but in EU too, IFPI says what the laws are and Parliament
says yes to everything.

That won't help individuals at all: Cost of sueing (for copyright
infringement) is so high that it will stay as a privilege for the ultra
rich, ie. record labels.

That's very intentional and won't change.

--
Tuomas - VWs:'63 typ14, '65 typ34 & '61 typ2

"Joey Tribiani" > wrote in message
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> "Joey Tribiani" > wrote in message
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>>>Is she selling them?
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>> not that I'm aware of... but the point Chris was making is that the
>> material is copywrited, and you are asking someone to unlawfully copy
>> that material for profit....
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>>Unavailable material . That somebody chooses to not sell.
>>Um No ....Not for profit. For expenses. mail, time and the CD or Dvd. If
>>it bothers you that much you send the $15 to her . I don't care who
>>gets it.
>
> you want *me* to send her money so you can get the information that her
> late husband pulled from the market? Boy you sure have some balls....

You offered to contact her. i didnt ask you.

if you
> really want the information, it is out there, in print....

No its not. Its been removed.

all you have to
> do is get it... or would you rather *ME* do it for you? tough ****, I
> won't go against Bob's wishes, do the legwork yourself... the information
> is free of charge if you want it... somehow I feel doing a simple search
> may be more work than you are willing to do...


Its been removed.

From everywhere. Even archives.

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On 11/22/2010 8:53 PM, DogDiesel wrote:
> "Jan > wrote in message

>> So... are you saying that the first 50 people should pay, but the
>> following 2500 should get it for free?
>
> No Im saying 50 people pias. And 2500 cant buy it.



Tough ****ski, comerade. "product is out of stock and no longer
available from manufacturer". It happens. If someone were to start
producing a similar alternative, it would have to be different enough to
not be considered copyright infringement. If someone wee to start
copying the original and sell or give them away, it would be considered
a crime.

"DogDiesel" wrote in message
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> You offered to contact her. i didnt ask you.

no sir, I did NOT.... you even quoted my reply, but somehow got the above
from it? very odd, indeed...here it is, again, in it's entirety:
"not that I'm aware of... but the point Chris was making is that the
material is copywrited, and you are asking someone to unlawfully copy
that material for profit...."

I don’t see an offer from me of any type there...

>>if you
>> really want the information, it is out there, in print....

>No its not. Its been removed.

no, it's out there...

>Its been removed.

>From everywhere. Even archives.

odd, since I can find Bob's sermons and all his contributions to this
group(and there are many) with a simple search... as I said, you don't
*want* to find it...

"Joey Tribiani" > wrote in message
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> "DogDiesel" wrote in message
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>
>
>> You offered to contact her. i didnt ask you.
>
> no sir, I did NOT.... you even quoted my reply, but somehow got the above
> from it? very odd, indeed...here it is, again, in it's entirety:
> "not that I'm aware of... but the point Chris was making is that the
> material is copywrited, and you are asking someone to unlawfully copy
> that material for profit...."
>
> I don't see an offer from me of any type there...
>
>>>if you
>>> really want the information, it is out there, in print....
>
>>No its not. Its been removed.
>
> no, it's out there...
>
>>Its been removed.
>
>>From everywhere. Even archives.
>
> odd, since I can find Bob's sermons and all his contributions to this
> group(and there are many) with a simple search... as I said, you don't
> *want* to find it...
>
>

Heres the quote.

I would at least look for ways to send contributions to his widow for
every copy made and shared. I suppose she could decline and allow us to
distribute Bob's work free if she so chooses.
I have tried to contact her through the Blog on another matter, but
received no reply.


I apologize for the misunderstanding. "I would at least look for ways"
was interpreted wrong.
I didn't mean to offend anyone.

I thought Bob wanted people to share who aren't selling his posts. I'm not
doing this for profit. Means don't make any cash from it. I wanted to make a
manual to put in my garage.

And further research I came upon many post about the removal of the sermons
.. I don't care to get involved.
I see now he just decided he didn't want anyone to have any of it.

End of that.



I never heard of the guy until about 2 months ago.

Although I met the "other" pilot Bob Hoover before the Feds tried to steal
his license away. Thinking he was going to have a heart attack. When he was
doing "both engine off" barrel rolls at airshows in a shrike commander.
With the gear down.

Furthermore I found some of his material last night and this morning. I
found Grendels saga last night and wished I found it this morning. Because I
was up for 4 hours . I rode a 82 Goldwing to Alaska ,And I had no issues.
And it was nowhere near as bad as this.

I found the Christmas story. And a bunch of his posts.

Somebody pointed me to the Tulz last month. But I found a 9and a half Tulz I
think. Just now.


I found a reference to an driving to Inuit story. And a site about a bunch
of people riding up there in VW vans. But Bob wasn't listed as driving
there or coming on the trip later.


So once again . I apologize for offending some people.Who have history with
Bob or his wife.

I suppose I could find me another 85-92 Diesel Golf or a Caddy Diesel ,
instead of a bug an the issue is resolved.

Vern Diesel.

"DogDiesel" > wrote in message
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>
> "Joey Tribiani" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "DogDiesel" wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>
>>> You offered to contact her. i didnt ask you.
>>
>> no sir, I did NOT.... you even quoted my reply, but somehow got the
>> above from it? very odd, indeed...here it is, again, in it's entirety:
>> "not that I'm aware of... but the point Chris was making is that the
>> material is copywrited, and you are asking someone to unlawfully copy
>> that material for profit...."
>>
>> I don't see an offer from me of any type there...
>>
>>>>if you
>>>> really want the information, it is out there, in print....
>>
>>>No its not. Its been removed.
>>
>> no, it's out there...
>>
>>>Its been removed.
>>
>>>From everywhere. Even archives.
>>
>> odd, since I can find Bob's sermons and all his contributions to this
>> group(and there are many) with a simple search... as I said, you don't
>> *want* to find it...
>>
>>
>
> Heres the quote.
>
> I would at least look for ways to send contributions to his widow for
> every copy made and shared. I suppose she could decline and allow us to
> distribute Bob's work free if she so chooses.
> I have tried to contact her through the Blog on another matter, but
> received no reply.
>
>
> I apologize for the misunderstanding. "I would at least look for ways"
> was interpreted wrong.
> I didn't mean to offend anyone.
>
> I thought Bob wanted people to share who aren't selling his posts. I'm
> not doing this for profit. Means don't make any cash from it. I wanted to
> make a manual to put in my garage.
>
> And further research I came upon many post about the removal of the
> sermons . I don't care to get involved.
> I see now he just decided he didn't want anyone to have any of it.
>
> End of that.
>
>
>
> I never heard of the guy until about 2 months ago.
>
> Although I met the "other" pilot Bob Hoover before the Feds tried to steal
> his license away. Thinking he was going to have a heart attack. When he
> was doing "both engine off" barrel rolls at airshows in a shrike
> commander. With the gear down.
>
> Furthermore I found some of his material last night and this morning. I
> found Grendels saga last night and wished I found it this morning. Because
> I was up for 4 hours . I rode a 82 Goldwing to Alaska ,And I had no
> issues. And it was nowhere near as bad as this.
>
> I found the Christmas story. And a bunch of his posts.
>
> Somebody pointed me to the Tulz last month. But I found a 9and a half Tulz
> I think. Just now.
>
>
> I found a reference to an driving to Inuit story. And a site about a bunch
> of people riding up there in VW vans. But Bob wasn't listed as driving
> there or coming on the trip later.

http://www.vanagon.com/journeys/inuvik/index.htm

>
>
> So once again . I apologize for offending some people.Who have history
> with Bob or his wife.
>
> I suppose I could find me another 85-92 Diesel Golf or a Caddy Diesel
> , instead of a bug an the issue is resolved.
>
> Vern Diesel.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

In simple terms, Bob's "Sermons" are a compilation of his individual
posts and articles he wrote on several different forums.

If you happen to search Usenet and see him reply to someone with tech
advice, you are in fact reading a piece of the Sermons. The only thing
you are missing is the hard work of combing through the electronic
universe and collecting them all into one CD. THAT is what the Sermons
were. A collection of tech advice and articles, edited and produced into
a format that is easier to read and browse through.

The source material is still out there, scattered around in a million
pieces.

It is difficult to delete messages you send to Usenet. I worked for a
phone company/ISP and I for a while moderated this group by deleting
inappropriate posts. Mere mortals cannot

"DogDiesel" > wrote in message
...
>
> "DogDiesel" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Joey Tribiani" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "DogDiesel" wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>>> You offered to contact her. i didnt ask you.
>>>
>>> no sir, I did NOT.... you even quoted my reply, but somehow got the
>>> above from it? very odd, indeed...here it is, again, in it's entirety:
>>> "not that I'm aware of... but the point Chris was making is that the
>>> material is copywrited, and you are asking someone to unlawfully copy
>>> that material for profit...."
>>>
>>> I don't see an offer from me of any type there...
>>>
>>>>>if you
>>>>> really want the information, it is out there, in print....
>>>
>>>>No its not. Its been removed.
>>>
>>> no, it's out there...
>>>
>>>>Its been removed.
>>>
>>>>From everywhere. Even archives.
>>>
>>> odd, since I can find Bob's sermons and all his contributions to this
>>> group(and there are many) with a simple search... as I said, you don't
>>> *want* to find it...
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Heres the quote.
>>
>> I would at least look for ways to send contributions to his widow for
>> every copy made and shared. I suppose she could decline and allow us to
>> distribute Bob's work free if she so chooses.
>> I have tried to contact her through the Blog on another matter, but
>> received no reply.
>>
>>
>> I apologize for the misunderstanding. "I would at least look for ways"
>> was interpreted wrong.
>> I didn't mean to offend anyone.
>>
>> I thought Bob wanted people to share who aren't selling his posts. I'm
>> not doing this for profit. Means don't make any cash from it. I wanted to
>> make a manual to put in my garage.
>>
>> And further research I came upon many post about the removal of the
>> sermons . I don't care to get involved.
>> I see now he just decided he didn't want anyone to have any of it.
>>
>> End of that.
>>
>>
>>
>> I never heard of the guy until about 2 months ago.
>>
>> Although I met the "other" pilot Bob Hoover before the Feds tried to
>> steal his license away. Thinking he was going to have a heart attack.
>> When he was doing "both engine off" barrel rolls at airshows in a shrike
>> commander. With the gear down.
>>
>> Furthermore I found some of his material last night and this morning. I
>> found Grendels saga last night and wished I found it this morning.
>> Because I was up for 4 hours . I rode a 82 Goldwing to Alaska ,And I had
>> no issues. And it was nowhere near as bad as this.
>>
>> I found the Christmas story. And a bunch of his posts.
>>
>> Somebody pointed me to the Tulz last month. But I found a 9and a half
>> Tulz I think. Just now.
>>
>>
>> I found a reference to an driving to Inuit story. And a site about a
>> bunch of people riding up there in VW vans. But Bob wasn't listed as
>> driving there or coming on the trip later.
>
> http://www.vanagon.com/journeys/inuvik/index.htm
>
>>
>>
>> So once again . I apologize for offending some people.Who have history
>> with Bob or his wife.
>>
>> I suppose I could find me another 85-92 Diesel Golf or a Caddy Diesel
>> , instead of a bug an the issue is resolved.
>>
>> Vern Diesel.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
I just found the REAL Bob Hoover Inuvit run. On the NEW type2 site. I
only read the last page. Which explains why I couldn't get anything from
the old site.Its all moved.

I was supposed to put my attic stairs together today. So I can get my
camping gear out of my living room. But it might not happen. I'm not sure
but it looks like there's more Hoover material then the 800 pages of the
sermons. Does the sermons just cover VWs and some writings . Or did it
cover all his aircraft VW writings too .

This is going to be some awesome reading.

Diesel

On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:05:22 +0100, Jan Andersson >
wrote:

> In simple terms, Bob's "Sermons" are a compilation of his individual
> posts and articles he wrote on several different forums.
>
> If you happen to search Usenet and see him reply to someone with tech
> advice, you are in fact reading a piece of the Sermons. The only thing
> you are missing is the hard work of combing through the electronic
> universe and collecting them all into one CD. THAT is what the Sermons
> were. A collection of tech advice and articles, edited and produced into
> a format that is easier to read and browse through.
>
> The source material is still out there, scattered around in a million
> pieces.
>
> It is difficult to delete messages you send to Usenet. I worked for a
> phone company/ISP and I for a while moderated this group by deleting
> inappropriate posts. Mere mortals cannot



Since we both go back here a long time and "knew" Mr. Hoover I will give
my thoughts on this.

1. I am sure Bob would like his writings to be an asset to the Vw
community even after his death, and therefore made available.
2. I have a legit copy of the Sermons bought from the original source
BusBoys or something like that, a Type 2 company anyways.
3. Under Norwegian law I am entitled to make a backup copy of any Cd/Dvd
bought by legit means. So if I kept the backup and sold the original I
would be covered legally for the sake of argument.
4. I personally really see no reason for not making this material
available for the greater good of the community as a whole.
5. And just for clarity, the original is nothing more than a "Home burned"
copy, not that it matters much, just the fact.

Your thoughts?

J.


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