rFactor tracks

Anyone tried out the new tracks? I downloaded Suzuka last night and
ran a few laps. It looks pretty good. The web site I found also had
Hungaroring and one other. A race at Imola was showing up on Racecast.
Is that track available yet?

Pat

> wrote in message
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> Anyone tried out the new tracks? I downloaded Suzuka last night and
> ran a few laps. It looks pretty good. The web site I found also had
> Hungaroring and one other. A race at Imola was showing up on Racecast.
> Is that track available yet?
>
> Pat
>

Imola is available but has an invisible object just past the pit exit on
the other side of the track. These things are all unknown quantities.

"Byron Forbes" > wrote in

>> Pat
>>
>
> Imola is available but has an invisible object just past the pit
> exit on
> the other side of the track. These things are all unknown quantities.
>
>
>
>

And Imola was converted without asking the permission of the guys who
upgraded it for F1c.
I tend to avoid work that is questionable. I have the track dloaded,
but I doubt I will ever unzip it.

dave henrie

>"Dave Henrie" > wrote
> And Imola was converted without asking the permission of the guys who
> upgraded it for F1c.



Who cares, anyway the guy that modeled the track is in the illegality, he
made the track without the permission or the licensing of the track owners.



That's the thing, people who whine about their work being "stolen" or
"worked into another version", yet they are illegal to start with (3d models
of cars without the approval of the manufacturers, paintschemes that have
all logos unlicensed, etc..).

So I say install that thing and enjoy the track.




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"ymenard" > wrote in message
...
> >"Dave Henrie" > wrote
>> And Imola was converted without asking the permission of the guys who
>> upgraded it for F1c.
>
>
>
> Who cares, anyway the guy that modeled the track is in the illegality, he
> made the track without the permission or the licensing of the track
> owners.
>
>
>
> That's the thing, people who whine about their work being "stolen" or
> "worked into another version", yet they are illegal to start with (3d
> models of cars without the approval of the manufacturers, paintschemes
> that have all logos unlicensed, etc..).
>
> So I say install that thing and enjoy the track.
>

Well, I agree 100% about track "ownership". Why should they care - more
fame for them anyway. So long as they're given credit and it's done right, I
see no drama. I hate nay sayers!

As for the rest, there is no licensing issue at all. No money made - no
license issue. Simple as that.

"Byron Forbes" > wrote in

..au:

>
> Well, I agree 100% about track "ownership". Why should they care -
> more
> fame for them anyway. So long as they're given credit and it's done
> right, I see no drama. I hate nay sayers!
>
> As for the rest, there is no licensing issue at all. No money made
> - no
> license issue. Simple as that.
>
>
>

That is the point. It is a courtesy issue. There was no credit given,
there was no permission asked. They didn't say they used the RH04 Imola as
a base, they just said..'here's our version of the track.'
It wasn't 'done right.' What is going to happen, as it has countless times
in the past, is that some very talented folks will go away. And we all
will suffer in the end.
Guys are converting RSDG cars without permission or credit. Guys are
converting tracks willy nilly. I'll pass.

dave henrie

"Dave Henrie" > wrote in message
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> "Byron Forbes" > wrote in
>
> .au:
>
>>
>> Well, I agree 100% about track "ownership". Why should they care -
>> more
>> fame for them anyway. So long as they're given credit and it's done
>> right, I see no drama. I hate nay sayers!
>>
>> As for the rest, there is no licensing issue at all. No money made
>> - no
>> license issue. Simple as that.
>>
>>
>>
>
> That is the point. It is a courtesy issue. There was no credit given,
> there was no permission asked. They didn't say they used the RH04 Imola
> as
> a base, they just said..'here's our version of the track.'
> It wasn't 'done right.' What is going to happen, as it has countless
> times
> in the past, is that some very talented folks will go away. And we all
> will suffer in the end.
> Guys are converting RSDG cars without permission or credit. Guys are
> converting tracks willy nilly. I'll pass.
>
> dave henrie
>

Yes, there is no doubt that a lack of respect and proper manners and
procedure are skipped in many of these cases. On the other hand, many of the
creators go MIA or no one know how or where to contact them so what then?

I would think that if the creator sees someone upgrading/converting his
work then he should simply insist that a readme gives him due credit and
also obviously the opportunity to be a part of the process if he so wishes.

>"Dave Henrie" > wrote
> That is the point. It is a courtesy issue.


Courtesy takes a ditch to start with when at the start all they are doing is
illegal. Talented people or not, I'm sorry but if you take the risk to do
such thing, you assume all consequences.


It's like a thief asking somebody for a permission to steal from him.







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-- François Ménard <ymenard>
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
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"ymenard" > wrote in message
...
> >"Dave Henrie" > wrote
>> That is the point. It is a courtesy issue.
>
>
> Courtesy takes a ditch to start with when at the start all they are doing
> is illegal. Talented people or not, I'm sorry but if you take the risk to
> do such thing, you assume all consequences.
>
>
> It's like a thief asking somebody for a permission to steal from him.
>

Though I think this idea is extreme, i think there is merit in the idea
that once something is made public it belongs to the sim community - and
legally that is certainly the case. It is obviously poor form to take
someone else's work, upgrade/convert it and give no credit to the creator.
The creator should probably be consulted to see whether he intends to do
anything with it anyway to prevent wasted work if nothing else.

My personal view is that if you ask a track creator if they mind you
upgrading/converting and they say no for no reason, you simply ignore them
and go ahead anyway. In this case I'd say don't bother giving them any
credit either.

What might be good in future also is a website for the good and bad of
the modding community. Have a "Nay Sayers to be ignored" category and a "I
put up my hand to do it but never did or took an eternity" category also.

"Byron Forbes" > wrote in message
...
>
> "ymenard" > wrote in message
> ...
>> >"Dave Henrie" > wrote
>>> That is the point. It is a courtesy issue.
>>
>>
>> Courtesy takes a ditch to start with when at the start all they are doing
>> is illegal. Talented people or not, I'm sorry but if you take the risk
>> to
>> do such thing, you assume all consequences.
>>
>>
>> It's like a thief asking somebody for a permission to steal from him.
>>
>
> Though I think this idea is extreme, i think there is merit in the idea
> that once something is made public it belongs to the sim community - and
> legally that is certainly the case. It is obviously poor form to take
> someone else's work, upgrade/convert it and give no credit to the creator.
> The creator should probably be consulted to see whether he intends to do
> anything with it anyway to prevent wasted work if nothing else.
>
> My personal view is that if you ask a track creator if they mind you
> upgrading/converting and they say no for no reason, you simply ignore them
> and go ahead anyway. In this case I'd say don't bother giving them any
> credit either.
>
> What might be good in future also is a website for the good and bad of
> the modding community. Have a "Nay Sayers to be ignored" category and a "I
> put up my hand to do it but never did or took an eternity" category also.
>
>
>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Byron Forbes"

> My personal view is that if you ask a track creator if they mind you
> upgrading/converting and they say no for no reason, you simply ignore them
> and go ahead anyway. In this case I'd say don't bother giving them any
> credit either.
>
> What might be good in future also is a website for the good and bad of
> the modding community. Have a "Nay Sayers to be ignored" category and a "I
> put up my hand to do it but never did or took an eternity" category also.
>
>

well stuff you mate. with your reasoning, why bother asking if you can
convert it. arrogant (insert expletive of choice here)

some track maker makes every texture map. every 3d object in the track. if
the track maker has got written permission from the track owners to do the
track. has written permission from the photographer of the intro screen, to
use that copywrited photo, he literally owns every part of that track. if he
has put in a read me that it is not to be altered or converted without his
permission, you have to abide by his decisions. if he doesn't give you a
reason why you can't convert it , you're saying you'll go and convert it
anyway. If you are going to bother asking some one, expect one of two
possible answers. yes or no. If the answer is in the negative, there
doesn't need to be a reason, and none has to be given. and you have to
respect that. important word there. Respect. do you know the meaning of
that word. find an online dictionary if you don't own one.

you expect track editors and mod editors to give you everything for nothing,
and then don't respect their wishes in regards to conversions. grow up.
stop acting like a spoilt kid that wants everything his way.

its this attitude in the community that drives a lot of editors out of the
community.

when some one spends many many many hours doing a mod or a track. spending
their own money in some cases to obtain the correct info, elevation maps,
vehicle info. talking to race teams, etc. they get no finacial reward for
it. it is given to the community to use. the one thing that the community
can do in return is respect their wishes in what can and can't be done with
track or mod.


Steve