Smokers' Package?

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:45:19 -0500, Justin
> wrote:

>On 11/16/2012 6:25 AM, Dean Dark wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:43:05 -0500, Justin
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/15/2012 1:38 PM, Dean Dark wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 11:48:34 -0500, Justin
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If a used/certified BMW has the smokers' package, does that usually mean
>>>>> it was previously owned by a smoker?
>>>>
>>>> Do bears **** in the woods?
>>>
>>> Polar bears don't.
>>
>> Let's try it another way then, and see if you catch on.
>>
>> Is the Pope a catholic?
>
>I like the bear ****ting in the woods analogy.
>
>The reason I asked, is that some dealers order all of their cars with
>smokers' packages. They remove them, put them in a box, and when they
>get a used unit without the cancer package, they install one from the
>box seemingly for "free."

There has to be something seriously wrong with you. There is one
simple way to know if the previous owner smoked in the car or not --
smell it! Sheesh.

Spoilsport! Bringing in serious points...

DAS
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"Jeff Strickland" > wrote in message
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[...]
> What are you talking about?
>
> Some people might want a Non Smoker Car for some kind of insurance
> benefit, whatever, and they may order a car from the factory without the
> smoker's package -- which when I was a kid, included an ashtray and a
> cigarette lighter and nothing else.
>
> I doubt that dealers order cars with the package as much as the factory
> makes them with the package because most people want it, or tolerate
> having it even if they personally are not smokers. I have never owned a
> car that did not have a lighter and an ashtray but, except for a cigar or
> two in several years, I have never smoked in my car and that car is a
> convertible with the top down.
>
> You cannot assume that a car with a cigarette lighter and an ashtray was
> owned by a person that used them for anything other than a power port and
> a place to put coins.
>
>

On 11/16/2012 1:15 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:45:19 -0500, Justin
> > wrote:
>
>> On 11/16/2012 6:25 AM, Dean Dark wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:43:05 -0500, Justin
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/15/2012 1:38 PM, Dean Dark wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 11:48:34 -0500, Justin
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If a used/certified BMW has the smokers' package, does that usually mean
>>>>>> it was previously owned by a smoker?
>>>>>
>>>>> Do bears **** in the woods?
>>>>
>>>> Polar bears don't.
>>>
>>> Let's try it another way then, and see if you catch on.
>>>
>>> Is the Pope a catholic?
>>
>> I like the bear ****ting in the woods analogy.
>>
>> The reason I asked, is that some dealers order all of their cars with
>> smokers' packages. They remove them, put them in a box, and when they
>> get a used unit without the cancer package, they install one from the
>> box seemingly for "free."
>
> There has to be something seriously wrong with you. There is one
> simple way to know if the previous owner smoked in the car or not --
> smell it! Sheesh.

Sure.
There's no way a dealer can mask the smell until after the car is sold.
Then once the air freshener wears off it will smell like a biker bar
once again.
I guess with current technology that isn't possible; just like warp drive.

On 11/16/2012 11:58 AM, Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> "Justin" > wrote in message
> ...
>> If a used/certified BMW has the smokers' package, does that usually
>> mean it was previously owned by a smoker?
>>
>
> Just because a car has a cigarette lighter and an ashtray does not mean
> these features were used.
>
> Test drive ANY car for a while with the windows up and the vent system
> turned off. If the car has an odor that is not leather and carpet, then
> you will smell it. CIGARETTE SMOKE SMELL is almost impossible to get rid
> of. DO NOT LET ANYBODY TELL YOU OTHERWISE if you have any aversion to
> the smell at all. If you absolutely love a car BUT it smells of
> ciggybutts, cross it off your list if ciggybutts are an offensive odor
> to you. You will be sorry if you let a salesman tell you, "we can get
> that out." IF HE COULD GET IT OUT, IT WOULD BE OUT ALREADY!
>
>

I returned a camera I bought off eBay because it smelled like
ciggybutts. So yes, it is quite offensive to me.

"Dean Dark" > wrote in message
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> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:43:05 -0500, Justin
> > wrote:
>
>>On 11/15/2012 1:38 PM, Dean Dark wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 11:48:34 -0500, Justin
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> If a used/certified BMW has the smokers' package, does that usually
>>>> mean
>>>> it was previously owned by a smoker?
>>>
>>> Do bears **** in the woods?
>>
>>Polar bears don't.
>
> Let's try it another way then, and see if you catch on.
>
> Is the Pope a catholic?

Nope - Coptic -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...enthroned.html

OTOH does Dolly Parton sleep on her back?

On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 16:12:12 -0000, "R. Mark Clayton"
> wrote:

>Nope - Coptic -
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...enthroned.html

Given the most common understanding of who the Pope is, and leaving
the Greeks aside, then who would doubt my meaning?

Or did you really think that the guy that most people in the world
call the Pope is Greek? And where does the Archbishop of Canterbury
fit into all this? Is he Greek too?

It's all just too confusing.

Dean Dark > wrote:
>
>Or did you really think that the guy that most people in the world
>call the Pope is Greek? And where does the Archbishop of Canterbury
>fit into all this? Is he Greek too?

The real pope lives in Avignon. They even have a wine named after his
new house.

He probably gets the smoker's package in the Popemobile, if only to
light censers with.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

"Dean Dark" > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 16:12:12 -0000, "R. Mark Clayton"
> > wrote:
>
>>Nope - Coptic -
>>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...enthroned.html
>
> Given the most common understanding of who the Pope is, and leaving
> the Greeks aside, then who would doubt my meaning?

The Copts (they are in Egypt).

Probably the Russians too.

Archbishop Leferve.
:
:

>
> Or did you really think that the guy that most people in the world
> call the Pope is Greek? And where does the Archbishop of Canterbury
> fit into all this? Is he Greek too?

The Archbishop of Canterbury is a bit like Colonel Gadaffi - he is head of
all the Anglicans (~70M nominally) expect in England where the head of the
church is HM Queen even though women bishops are not allowed. Now HM is
married to a Greek and wasn't allowed to marry a Catholic and now it gets
really confusing...

>
> It's all just too confusing.

Catholic and Orthodox churches have lots of smoke in them, whereas other
churches usually don't.

My BMW had lighters and an ashtray, but these appeared unused.

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 00:01:23 -0000, "R. Mark Clayton"
> wrote:

>>>Nope - Coptic -
>>>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...enthroned.html
>>
>> Given the most common understanding of who the Pope is, and leaving
>> the Greeks aside, then who would doubt my meaning?
>
>The Copts (they are in Egypt).
>
>Probably the Russians too.
>
>Archbishop Leferve.

I guess that the "most common understanding" part went over your head?

"Dean Dark" > wrote in message
news
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 00:01:23 -0000, "R. Mark Clayton"
> > wrote:
>
>>>>Nope - Coptic -
>>>>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...enthroned.html
>>>
>>> Given the most common understanding of who the Pope is, and leaving
>>> the Greeks aside, then who would doubt my meaning?
>>
>>The Copts (they are in Egypt).
>>
>>Probably the Russians too.
>>
>>Archbishop Leferve.
>
> I guess that the "most common understanding" part went over your head?

Well he is dead, but it they were all schisms..

OTOH most of them would probably say they were catholic...