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  #11  
Old October 20th 04, 12:49 AM
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Nate Nagel wrote:
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> Grumpy au Contraire wrote:
>
> >
> > Robin Banks wrote:
> >
> >>On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:02:16 -0400, Nate Nagel > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Well, we don't *get* what I consider snow here
> >>
> >>I hate you. ;-)
> >>
> >>It's SO close to being put away time here. Temps have been in the 40s/low
> >>50s, we had frost warnings... <sigh> I'll probably have both cars under wraps
> >>by next week. Already got the winterizing treatments for everything.
> >>
> >>I hate that it'll be until late April 'till I see my babies rolling again.
> >>
> >>~~R.Banks

> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Don't let him fool you. He lives in MD and depending of how nasty the
> > winter decides to be, a substantial amount of snow, ice, slush, and of
> > course salt infects the roads from November to April.
> >

>
> I would disagree with the "substantial amount." Generally it only snows
> to any significant degree a couple days a year. However, having the
> road crews dump craploads of salt on the road as a pre-emptive measure
> when it's only going to snow enough to tint things white - and melt off
> anyway as soon as the sun comes out - is a distinct possibility
>
> > Now, here in Austin, Texas, one can generally drive vintage tin daily
> > year round.
> >
> > That's why I'm bustin' his chops!
> >
> > <G>

>
> You're a braver man than I, I drove my '62 to work one day when it was
> about 95 degrees out, I think I lost 20 lbs. in about 30 miles I
> like air conditioning, it's a Good Thing. (I didn't choose to drive it
> that day, my other car was in the shop that day for some necessary
> timing belt maintenance. The *NEXT* time I drove it to work I got
> caught in a torrential downpour, with those dinky little windshield
> wipers and a defroster I never hooked up. I think Mother Nature likes
> laughing at people, because it was the middle of summer.)
>
> nate
>
>


Geeeeez... We're bringing up a generation of wimps. Never wuz
ennything like air con when I wuz a kid. Fact is, I haven't owned a car
with A/C since 1997 and I live where it really gets hot!

And, of course if you don't hook up a defroster whose fault izzat???

And secondly, I use oversized wiper blades of at least 14" which is more
than ample.

Stop yer whining!!!

<G>




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  #12  
Old October 20th 04, 12:51 AM
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Robin Banks wrote:
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> On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 02:31:01 GMT, Grumpy au Contraire >
> wrote:
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> > Don't let him fool you. He lives in MD and depending of how nasty the
> > winter decides to be, a substantial amount of snow, ice, slush, and of
> > course salt infects the roads from November to April.

>
> Oh, yeah. The winter might not be as snowy as here, or stay on the ground as
> long, but I've often trudged though snow in MD. ;-)
>
> > Now, here in Austin, Texas, one can generally drive vintage tin daily
> > year round.

>
> Now I hate you. <laugh> Austin... man, I've had some great times in that
> town. I could tell you a story about the time we parked our tour busses at
> one end of 6th, but it's an R rated story not fit for this group. <g>
>
> > 1931 Studebaker President State Coupe (Q4)
> > 1955 Studebaker President State Coupe - Future Project
> > 1955 Studebaker President State Sedan - Almost done Daily Driver
> > 1956 Studebaker Power Hawk - Long Time Fun Car - (Will be burial
> > container)
> > 1964 Studebaker Champ P/U T-6 Long Bed - Daily driver

>
> I'm always interested in seeing cars that belong to folks from this group. Do
> you have pictures of yours on a site somewhere?
>
> Here's my '53 Caddie: http://www.vector11.com/rbanks/cadillac.jpg
> ..and my 58 Edsel: http://www.vector11.com/rbanks/edsel.jpg
> ..and one on the way home via Route 66 eastbound, near the TX/OK border:
> http://www.vector11.com/rbanks/edsel66.jpg
>
> ~~R.Banks




I don't have a website but currently, there is a picture of the '56 on
alt.autos.studebaker somewhere... (posted yesterday)



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  #13  
Old October 20th 04, 10:51 AM
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Paul Spencer wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:46:09 GMT, Robin Banks
> > wrote:
>
>
>>I'm always interested in seeing cars that belong to folks from this group.

>
>
> Here's mine then: http://boynings.co.uk/bentley. It should look a bit
> different by next year with the rather ugly wooden battery box
> replaced by something more original looking.
>


I'm impressed, I always liked Bentleys even if I could never afford one.
Rolls-Royce was the featured marque at this car show that I was at on
Saturday, I probably annoyed the wine and cheese crowd (if they even
noticed) by bypassing all the Rolls to drool over a couple nice Bentleys

nate

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Old October 20th 04, 11:04 AM
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:04:18 +0100, Paul Spencer >
wrote:

>On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:46:09 GMT, Robin Banks
> wrote:
>
>>I'm always interested in seeing cars that belong to folks from this group.

>
>Here's mine then: http://boynings.co.uk/bentley. It should look a bit
>different by next year with the rather ugly wooden battery box
>replaced by something more original looking.


Nice pre-war Bentley! I admire those, but they're too "raw" for me.
I used to have a Silver Shadow and have been thinking of another
Roller or Bentley but I'd like a 6-cylinder Cloud/S.
Emanuel
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  #15  
Old October 20th 04, 11:09 AM
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Grumpy au Contraire wrote:

>
> Nate Nagel wrote:
>
>>Grumpy au Contraire wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Grumpy au Contraire wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Grumpy au Contraire wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Looks like I just bought myself another car... a '64 Stude convertible,
>>>>>>>>comes with NOS front fenders. Now fenders on Studes are made in a real
>>>>>>>>retarded manner, there is a vertical brace at the rear edge with a tiny
>>>>>>>>little gap between it and the outer skin. Guess where they all rust?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What would you guys do to protect this area and keep it from rusting?
>>>>>>>>Normally in this situation I would strip the factory primer off and
>>>>>>>>brush POR-15 over the inside of the fender, but that's not going to help
>>>>>>>>here - the part that rusts you can't get a brush in. Is there any place
>>>>>>>>that would, say, chemically strip the fender and then dip it in epoxy
>>>>>>>>paint or something really rust resistant?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>nate
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I fill the gaps with foundation coating. That stuff never gets hard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Needless to day, you ain't gonna drive that thang in the ice 'n snow, right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>when you say fill in the gaps you mean like seal off that whole area
>>>>>>behind the brace? Do you leave the hole at the bottom open?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>nate
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I ain't answering until you answer question #2...
>>>>>
>>>>><G>
>>>>>
>>>>Well, we don't *get* what I consider snow here, so I guess the answer is
>>>>"no, unless I move" <G>
>>>>
>>>>nate
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>You live too close to DeeCee and are obviously getting some coachin'
>>>from the evil liberal that you sometimes hang with thus are sharpening
>>>your issue avoidance skills... Yes?
>>>
>>><G>
>>>

>>maybe <G>
>>
>>seriously, any car I put together needs to be a practical driver, as I
>>don't actually own a car newer than 1988 and that one does need
>>occasional attention (getting better, though, now that I've had it a
>>while.) I don't plan on driving in bad weather but you never know.
>>
>>nate
>>
>>

>
>
>
> Okay, okay... Youse worn me down!
>
> What I do is stand the fender on the back edge, use masking tape to
> prevent the foundation sealant from running all over the place and fill
> the entire area with the stuff.
>
> Let it dry for about a month (preferably in JP's garage this time of year)
>
> Don't forget to use epoxy primer and a top coat before the foundation
> coating though..
>
> The reason that it has to dry is that it doesn't particularly like
> undercoating. It will take several attempts to undercoat those areas
> but when done, it should last a very long time depending on how much you
> abuse it but your wouldn't do anything like that, right?
>


Ah, I think I see what you're getting at now, you're talking about that
black tarry stuff that's kind of like undercoating for cinder block
I like the idea of something I can pour in there and slosh around, but
does it stick OK to the factory black coating? or do I need to take it
off and get some primer in there somehow?

thanks,

nate


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Old October 20th 04, 06:29 PM
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Nate Nagel wrote:
>
> Grumpy au Contraire wrote:
>
> >
> > Nate Nagel wrote:
> >
> >>Grumpy au Contraire wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Nate Nagel wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Grumpy au Contraire wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Nate Nagel wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Grumpy au Contraire wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Nate Nagel wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Looks like I just bought myself another car... a '64 Stude convertible,
> >>>>>>>>comes with NOS front fenders. Now fenders on Studes are made in a real
> >>>>>>>>retarded manner, there is a vertical brace at the rear edge with a tiny
> >>>>>>>>little gap between it and the outer skin. Guess where they all rust?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>What would you guys do to protect this area and keep it from rusting?
> >>>>>>>>Normally in this situation I would strip the factory primer off and
> >>>>>>>>brush POR-15 over the inside of the fender, but that's not going to help
> >>>>>>>>here - the part that rusts you can't get a brush in. Is there any place
> >>>>>>>>that would, say, chemically strip the fender and then dip it in epoxy
> >>>>>>>>paint or something really rust resistant?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>thanks,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>nate
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I fill the gaps with foundation coating. That stuff never gets hard.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Needless to day, you ain't gonna drive that thang in the ice 'n snow, right?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>when you say fill in the gaps you mean like seal off that whole area
> >>>>>>behind the brace? Do you leave the hole at the bottom open?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>nate
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I ain't answering until you answer question #2...
> >>>>>
> >>>>><G>
> >>>>>
> >>>>Well, we don't *get* what I consider snow here, so I guess the answer is
> >>>>"no, unless I move" <G>
> >>>>
> >>>>nate
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>You live too close to DeeCee and are obviously getting some coachin'
> >>>from the evil liberal that you sometimes hang with thus are sharpening
> >>>your issue avoidance skills... Yes?
> >>>
> >>><G>
> >>>
> >>maybe <G>
> >>
> >>seriously, any car I put together needs to be a practical driver, as I
> >>don't actually own a car newer than 1988 and that one does need
> >>occasional attention (getting better, though, now that I've had it a
> >>while.) I don't plan on driving in bad weather but you never know.
> >>
> >>nate
> >>
> >>

> >
> >
> >
> > Okay, okay... Youse worn me down!
> >
> > What I do is stand the fender on the back edge, use masking tape to
> > prevent the foundation sealant from running all over the place and fill
> > the entire area with the stuff.
> >
> > Let it dry for about a month (preferably in JP's garage this time of year)
> >
> > Don't forget to use epoxy primer and a top coat before the foundation
> > coating though..
> >
> > The reason that it has to dry is that it doesn't particularly like
> > undercoating. It will take several attempts to undercoat those areas
> > but when done, it should last a very long time depending on how much you
> > abuse it but your wouldn't do anything like that, right?
> >

>
> Ah, I think I see what you're getting at now, you're talking about that
> black tarry stuff that's kind of like undercoating for cinder block
> I like the idea of something I can pour in there and slosh around, but
> does it stick OK to the factory black coating? or do I need to take it
> off and get some primer in there somehow?
>
> thanks,
>
> nate
>
>



I consider the factory primer next to useless. In my case, I poured the
foundation coating directly over it but now would probably strip the old
primer out and re-prime with epoxy/etching material.

Regardless of what you do, you still have to stay on a strict
surveillance regimen to prevent rust from starting.

Another sure fire method is to spray liberal amounts of old crankcase
oil over/into the effected areas once or twice a year. Kinda messy but
very effective...



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  #17  
Old October 24th 04, 12:40 PM
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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:25:52 +0100, Paul Spencer >
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>One of the great things about old Bentleys is that people drive them.
>So many other classics of that age get to stay in the garage.


True, you tend to see the pre-war Bentleys in scruffy condition,
still being driven, rather than subjected to concourse-themed
restorations. I like classics I can drive day-to-day, but I want
something comfortable to drive year round, as well as fun. The early
Bentleys seem more the latter than the former. For instance, how's the
heating in them?
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