completely OT!

I know we have some serious computer nerds here, and I say that
affectionately, even jealously ;-)

Microsoft, in their own form of brilliance (stupidity really!), when XP
changed to Vista, Outlook Express was dropped in favor of 'Microsoft Mail'
which, is about the same but just enough different to be a 'pain in the
arse'. Didn't make any sense to me but now, in Windows 7 they make another
move that makes about as much sense, they've dropped the mail program
completely as close as I can tell.

Can I get recommendations on (preferably) free software for sending and
receiving email and newsgroups?

I appreciate your input!

Chris
99BBB

Chris D'Agnolo wrote:
> I know we have some serious computer nerds here, and I say that
> affectionately, even jealously ;-)
>
> Microsoft, in their own form of brilliance (stupidity really!), when XP
> changed to Vista, Outlook Express was dropped in favor of 'Microsoft
> Mail' which, is about the same but just enough different to be a 'pain
> in the arse'. Didn't make any sense to me but now, in Windows 7 they
> make another move that makes about as much sense, they've dropped the
> mail program completely as close as I can tell.
>
> Can I get recommendations on (preferably) free software for sending and
> receiving email and newsgroups?
>
> I appreciate your input!
>
> Chris
> 99BBB


i use thunderbird. it is free and very similar to outlook express.
it is developed by the same people that created the popular firefox
browser.
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/thunderbird/

On 2/07/2010 4:03 p.m., Chris D'Agnolo wrote:
> I know we have some serious computer nerds here, and I say that
> affectionately, even jealously ;-)
>
> Microsoft, in their own form of brilliance (stupidity really!), when XP
> changed to Vista, Outlook Express was dropped in favor of 'Microsoft
> Mail' which, is about the same but just enough different to be a 'pain
> in the arse'. Didn't make any sense to me but now, in Windows 7 they
> make another move that makes about as much sense, they've dropped the
> mail program completely as close as I can tell.
>
> Can I get recommendations on (preferably) free software for sending and
> receiving email and newsgroups?
>
> I appreciate your input!
>
> Chris
> 99BBB

Windows live mail replaces outlook express / mail.
It's a much better email program than outlook express. Doesn't come on
the W7 disk - you need to d/l it.
I use live mail for email, thunderbird for newsgroups.

On 7/2/2010 3:35 AM, barry wrote:
> outlook express had too many vulnerabilities vis a vis
> viruses/hackers/etc.
>
Really out of the news group area, but--

Only if O.E. was setup to automatically open stuff, and not in text mode.

I will admit/agree that some versions were susceptible, to the point
that I used an MS unreleased "stripped" version for some time with XP.

Back then, I was one of the longer term real MS MVPs, from the
compuserve days until 2004. Too many other concerns, including health to
continue. The older longer term MVPs as I was, were given annual
subscriptions to MSN Universal and a full TecNet subscription, as well
as a free MSN "executive" account. Windows "call home for help" is an
outgrowth of an idea and suggestion I made in 1999 at Redmond.

I also regret the abandonment of O.E., and have gone to Thunderbird for
daily use in Win7 and Vista. I do have outlook 07, but seldom use it.

I used to like O.E. because it had the ability to read and display raw
source, headers, routing, etc. without execution of embedded code. That
helped in hunting down some of the dumber spammers and so forth.

"Chuck" > wrote in message
news
> On 7/2/2010 3:35 AM, barry wrote:
>> outlook express had too many vulnerabilities vis a vis
>> viruses/hackers/etc.
>>
> Really out of the news group area, but--
>
> Only if O.E. was setup to automatically open stuff, and not in text mode.
>
> I will admit/agree that some versions were susceptible, to the point that
> I used an MS unreleased "stripped" version for some time with XP.
>
> Back then, I was one of the longer term real MS MVPs, from the compuserve
> days until 2004. Too many other concerns, including health to continue.
> The older longer term MVPs as I was, were given annual subscriptions to
> MSN Universal and a full TecNet subscription, as well as a free MSN
> "executive" account. Windows "call home for help" is an outgrowth of an
> idea and suggestion I made in 1999 at Redmond.
>
> I also regret the abandonment of O.E., and have gone to Thunderbird for
> daily use in Win7 and Vista. I do have outlook 07, but seldom use it.
>
> I used to like O.E. because it had the ability to read and display raw
> source, headers, routing, etc. without execution of embedded code. That
> helped in hunting down some of the dumber spammers and so forth.



As usual, I'm impressed with the quality and quantity of information
available here, even Off Topic!

Thanks guys, I've got some homework to do. More input is welcome of course.

Chris
99BBB

On 7/2/2010 12:16 AM, Christopher Muto wrote:
> Chris D'Agnolo wrote:
>> I know we have some serious computer nerds here, and I say that
>> affectionately, even jealously ;-)
>>
>> Microsoft, in their own form of brilliance (stupidity really!), when
>> XP changed to Vista, Outlook Express was dropped in favor of
>> 'Microsoft Mail' which, is about the same but just enough different to
>> be a 'pain in the arse'. Didn't make any sense to me but now, in
>> Windows 7 they make another move that makes about as much sense,
>> they've dropped the mail program completely as close as I can tell.
>>
>> Can I get recommendations on (preferably) free software for sending
>> and receiving email and newsgroups?
>>
>> I appreciate your input!
>>
>> Chris
>> 99BBB
>
>
> i use thunderbird. it is free and very similar to outlook express.
> it is developed by the same people that created the popular firefox
> browser.
> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/thunderbird/

I'll second that -- Thunderbird works well.

On 2010-07-01 10:03 PM, Chris D'Agnolo wrote:
> I know we have some serious computer nerds here, and I say that
> affectionately, even jealously ;-)
>
> Microsoft, in their own form of brilliance (stupidity really!), when XP
> changed to Vista, Outlook Express was dropped in favor of 'Microsoft
> Mail' which, is about the same but just enough different to be a 'pain
> in the arse'. Didn't make any sense to me but now, in Windows 7 they
> make another move that makes about as much sense, they've dropped the
> mail program completely as close as I can tell.
>
> Can I get recommendations on (preferably) free software for sending and
> receiving email and newsgroups?
>
> I appreciate your input!
>
> Chris
> 99BBB

Thunderbird! It is free from Mozilla just like Firefox. I use it on
all our computers whether XP, Vista, or Windows 7.

Stuart H.
'91 Eunos Roadster

On 7/2/2010 7:42 AM, Stuart H. wrote:
> On 2010-07-01 10:03 PM, Chris D'Agnolo wrote:
>> I know we have some serious computer nerds here, and I say that
>> affectionately, even jealously ;-)
>>
>> Microsoft, in their own form of brilliance (stupidity really!), when XP
>> changed to Vista, Outlook Express was dropped in favor of 'Microsoft
>> Mail' which, is about the same but just enough different to be a 'pain
>> in the arse'. Didn't make any sense to me but now, in Windows 7 they
>> make another move that makes about as much sense, they've dropped the
>> mail program completely as close as I can tell.
>>
>> Can I get recommendations on (preferably) free software for sending and
>> receiving email and newsgroups?
>>
>> I appreciate your input!
>>
>> Chris
>> 99BBB
>
> Thunderbird! It is free from Mozilla just like Firefox. I use it on all
> our computers whether XP, Vista, or Windows 7.
>
> Stuart H.
> '91 Eunos Roadster

I'll third, or quadruple the Thunderbird recommendation. I also like
Firefox for a web browser. I have never used any version of Internet
Explorer on any personal machine for any longer than it took to get over
to the Firefox site and download it.

The same used to be true for Netscape over whatever MS was using back in
1998 or so, and I am not a rabid anti-Microsoft person. I have just
always preferred the other non-Microsoft browsers and email programs.

You will probably need to set up a news server as well. This is a good
free one that was recommended to me by someone here. (Chris Muto?)

http://aioe.org/

There are lots of others out there that are free as well.

If you need help setting it up, let me know and I can either do it
remotely online, or I can talk you through it over the phone. It's not
rocket science stuff, but if you haven't done email and newsgroup
settings in a while, it can be helpful to have someone who is fresh on
the subject.

I also have a web-based (yahoo) account that I like because I can access
that account from any internet connected computer that I use.

This has come in handy when staying over at a "friend's" place,
especially before the so-called smart phones.

Pat

"Chris D'Agnolo" > wrote:

> Can I get recommendations on (preferably) free software for
> sending and receiving email and newsgroups?

You can still use Windows Mail, you'll need to get it from an old
Vista computer or have someone put in on a CD for you.
http://www.mydigitallife.info/2009/0...-in-windows-7/

Personally, I don't think any combination program is good enough for
both mail and news, I use Pegasus Mail for email (after giving up
on T'Bird) and Xnews for newsgroups. Both are free.

Google will find them for you, Pegasus has a GREAT support group
and everything you ever need to know about Xnews is at:
news.software.readers on Usenet.


--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

On 2010-07-02, Chris D'Agnolo > wrote:
> I know we have some serious computer nerds here, and I say that
> affectionately, even jealously ;-)
>
> Microsoft, in their own form of brilliance (stupidity really!), when XP
> changed to Vista, Outlook Express was dropped in favor of 'Microsoft Mail'
> which, is about the same but just enough different to be a 'pain in the
> arse'. Didn't make any sense to me but now, in Windows 7 they make another
> move that makes about as much sense, they've dropped the mail program
> completely as close as I can tell.
>
> Can I get recommendations on (preferably) free software for sending and
> receiving email and newsgroups?

<ObUnixGeekReply>

Mutt (email) and slrn (news) both work nicely under cygwin -- or there
are native ports of both.

</ObUnixGeekReply>


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