civic oil filters redux

went through the back posts on google, can't find a good answer
noticed that my stocked up parts now has two sizes of gennywine honda
oil filters for a 92 civic (now with added B16, same filter, right?)
One is fatter and says honeywell made in canada and the other is
smaller and says filtec and is made in Japan (I might have some of
this backwards I'm working from memory here). Did they change over?
It's annoying because now I have to go buy another cup type filter
wrench.

On the one hand, the more oil the better, but on the other hand, if
the drainback valve leaks some, it takes the smaller filter less time
to fill up and pass the oil along.

z > wrote in news:a4490c91-25e2-4600-9f3c-
:

> went through the back posts on google, can't find a good answer
> noticed that my stocked up parts now has two sizes of gennywine honda
> oil filters for a 92 civic (now with added B16, same filter, right?)
> One is fatter and says honeywell made in canada and the other is
> smaller and says filtec and is made in Japan (I might have some of
> this backwards I'm working from memory here). Did they change over?
> It's annoying because now I have to go buy another cup type filter
> wrench.
>
> On the one hand, the more oil the better, but on the other hand, if
> the drainback valve leaks some, it takes the smaller filter less time
> to fill up and pass the oil along.
>
>



15400-PLM-A02. That's the right filter. They changed them some five years
ago.

Is the drainback flap orange or black?


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z > wrote in news:a4490c91-25e2-4600-9f3c-
:

> went through the back posts on google, can't find a good answer
> noticed that my stocked up parts now has two sizes of gennywine honda
> oil filters for a 92 civic (now with added B16, same filter, right?)
> One is fatter and says honeywell made in canada



That's FRAM. FRAM has made Honda's OEM filters for Canada for at least
15 years. OEM is all I ever use.

If your filters are bigger than 2.5" diameter they're the old-style
filter that was phased out five years ago,



> and the other is
> smaller and says filtec


Filtech. Don't forget the "H".


> and is made in Japan (I might have some of
> this backwards I'm working from memory here). Did they change over?



Yep. Smaller is newer.


> It's annoying because now I have to go buy another cup type filter
> wrench.



Yep. The changeover cost me forty bucks for a new socket.

The new, smaller 15400-PLM-A02 takes the new Honda socket 07AAA-PLCA100
(which fits Toyota filter 90915-YZZF2 perfectly, by the way...). The
aftermarket Flo-Tool #5 socket kinda fits, but you really have to force
it into position, and even then it tends to slip.

The old 15400-PT7-006 filter is bigger than 2.5" diameter. I used to use
a MAC Tools OF8015 socket for that.


>
> On the one hand, the more oil the better, but on the other hand, if
> the drainback valve leaks some, it takes the smaller filter less time
> to fill up and pass the oil along.
>
>


I'm not sure the smaller filter has made one whit of difference to
engine life.


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"z" > wrote in message
...
> went through the back posts on google, can't find a good answer
> noticed that my stocked up parts now has two sizes of gennywine honda
> oil filters for a 92 civic (now with added B16, same filter, right?)
> One is fatter and says honeywell made in canada and the other is
> smaller and says filtec and is made in Japan (I might have some of
> this backwards I'm working from memory here). Did they change over?
> It's annoying because now I have to go buy another cup type filter
> wrench.
>

I have never had a filter wrench and always do it by hand. It is quite easy
with a little oil on the gasket.

> On the one hand, the more oil the better, but on the other hand, if
> the drainback valve leaks some, it takes the smaller filter less time
> to fill up and pass the oil along.
>

By how many microseconds?

z wrote:
> went through the back posts on google, can't find a good answer
> noticed that my stocked up parts now has two sizes of gennywine honda
> oil filters for a 92 civic (now with added B16, same filter, right?)
> One is fatter and says honeywell made in canada and the other is
> smaller and says filtec and is made in Japan (I might have some of
> this backwards I'm working from memory here). Did they change over?

yes.


> It's annoying because now I have to go buy another cup type filter
> wrench.

big deal.


>
> On the one hand, the more oil the better, but on the other hand, if
> the drainback valve leaks some, it takes the smaller filter less time
> to fill up and pass the oil along.
>

that is a very important point. in my experience, 100% of the honda
filters made by fram have leaky drainback valves. 100%. and 100% of
the high quality aftermarket filters i've used, don't. therefore, while
i'm a pretty hard core "honda oem" kinda guy, honda oem filters are
something i rule out. instead, i buy aftermarket japanese online from
places like alleurasianautoparts.com or i buy champion filters from
walmart - which come from the same factory as the $10 mobil 1 filters.

don't buy fram, regardless of the label on the outside.

>
> that is a very important point. in my experience, 100% of the honda
> filters made by fram have leaky drainback valves. 100%. and 100% of the
> high quality aftermarket filters i've used, don't. therefore, while i'm a
> pretty hard core "honda oem" kinda guy, honda oem filters are something i
> rule out. instead, i buy aftermarket japanese online from places like
> alleurasianautoparts.com or i buy champion filters from walmart - which
> come from the same factory as the $10 mobil 1 filters.
>
> don't buy fram, regardless of the label on the outside.

I use Fram ExtraGuard. They never leak even I replace it every 10K miles.
Advance Auto's Totalgrip (same as Purolator Premium) always leak around the
gasket.

Bob Jones wrote:
>> that is a very important point. in my experience, 100% of the honda
>> filters made by fram have leaky drainback valves. 100%. and 100% of the
>> high quality aftermarket filters i've used, don't. therefore, while i'm a
>> pretty hard core "honda oem" kinda guy, honda oem filters are something i
>> rule out. instead, i buy aftermarket japanese online from places like
>> alleurasianautoparts.com or i buy champion filters from walmart - which
>> come from the same factory as the $10 mobil 1 filters.
>>
>> don't buy fram, regardless of the label on the outside.
>
> I use Fram ExtraGuard. They never leak even I replace it every 10K miles.
> Advance Auto's Totalgrip (same as Purolator Premium) always leak around the
> gasket.
>
>
i'm not talking about leaking around the gasket - i'm talking about the
drainback valve inside the filter. fram always allow the oil to drain
back, and all the crud that the filter is supposed to trap and retain,
get recirculated back into the engine.

you'll never notice this if you warm the engine and change the filter
immediately, as most people do. but if you warm the engine, then wait
30-60 minutes, you'll find the fram filter completely empty because the
valve has leaked. the filter should be full, and stay full because the
valve should only allow oil one way.

"jim beam" > wrote in message
t...
> Bob Jones wrote:
>>> that is a very important point. in my experience, 100% of the honda
>>> filters made by fram have leaky drainback valves. 100%. and 100% of
>>> the high quality aftermarket filters i've used, don't. therefore, while
>>> i'm a pretty hard core "honda oem" kinda guy, honda oem filters are
>>> something i rule out. instead, i buy aftermarket japanese online from
>>> places like alleurasianautoparts.com or i buy champion filters from
>>> walmart - which come from the same factory as the $10 mobil 1 filters.
>>>
>>> don't buy fram, regardless of the label on the outside.
>>
>> I use Fram ExtraGuard. They never leak even I replace it every 10K miles.
>> Advance Auto's Totalgrip (same as Purolator Premium) always leak around
>> the gasket.
> i'm not talking about leaking around the gasket - i'm talking about the
> drainback valve inside the filter. fram always allow the oil to drain
> back, and all the crud that the filter is supposed to trap and retain, get
> recirculated back into the engine.
>
> you'll never notice this if you warm the engine and change the filter
> immediately, as most people do. but if you warm the engine, then wait
> 30-60 minutes, you'll find the fram filter completely empty because the
> valve has leaked. the filter should be full, and stay full because the
> valve should only allow oil one way.

Yep, I was talking about Fram's drainback valve. Yep, I waited 30 minutes
before removing the filter. It was still filled with oil.
I have the OEM Fram on now. I will find out if it leaks at my next oil
change.

Bob Jones wrote:
> "jim beam" > wrote in message
> t...
>> Bob Jones wrote:
>>>> that is a very important point. in my experience, 100% of the honda
>>>> filters made by fram have leaky drainback valves. 100%. and 100% of
>>>> the high quality aftermarket filters i've used, don't. therefore, while
>>>> i'm a pretty hard core "honda oem" kinda guy, honda oem filters are
>>>> something i rule out. instead, i buy aftermarket japanese online from
>>>> places like alleurasianautoparts.com or i buy champion filters from
>>>> walmart - which come from the same factory as the $10 mobil 1 filters.
>>>>
>>>> don't buy fram, regardless of the label on the outside.
>>> I use Fram ExtraGuard. They never leak even I replace it every 10K miles.
>>> Advance Auto's Totalgrip (same as Purolator Premium) always leak around
>>> the gasket.
>> i'm not talking about leaking around the gasket - i'm talking about the
>> drainback valve inside the filter. fram always allow the oil to drain
>> back, and all the crud that the filter is supposed to trap and retain, get
>> recirculated back into the engine.
>>
>> you'll never notice this if you warm the engine and change the filter
>> immediately, as most people do. but if you warm the engine, then wait
>> 30-60 minutes, you'll find the fram filter completely empty because the
>> valve has leaked. the filter should be full, and stay full because the
>> valve should only allow oil one way.
>
> Yep, I was talking about Fram's drainback valve. Yep, I waited 30 minutes
> before removing the filter. It was still filled with oil.

good!

> I have the OEM Fram on now. I will find out if it leaks at my next oil
> change.

let us know - the hope is that honda have got fram to fix the problem.
i [stupidly] used oem that leaked for about 5 years before i figured out
what was happening.

jim beam > wrote in news:3uydnX-
:

> z wrote:

>
>
>>
>> On the one hand, the more oil the better, but on the other hand, if
>> the drainback valve leaks some, it takes the smaller filter less time
>> to fill up and pass the oil along.
>>
>
> that is a very important point. in my experience, 100% of the honda
> filters made by fram have leaky drainback valves. 100%.



And my experience is precisely the opposite of yours (over 14 years). I did
have one that was bad, but only that one.
http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/peelback.jpg
(This is one of the old, larger filters; the new ones have an improved
flap)

Those drainback flaps really do work.

Next oil change, hold the old Honda OEM FRAM-built filter open end up. See
how the center pipe does not refill from the dirty side of the medium? Now
poke a screwdriver through one of the inflow holes to push the drainback
flap back and break the vacuum. The center pipe will fill instantly. Try
it.

There is absolutely nothing at all wrong with FRAM's drainback flap as
installed in OEM Honda filters.



>
> don't buy fram, regardless of the label on the outside.
>



OEM Honda filters are of excellent quality, even if made by FRAM.


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