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Finally, California drivers can read a cell phone map (iPad too?)
In article >, Susan Sage >
wrote: > Nothing in California is sane. very true. land of the stupid laws. > But what I want to know is whether an ipad with cellular is considered a > cell phone? it's not, but that won't stop getting pulled over. and where do you draw the line? there are 7" cellphones. also, an ipod touch is definitely not a cellphone at all. it doesn't have a cellular radio of any kind. |
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Finally, California drivers can read a cell phone map (iPad too?)
On 2014-02-28, Liam O'Connor > wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 21:16:02 -0500, Davoud wrote: > >> Joe Simitian deserves an award for his concern for public safety. > > They said the same thing about Senator Joe McCarthy. > Until people came to their senses. > >> I don't care if Satan supports it. > He does. His name is Senator Joe Mcc... I mean Simitian. > >> You are unlikely to convince me that >> it is safe to drive while attempting to read a complex map display. > > You're joking right? At this very moment, Simitian's office is preparing a > bill to outlaw anything in a driver's hands other than the steering wheel. > That means no cigarettes, no coffee, no portable GPS, not even a pair of > sunglasses. (http://www.senatorsimitian.com) > > You think that's sane? > It even includes paper maps, I might add. Let's refrain from discussing the ****ing assholes who race, tailgate, rage on people driving at or under the speed limit just because they want to go faster, and do other completely asinine and dangerous things on the road. We'll pretend they don't exist for the moment (though they surely do exist and are out in full force, more so today than 10 years ago). Too many people are too distracted by things in their cars while driving as it is - a problem that seems to get worse year after year. Every single time I drive, I see people talking on their phone, drinking, eating, digging for things on the passenger floor or glove box, putting on makeup *and* eating or drinking at the same time, scolding their brats in the back seat, and all sorts of other things that are decidedly *not* driving - often while travelling at very high speeds on the highway. Such oblivious idiots who seem to pay attention to everything *but* the road are a very real danger to me and every other person on the road. Studies have shown again and again that distracted drivers (even drivers talking on the phone hands-free) have reaction times similar to, or worse than, people who are considered legally intoxicated. So until all cars are driven autonomously, I'm happy to hear that *anything* is being done to address this very real and serious problem, personally. Driving accidents *hurt* and *kill* innocent people every single day. And anyone how has family members who have been hit by such idiots (including me) will agree. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR |
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Finally, California drivers can read a cell phone map (iPad too?)
In article >, Davoud >
wrote: > I don't care if Satan supports it. You are unlikely to convince me that > it is safe to drive while attempting to read a complex map display. > That's why we have voice-enabled GPS in our cars. If the portable GPS > can give voice instructions without being seen or touched by the > driver, that's OK. Otherwise, ban 'em. How about a map printed on paper? |
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Finally, California drivers can read a cell phone map (iPad too?)
On 2014-02-28 04:36:04 +0000, Susan Sage > said:
> On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 20:07:52 -0800, Liam O'Connor wrote: > >> You're joking right? At this very moment, Simitian's office is preparing a >> bill to outlaw anything in a driver's hands other than the steering wheel. >> That means no cigarettes, no coffee, no portable GPS, not even a pair of >> sunglasses. (http://www.senatorsimitian.com) >> >> You think that's sane? > > Nothing in California is sane. > > But what I want to know is whether an ipad with cellular is considered a > cell phone? As long as you don't hold it up to your head. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Finally, California drivers can read a cell phone map (iPad too?)
In article <201402272208359605-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck
> wrote: > On 2014-02-28 04:36:04 +0000, Susan Sage > said: > > On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 20:07:52 -0800, Liam O'Connor wrote: > >> > >> You're joking right? At this very moment, Simitian's office is preparing a > >> bill to outlaw anything in a driver's hands other than the steering wheel. > >> That means no cigarettes, no coffee, no portable GPS, not even a pair of > >> sunglasses. (http://www.senatorsimitian.com) > >> > >> You think that's sane? > > > > Nothing in California is sane. > > > > But what I want to know is whether an ipad with cellular is considered a > > cell phone? > > As long as you don't hold it up to your head. Apparently, until they change the stupidly restrictive wording of the law, you are currently "allowed" to play Angry Birds and other games while driving ... no doubt some idiot will now try playing a driving game while driving. |
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Finally, California drivers can read a cell phone map (iPad too?)
On Thursday, February 27, 2014 6:44:51 PM UTC-8, DevilsPGD wrote:
> In the last episode of >, Davoud > > said: > >> The moronic Joe Simitian > >Joe Simitian deserves an award for his concern for public safety. > >> is at this very moment introducing a new bill > >> (supported by the automakers) to make it illegal to use ANY hand-held GPS in the > >> California > >> cars! http://www.senatorsimitian.com/entry...ct_information > >I don't care if Satan supports it. You are unlikely to convince me that > >it is safe to drive while attempting to read a complex map display. > >That's why we have voice-enabled GPS in our cars. If the portable GPS > >can give voice instructions without being seen or touched by the > >driver, that's OK. Otherwise, ban 'em. > I'm mixed. While I agree in principle, I've also watched what happens > what a GPS voice instruction isn't clear, or isn't far enough in advance > for the driver to understand what is coming up and get into the right > lane, leading to stupidity and panic swerving to correct into the right > lane. The concept of "it's not a big deal if you miss a turn, the GPS > will find another route" is beyond the capabilities of most drivers. > So whether it's better to have a distracted but better informed driver > or the opposite is a matter I'd like to see researched. Odd, we got by jus fine with paper maps and enough brains to remember a few route changes for over 100 years, now the moronic drivers can't get to the local drive-in without something to tell him when to turn. If I were king, there would be NO screens except the usual instruments within reach or sight of the driver. Better to have distracted or informed driver? I'm afraid we are stuck with the distracted driver as most are too lazy to preplan anything. Harry |
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Finally, California drivers can read a cell phone map (iPad too?)
In article <201402272208359605-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck
> wrote: > > But what I want to know is whether an ipad with cellular is considered a > > cell phone? > > As long as you don't hold it up to your head. that won't avoid getting pulled over. and where's the line between a cellphone, phablet and tablet anyway? and would an ipod touch, which has no cellular anything, be exempt? |
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Finally, California drivers can read a cell phone map (iPad too?)
In article >,
Harry K > wrote: > Odd, we got by jus fine with paper maps and enough brains to remember a few > route changes for over 100 years, now the moronic drivers can't get to the > local drive-in without something to tell him when to turn. we got by with typewriters, phones attached to walls and quite a bit more. who wants to go back to that? how many paper maps must one carry? for a major area like los angeles, san francisco or new york city, that could be a *lot* of maps. for a road trip, even more so. and where exactly is the local drive-in anyway? they've pretty much all been demolished. |
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Finally, California drivers can read a cell phone map (iPad too?)
On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 21:55:37 -0700, Michelle Steiner
> wrote: >In article >, Davoud > >wrote: > >> I don't care if Satan supports it. You are unlikely to convince me that >> it is safe to drive while attempting to read a complex map display. >> That's why we have voice-enabled GPS in our cars. If the portable GPS >> can give voice instructions without being seen or touched by the >> driver, that's OK. Otherwise, ban 'em. > >How about a map printed on paper? I drove from Baltimore to Dallas and back a few yeas ago. I don't remember trying to do this on the way there, but on the way back, I told myself special circumstances existed (and they did) and tried a couple times to read my paper map while driving. I didn't hit anything but it was a big mistake. I love maps, I can reproduce many from memory, to scale. And sometimes I can find my way even without a map, just by dead reckoning. If I know something is about 4 miles northwest, I'll head northwest, turning left and right asa necessary, until I see the street or building. I've only not known where I am about 10 times in my life, and only not known which direction I was going about twice (in the fog south of Boston one time and in Bethehem Pa. the other.) But when I need a map, I retain what it said for a very short time. 5 minutes or even less. It seems inconsistent with the rest of me. But that's why I wanted to look at the map. Reading a map (which means you have to look at it) is far harder than drinking something, or even adjusting the radio. |
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Finally, California drivers can read a cell phone map (iPad too?)
On 02/27/2014 11:55 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> Too many people are too distracted by things in their cars while driving > as it is - a problem that seems to get worse year after year. Every > single time I drive, I see people talking on their phone, drinking, > eating, digging for things on the passenger floor or glove box, putting > on makeup *and* eating or drinking at the same time, scolding their > brats in the back seat, and all sorts of other things that are decidedly > *not* driving So why not make this simple and get rid of all laws that define victimless crimes such as using a hand held GPS while driving, Simply put, if a particular driver ends up crashing an injuring or killing someone, then charge him based on the results of the crash (property damage, injury, death, etc.). I don't care whether he was drunk, reaching for something on the passenger floor, using a hand held GPS, fell asleep or whatever else might of happened. If he ends up killing someone in a crash, then charge him with vehicular manslaughter. |
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