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Old October 24th 10, 12:35 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.vw.aircooled
DogDiesel
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Default balanced or unbalanced engines.

I'm not complaining, I find the engine vibration is just fine in Bugs. But
would it be better if you get a balanced and counter weighted crankshaft.
For engine life and less vibration. If you're going to rebuild one.


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Old October 24th 10, 05:19 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.vw.aircooled
Jim Ed
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On Oct 24, 6:35*am, "DogDiesel" > wrote:
> I'm not complaining, I find the engine vibration is just fine in Bugs. But
> would it be better if you get a balanced and counter weighted *crankshaft.
> For engine life and less vibration. If you're going to rebuild one.


I think that is mainly for racing.

http://www.geneberg.com/cat.php?cPath=4_78_2703

Developed by Gene Berg and Bob Dixon in 1972
Why a counterweight crankshaft? The VW air-cooled engine is designed
for low RPM, low power output and high mileage use. When used that way
it gives many years of trouble free service with little or no wear.
However, the higher the RPM, power, or the quicker the acceleration,
the more the centrifugal force bends the crank at the center main.
This bending force occurs because the two center rod journals are on
the same side, putting all the weighted forces on one side of the
crankshaft. This pounds out the case at the center main saddle, plus
makes the pulley and flywheel run out, often damaging the case at the
pulley end. It also puts the rod into an acute angle, one of the
things which drives wrist pin keepers out of the piston. If this
bending gets too bad it can cause rod breakage or even the loss of a
flywheel. Berg counterweights balance this effect so the crank not
only stays straight, it also rotates on a film of oil, as it should.
Crankshaft strength is also increased with the addition of the
counterweight. This provides longer case, rod, piston, cylinder, and
bearing life.
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Old October 25th 10, 12:49 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.vw.aircooled
P.J.Berg[_3_]
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Default balanced or unbalanced engines.

On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 18:19:57 +0200, Jim Ed > wrote:

> On Oct 24, 6:35 am, "DogDiesel" > wrote:
>> I'm not complaining, I find the engine vibration is just fine in Bugs.
>> But
>> would it be better if you get a balanced and counter weighted
>> crankshaft.
>> For engine life and less vibration. If you're going to rebuild one.

>
> I think that is mainly for racing.
>
> http://www.geneberg.com/cat.php?cPath=4_78_2703
>
> Developed by Gene Berg and Bob Dixon in 1972
> Why a counterweight crankshaft? The VW air-cooled engine is designed
> for low RPM, low power output and high mileage use. When used that way
> it gives many years of trouble free service with little or no wear.
> However, the higher the RPM, power, or the quicker the acceleration,
> the more the centrifugal force bends the crank at the center main.
> This bending force occurs because the two center rod journals are on
> the same side, putting all the weighted forces on one side of the
> crankshaft. This pounds out the case at the center main saddle, plus
> makes the pulley and flywheel run out, often damaging the case at the
> pulley end. It also puts the rod into an acute angle, one of the
> things which drives wrist pin keepers out of the piston. If this
> bending gets too bad it can cause rod breakage or even the loss of a
> flywheel. Berg counterweights balance this effect so the crank not
> only stays straight, it also rotates on a film of oil, as it should.
> Crankshaft strength is also increased with the addition of the
> counterweight. This provides longer case, rod, piston, cylinder, and
> bearing life.



The best thing to do for a stock T1 engine is to balance the stock
assembly, read some of the late Bob Hoovers writings, he was the most
correct and anal person I know of without something to sell.
Gene Berg still is considerer a "God" by some today, but proven very, very
wrong many times .

Try to get hold of a copy of "The Sermons" by Bob Hoover, I have the
original release on a Cd, Most of his writings should be available through
search engines or Google groups. Find RAMWA on Google groups and do a
search..

J.


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Old October 25th 10, 02:37 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.vw.aircooled
Jim Ed
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Default balanced or unbalanced engines.

Search for Tulz or Tulz series by Bob Hoover.


On Oct 24, 6:49*pm, "P.J.Berg" > wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 18:19:57 +0200, Jim Ed > wrote:
> > On Oct 24, 6:35 am, "DogDiesel" > wrote:
> >> I'm not complaining, I find the engine vibration is just fine in Bugs. *
> >> But
> >> would it be better if you get a balanced and counter weighted *
> >> *crankshaft.
> >> For engine life and less vibration. If you're going to rebuild one.

>
> > *I think that is mainly for racing.

>
> >http://www.geneberg.com/cat.php?cPath=4_78_2703

>
> > Developed by Gene Berg and Bob Dixon in 1972
> > Why a counterweight crankshaft? The VW air-cooled engine is designed
> > for low RPM, low power output and high mileage use. When used that way
> > it gives many years of trouble free service with little or no wear.
> > However, the higher the RPM, power, or the quicker the acceleration,
> > the more the centrifugal force bends the crank at the center main.
> > This bending force occurs because the two center rod journals are on
> > the same side, putting all the weighted forces on one side of the
> > crankshaft. This pounds out the case at the center main saddle, plus
> > makes the pulley and flywheel run out, often damaging the case at the
> > pulley end. It also puts the rod into an acute angle, one of the
> > things which drives wrist pin keepers out of the piston. If this
> > bending gets too bad it can cause rod breakage or even the loss of a
> > flywheel. Berg counterweights balance this effect so the crank not
> > only stays straight, it also rotates on a film of oil, as it should.
> > Crankshaft strength is also increased with the addition of the
> > counterweight. This provides longer case, rod, piston, cylinder, and
> > bearing life.

>
> The best thing to do for a stock T1 engine is to balance the stock *
> assembly, read some of the late Bob Hoovers writings, he was the most *
> correct and anal person I know of without something to sell.
> Gene Berg still is considerer a "God" by some today, but proven very, very *
> wrong many times .
>
> Try to get hold of a copy of "The Sermons" by Bob Hoover, I have the *
> original release on a Cd, Most of his writings should be available through *
> search engines or Google groups. Find RAMWA on Google groups and do a *
> search..


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Old October 25th 10, 04:18 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.vw.aircooled
DogDiesel
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Default balanced or unbalanced engines.


Holy crap I found the Tulz series and it printed. Thank you.



"Jim Ed" > wrote in message
...
Search for Tulz or Tulz series by Bob Hoover.


On Oct 24, 6:49 pm, "P.J.Berg" > wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 18:19:57 +0200, Jim Ed > wrote:
> > On Oct 24, 6:35 am, "DogDiesel" > wrote:
> >> I'm not complaining, I find the engine vibration is just fine in Bugs.
> >> But
> >> would it be better if you get a balanced and counter weighted
> >> crankshaft.
> >> For engine life and less vibration. If you're going to rebuild one.

>
> > I think that is mainly for racing.

>
> >http://www.geneberg.com/cat.php?cPath=4_78_2703

>
> > Developed by Gene Berg and Bob Dixon in 1972
> > Why a counterweight crankshaft? The VW air-cooled engine is designed
> > for low RPM, low power output and high mileage use. When used that way
> > it gives many years of trouble free service with little or no wear.
> > However, the higher the RPM, power, or the quicker the acceleration,
> > the more the centrifugal force bends the crank at the center main.
> > This bending force occurs because the two center rod journals are on
> > the same side, putting all the weighted forces on one side of the
> > crankshaft. This pounds out the case at the center main saddle, plus
> > makes the pulley and flywheel run out, often damaging the case at the
> > pulley end. It also puts the rod into an acute angle, one of the
> > things which drives wrist pin keepers out of the piston. If this
> > bending gets too bad it can cause rod breakage or even the loss of a
> > flywheel. Berg counterweights balance this effect so the crank not
> > only stays straight, it also rotates on a film of oil, as it should.
> > Crankshaft strength is also increased with the addition of the
> > counterweight. This provides longer case, rod, piston, cylinder, and
> > bearing life.

>
> The best thing to do for a stock T1 engine is to balance the stock
> assembly, read some of the late Bob Hoovers writings, he was the most
> correct and anal person I know of without something to sell.
> Gene Berg still is considerer a "God" by some today, but proven very, very
> wrong many times .
>
> Try to get hold of a copy of "The Sermons" by Bob Hoover, I have the
> original release on a Cd, Most of his writings should be available through
> search engines or Google groups. Find RAMWA on Google groups and do a
> search..



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Old October 25th 10, 05:43 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.vw.aircooled
DogDiesel
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Default balanced or unbalanced engines.


"Jim Ed" > wrote in message
...
Search for Tulz or Tulz series by Bob Hoover.


On Oct 24, 6:49 pm, "P.J.Berg" > wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 18:19:57 +0200, Jim Ed > wrote:
> > On Oct 24, 6:35 am, "DogDiesel" > wrote:
> >> I'm not complaining, I find the engine vibration is just fine in Bugs.
> >> But
> >> would it be better if you get a balanced and counter weighted
> >> crankshaft.
> >> For engine life and less vibration. If you're going to rebuild one.

>
> > I think that is mainly for racing.

>
> >http://www.geneberg.com/cat.php?cPath=4_78_2703

>
> > Developed by Gene Berg and Bob Dixon in 1972
> > Why a counterweight crankshaft? The VW air-cooled engine is designed
> > for low RPM, low power output and high mileage use. When used that way
> > it gives many years of trouble free service with little or no wear.
> > However, the higher the RPM, power, or the quicker the acceleration,
> > the more the centrifugal force bends the crank at the center main.
> > This bending force occurs because the two center rod journals are on
> > the same side, putting all the weighted forces on one side of the
> > crankshaft. This pounds out the case at the center main saddle, plus
> > makes the pulley and flywheel run out, often damaging the case at the
> > pulley end. It also puts the rod into an acute angle, one of the
> > things which drives wrist pin keepers out of the piston. If this
> > bending gets too bad it can cause rod breakage or even the loss of a
> > flywheel. Berg counterweights balance this effect so the crank not
> > only stays straight, it also rotates on a film of oil, as it should.
> > Crankshaft strength is also increased with the addition of the
> > counterweight. This provides longer case, rod, piston, cylinder, and
> > bearing life.

>
> The best thing to do for a stock T1 engine is to balance the stock
> assembly, read some of the late Bob Hoovers writings, he was the most
> correct and anal person I know of without something to sell.
> Gene Berg still is considerer a "God" by some today, but proven very, very
> wrong many times .
>
> Try to get hold of a copy of "The Sermons" by Bob Hoover, I have the
> original release on a Cd, Most of his writings should be available through
> search engines or Google groups. Find RAMWA on Google groups and do a
> search..




Jim, How come i cant message you?


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Old October 26th 10, 01:47 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.vw.aircooled
Jim Ed
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> Jim, How come i cant message you?


Me or Speedy Jim?

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Old October 26th 10, 05:04 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.vw.aircooled
DogDiesel
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"Jim Ed" > wrote in message
...
>
>> Jim, How come i cant message you?

>
> Me or Speedy Jim?
>


You, my messages get kicked back, bad address. fatal flaws, blah, blah blah.


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Old October 26th 10, 09:57 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.vw.aircooled
Jim Ed
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> >> Jim, How come i cant message you?

>
> > *Me or Speedy Jim?

>
> You, my messages get kicked back, bad address. fatal flaws, blah, blah blah.


I don't know why. I want to leave it that way to avoid spammers.

 




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