009 distributor wear.

On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 03:12:38 +0200, Jan Andersson
> wrote:

> wrote:
>> Just to re-afirm some of the above:
>> 1. An 009 is not junk (Bosch), however it was never intended for a
>> street
>> VW, It was designed for the VW Utility engines that were quite in vogue
>> many years ago. (Water pumps, Air Compressors, etc.)
>> It can be used quite successfully on racing engines that are never
>> operated
>> below the peak torque RPM.
>> The Chinese 009 knock-offs are junk. The rotor shaft is not spot welded
>> correctly and only pressed on. Timing will slip and change. Seen dozens
>> of
>> them fail. They can be fixed properly and then they are fine.
>> 2. The distributor drive shaft has to be installed correctly so that
>> the
>> distributor oil holes line up. If not the shaft, etc. will wear
>> excessively.
>> 3. You would be hard pressed to find any 3 deg retard distributors
>> anymore.
>> And never an 009.
>> 4. Other than initial lubrication of the points at install you never
>> require
>> any other lubrication. The oil hole and engine blow-by provide plenty
>> of
>> lubrication.
>> 5. Get rid of your points (and condensor). Install a Pertronix 1847A
>> kit.
>> (Or 91847A). They eliminate point wear, point bounce, spark scatter and
>> give you about 1K+ more open voltage spark and possibly better
>> starting. (You will get NO more HP or mileage, unless your points are
>> bad. (The 91847
>> provide a slight bit more dwell time, but it ONLY makes a difference at
>> 7000
>> RPM and above. And even then unless you are boosted or have a CR over
>> 10:1
>> it will do NOTHING for you. The ACVW needs very little spark do to the
>> very
>> low cylinder head pressures.
>> Do not get the Compufires or Empi (Compufire made). They are a bit less
>> voltage, but worse they fail much more under high temps.
>> We build dozens of VW racing engines (FV and FST) and have thousands of
>> hours of dyno time and road racing experience.
>> And we sell the Pertronix units cheaper than most. (Along with a lot of
>> other parts that may be applicable to street VW's.)
>> Jim
>> SR Racing
>> www.sracing.com
>
>
> Couldn't have said it better!
> The 009 distributors need somewhat extensive/in depth tweaking to make
> them work, but combined with a pertronix pointless setup they offer a
> very affordable and adequate ignition for most engines, from stock to
> street to race use.

Even my -56 had vacuum advance, need I say more?

J.

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P.J.Berg wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 03:12:38 +0200, Jan Andersson
> > wrote:
>
>> wrote:
>>> Just to re-afirm some of the above:
>>> 1. An 009 is not junk (Bosch), however it was never intended for a
>>> street
>>> VW, It was designed for the VW Utility engines that were quite in vogue
>>> many years ago. (Water pumps, Air Compressors, etc.)
>>> It can be used quite successfully on racing engines that are never
>>> operated
>>> below the peak torque RPM.
>>> The Chinese 009 knock-offs are junk. The rotor shaft is not spot welded
>>> correctly and only pressed on. Timing will slip and change. Seen
>>> dozens of
>>> them fail. They can be fixed properly and then they are fine.
>>> 2. The distributor drive shaft has to be installed correctly so that
>>> the
>>> distributor oil holes line up. If not the shaft, etc. will wear
>>> excessively.
>>> 3. You would be hard pressed to find any 3 deg retard distributors
>>> anymore.
>>> And never an 009.
>>> 4. Other than initial lubrication of the points at install you never
>>> require
>>> any other lubrication. The oil hole and engine blow-by provide
>>> plenty of
>>> lubrication.
>>> 5. Get rid of your points (and condensor). Install a Pertronix 1847A
>>> kit.
>>> (Or 91847A). They eliminate point wear, point bounce, spark scatter and
>>> give you about 1K+ more open voltage spark and possibly better
>>> starting. (You will get NO more HP or mileage, unless your points are
>>> bad. (The 91847
>>> provide a slight bit more dwell time, but it ONLY makes a difference
>>> at 7000
>>> RPM and above. And even then unless you are boosted or have a CR over
>>> 10:1
>>> it will do NOTHING for you. The ACVW needs very little spark do to
>>> the very
>>> low cylinder head pressures.
>>> Do not get the Compufires or Empi (Compufire made). They are a bit less
>>> voltage, but worse they fail much more under high temps.
>>> We build dozens of VW racing engines (FV and FST) and have thousands of
>>> hours of dyno time and road racing experience.
>>> And we sell the Pertronix units cheaper than most. (Along with a lot of
>>> other parts that may be applicable to street VW's.)
>>> Jim
>>> SR Racing
>>> www.sracing.com
>>
>>
>> Couldn't have said it better!
>> The 009 distributors need somewhat extensive/in depth tweaking to make
>> them work, but combined with a pertronix pointless setup they offer a
>> very affordable and adequate ignition for most engines, from stock to
>> street to race use.
>
> Even my -56 had vacuum advance, need I say more?
>
> J.
>

No, you need not. Just shut up

I didn't say "good" either... just adequate.