First day in 8 years with no VW.

T wrote:
> Joseph Oberlander wrote:
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>> Matt B. wrote:
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>>> "rat" > wrote in message
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>>>> And it only costs 10 grand.
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>> The exact model is the Daewoo Kalos.
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> Does it look like _this_?
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> <http://www.autopress.be/Temporaires/SALON/Daewoo%20Kalos%204p.jpg>
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> Not bad looking.

For $6,500, no. For $10K after GM has its way with acessories,
it's just not worth it.

Well all I can say is you seem typical for corporate America! Don't take
this wrong, as I know we're all brain washed from toddlers to the
"American dream".... but spending ten grand on a POS car (& I bet you
financed it - how much are you *actually* paying for it?) to save $1,500
on a repair on a *nice* car is well, just stupid to me. Of course I could
never afford *any* new car since I'm just a skilled laborer in this
country (auto body & frame).
Another thing wrong with this country is people driving OUTRAGEOUS
distances to work! 80 miles???!!! We are FAR too dependent on foriegn oil
for everyone to be doing that!!!
My $.20 (adjusted for Bush's inflation due to massive deficit)
BTW; that bowtie is probably a stick-on. Get out your hair dryer & heat it
up & see if it dosen't peel right off...

~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"

Giggle Cream - it makes dessert *funny*!

Well all I can say is you seem typical for corporate America! Don't take
this wrong, as I know we're all brain washed from toddlers to the
"American dream".... but spending ten grand on a POS car (& I bet you
financed it - how much are you *actually* paying for it?) to save $1,500
on a repair on a *nice* car is well, just stupid to me. Of course I could
never afford *any* new car since I'm just a skilled laborer in this
country (auto body & frame).
Another thing wrong with this country is people driving OUTRAGEOUS
distances to work! 80 miles???!!! We are FAR too dependent on foriegn oil
for everyone to be doing that!!!
My $.20 (adjusted for Bush's inflation due to massive deficit)
BTW; that bowtie is probably a stick-on. Get out your hair dryer & heat it
up & see if it dosen't peel right off...

~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"

Giggle Cream - it makes dessert *funny*!

Oh you can brutalize Korean cars... a co-worker of mine had a 1992 Hyundai
Excel with a 4 speed auto... and he literally tried to kill that car...
wouldn't die... Got a 2004 Elantra this year... They replaced his tires
after 25K Kms because he was wearing them out due to his lead foot.... ALL
FOUR TIRES... even tho 2 were good.
"Matt B." > wrote in message
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> "rat" > wrote in message ...
>> So far its ok for its price. I tried to find a cheap Golf GL but they
>> hardly exist.
>
> And even a no-options GL is a bit spendier than you want I'll bet.
>
> With the Golf/Jetta V on the horizon, they'll probably slide a tad more
> upmarket, making the need for VWoA to bring in a lower priced VW even more
> necessary. There's a gap at the bottom of the VW range that's big enough
> to drive a Polo through
>
>>If this Daewoo lasts 4 years I'd be happy.
>
> I've no experience with Daewoos but I know someone with a Kia Rio sedan
> that uses it as a courier for his business. They run the wheels off that
> car and it just about refuses to die. They did bust a timing belt at
> close to 90K miles I think it was but they had already ignored the normal
> replacement interval (60K I think) so it wasn't the car's fault. Kia
> replaced the engine under warranty anyway! How's that for service? VW
> should be just half that nice. Anyway, if Kias are anything to go by in
> terms of Korean cars these days, Daewoos should be OK too.
>

Oh you can brutalize Korean cars... a co-worker of mine had a 1992 Hyundai
Excel with a 4 speed auto... and he literally tried to kill that car...
wouldn't die... Got a 2004 Elantra this year... They replaced his tires
after 25K Kms because he was wearing them out due to his lead foot.... ALL
FOUR TIRES... even tho 2 were good.
"Matt B." > wrote in message
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> "rat" > wrote in message ...
>> So far its ok for its price. I tried to find a cheap Golf GL but they
>> hardly exist.
>
> And even a no-options GL is a bit spendier than you want I'll bet.
>
> With the Golf/Jetta V on the horizon, they'll probably slide a tad more
> upmarket, making the need for VWoA to bring in a lower priced VW even more
> necessary. There's a gap at the bottom of the VW range that's big enough
> to drive a Polo through
>
>>If this Daewoo lasts 4 years I'd be happy.
>
> I've no experience with Daewoos but I know someone with a Kia Rio sedan
> that uses it as a courier for his business. They run the wheels off that
> car and it just about refuses to die. They did bust a timing belt at
> close to 90K miles I think it was but they had already ignored the normal
> replacement interval (60K I think) so it wasn't the car's fault. Kia
> replaced the engine under warranty anyway! How's that for service? VW
> should be just half that nice. Anyway, if Kias are anything to go by in
> terms of Korean cars these days, Daewoos should be OK too.
>

"Rob Guenther" > wrote in message
...
> Oh you can brutalize Korean cars... a co-worker of mine had a 1992 Hyundai
> Excel with a 4 speed auto... and he literally tried to kill that car...
> wouldn't die... Got a 2004 Elantra this year... They replaced his tires
> after 25K Kms because he was wearing them out due to his lead foot.... ALL
> FOUR TIRES... even tho 2 were good.

Even if the cars aren't the most advanced (but they're nipping at the heels
of Toyota and Honda these days), you have to give the Koreans credit for
trying to make the ownership experience fairly painless. VW(oA) could learn
quite a bit there. When shopping for a car for my partner's sister two
years ago, we visited Hyundai (Elantra) and VW (Jetta) and the Hyundai
dealership was by far more polite, courteous, and not antagonistic at all.
The experience at the VW dealer was downright miserable.

"Rob Guenther" > wrote in message
...
> Oh you can brutalize Korean cars... a co-worker of mine had a 1992 Hyundai
> Excel with a 4 speed auto... and he literally tried to kill that car...
> wouldn't die... Got a 2004 Elantra this year... They replaced his tires
> after 25K Kms because he was wearing them out due to his lead foot.... ALL
> FOUR TIRES... even tho 2 were good.

Even if the cars aren't the most advanced (but they're nipping at the heels
of Toyota and Honda these days), you have to give the Koreans credit for
trying to make the ownership experience fairly painless. VW(oA) could learn
quite a bit there. When shopping for a car for my partner's sister two
years ago, we visited Hyundai (Elantra) and VW (Jetta) and the Hyundai
dealership was by far more polite, courteous, and not antagonistic at all.
The experience at the VW dealer was downright miserable.

The Aveo Is made by Daewoo which also makes the Suzuki Swift.

http://www.flagshipnews.com/archives...02003_24.shtml

"ThaDriver" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...
> Well all I can say is you seem typical for corporate America! Don't take
> this wrong, as I know we're all brain washed from toddlers to the
> "American dream".... but spending ten grand on a POS car (& I bet you
> financed it - how much are you *actually* paying for it?) to save $1,500
> on a repair on a *nice* car is well, just stupid to me. Of course I could
> never afford *any* new car since I'm just a skilled laborer in this
> country (auto body & frame).
> Another thing wrong with this country is people driving OUTRAGEOUS
> distances to work! 80 miles???!!! We are FAR too dependent on foriegn oil
> for everyone to be doing that!!!
> My $.20 (adjusted for Bush's inflation due to massive deficit)
> BTW; that bowtie is probably a stick-on. Get out your hair dryer & heat it
> up & see if it dosen't peel right off...
>
> ~ Paul
> aka "Tha Driver"
>
> Giggle Cream - it makes dessert *funny*!
>

The Aveo Is made by Daewoo which also makes the Suzuki Swift.

http://www.flagshipnews.com/archives...02003_24.shtml

"ThaDriver" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...
> Well all I can say is you seem typical for corporate America! Don't take
> this wrong, as I know we're all brain washed from toddlers to the
> "American dream".... but spending ten grand on a POS car (& I bet you
> financed it - how much are you *actually* paying for it?) to save $1,500
> on a repair on a *nice* car is well, just stupid to me. Of course I could
> never afford *any* new car since I'm just a skilled laborer in this
> country (auto body & frame).
> Another thing wrong with this country is people driving OUTRAGEOUS
> distances to work! 80 miles???!!! We are FAR too dependent on foriegn oil
> for everyone to be doing that!!!
> My $.20 (adjusted for Bush's inflation due to massive deficit)
> BTW; that bowtie is probably a stick-on. Get out your hair dryer & heat it
> up & see if it dosen't peel right off...
>
> ~ Paul
> aka "Tha Driver"
>
> Giggle Cream - it makes dessert *funny*!
>

Really depends on the dealer tho... I know of a bad Hyundai dealer, and I
know of a good VW dealer and a good Volvo dealer... so my families bases are
covered for cars... 2 Golf's and a 960 wagon.... Hopefully soon to be 1
Golf, 1 Jetta/Golf V (or 1 Volvo S40 if I have the cash next year, or the
current style Passat... I haven't made up my mind yet... all I know is I
want: larger, more power, gasoline engine, and manual tranny, and a decent
stereo syste,), and 1 XC70.


Worst dealer ever - I went into a Mitsubishi dealer to look at Lancers, I
don't know if it was the salesman or the dealership in general, but it was
the worst hour of my recent life.... And the car was bad too - Don't worry,
I was only looking to look, not to ever buy one.
"Matt B." > wrote in message
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> "Rob Guenther" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Oh you can brutalize Korean cars... a co-worker of mine had a 1992
>> Hyundai Excel with a 4 speed auto... and he literally tried to kill that
>> car... wouldn't die... Got a 2004 Elantra this year... They replaced his
>> tires after 25K Kms because he was wearing them out due to his lead
>> foot.... ALL FOUR TIRES... even tho 2 were good.
>
> Even if the cars aren't the most advanced (but they're nipping at the
> heels of Toyota and Honda these days), you have to give the Koreans credit
> for trying to make the ownership experience fairly painless. VW(oA) could
> learn quite a bit there. When shopping for a car for my partner's sister
> two years ago, we visited Hyundai (Elantra) and VW (Jetta) and the Hyundai
> dealership was by far more polite, courteous, and not antagonistic at all.
> The experience at the VW dealer was downright miserable.
>