Revitalized Malibu Takes on Accord and Camry

Nate Nagel wrote:

>> Who would want to driver around in an 17 year old car? 10 years is
>> past old enough.
>>
>
> Me, for one... actually I think cars got past the point of diminshing
> returns with added technology before then. My personal car is an '88
> 944 and I don't know that there's anything newer than that that I'd want
> that doesn't cost a silly amount of money. If/when it dies I will
> probably replace it with something used and cheap.

A 15 year old Toyota or Honda is just getting broken in. Most price
comparisons of Toyotas and Hondas versus Fords and Chevys leave out one
key factor in the equation, and that's that you'll need two of the Fords
or Chevys to last as long as one of the Toyotas or Hondas.

"SMS" > wrote in message
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> A 15 year old Toyota or Honda is just getting broken in. Most price
> comparisons of Toyotas and Hondas versus Fords and Chevys leave out one
> key factor in the equation, and that's that you'll need two of the Fords
> or Chevys to last as long as one of the Toyotas or Hondas.

Really bad bait. That bait has long passed its expiration date. Not to
mention that it's been used so many times, all the game fish are wise to it.

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-Mike-

"Mike Marlow" > wrote in message
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> "Sharx35" > wrote in message
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>> Are you illiterate or just plain stupid? I garage the Camry when I am not
>> driving it unlike some idiots who leave their vehicles parked on the
>> street or exposed on open driveways.
>>
>
> At 10 years old and only approximately 80,000 miles on it, the car sits in
> the garage more than it gets driven. Do the math - that comes out to...
> 8,000 miles per year. Hardly something to brag about. Illiterate?
> Stupid? No. Rather, I am quite capable of seeing idiots like you for what
> they are.

Peace be with you!

>
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> -Mike-
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"Mike Marlow" > wrote in message
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>> To the purists, anything post-war is considered "modern". No post-war car
>> is "antique" or "Classic".
>>
>> You're absolutely right that a 17 year-old Honda or Toyota is "just an
>> old
>> car". So were Model A's and '57 Chevrolets at one time too. All cars go
>> through the "just an old car" phase before a few of them eventually get
>> famous and valuable.
>>
>
> Quite true - but my point was simply a response to a red herring
> interjected into the conversation which introduced the terms and concepts
> of antiques and classics.

Red Herring def. When used by an asshole, it means that the OP has scored a
debating point.


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"Mike Marlow" > wrote in message
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>> Frugality enabled me to retire from full time work at 42 and to
>> accumulate near a million bucks in assets. Maybe YOU want to spend like a
>> crack monkey. Enjoy having to work until you are 90.
>>
>>
>>
>
> You are completely incapable of conversation. Just what in the hell gives
> you any reason to believe or even suspect that 80Knight lacks any form of
> frugality? You are just to ate up with yourself. Good thing though,
> because I doubt others are equally impressed with you.

Have a better day!

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> -Mike-
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"Mike Marlow" > wrote in message
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>> No, he values economic freedom more than a shinny new car, wise man
>> actually.
>>
>
> Many here value economic freedom and live their lives to provide that. He
> has thrown that out as a red herring in attempt to distract from the
> original conversation.
>
>> Who suffers more when laid off? The person who has their house and car
>> paid for with cash on the self, or the over drawn idiot with a mortgage
>> on the car, home and credit card bouncing?
>>
>> It even makes for a great family life. Seriously. I have been married
>> for 19 years, and never once argued about the number one cause of
>> divorce, money. Makes one truly rich.... a great home life and we have
>> everything we need.
>>
>
> Seriously - I have been married for over 27 years, successfully raised 4
> kids, enjoy life, live in a mortgage free home of our chosing, and
> continue to contribute to the society I live in. What does any of that
> have to do with driving a 17 year old car?
>
>> So when I go to work, I see people sweat out getting paid, I spend my
>> energies being better. My economic freedoms allow me the choices... as I
>> am not a slave to debt. Boss knows it too, I always get better raises
>> and nicer projects as he knows I am there for the challenges and fun.
>>
>> Go ahead, be a debt slave, someone has to support the bankers new suit.
>>
>
> Why do people like you make statements like this? You know absolutely
> nothing about 80 Knight's life - whether he is enslaved to a mountain of
> debt, whether he inherited $10M from a rich uncle, or whether he is
> modestly secure for the rest of his life. He has indicated nothing to
> suggest either of those, yet you comment "Go ahead, be a debt slave,
> someone has to support the bankers new suit.". That is the very same red
> herring type of comment made by the OP, and all that type of comment
> serves to do is indicate you are at a loss to deal with the
> conversation/point at hand.
>
> You and I don't agree on every aspect of the whole GM conversation that
> has taken place over the past several weeks, and we don't disagree on
> every aspect. I've thought that some of your ideas were over the top -
> perhaps thrown out there to simple raise a little hell, but I've also
> found some of your thoughts to represent an effort at genuine dialog and
> debate. This kind of statement does not serve the latter well.
>
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GM should have been fed to the sharks.

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>>>>>>>>> Hmmm. My Camry is only ten years old so I won't be in the market
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> at least another SEVEN years. Hypothetically, though, instead of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> 99CE 6 cyl. I have, I might go for a new, closer to the top of the
>>>>>>>>> line Camry. To me, Honda is overpriced.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who would want to driver around in an 17 year old car?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Me, for instance. My car is 18 years old. Bought it new, too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just don't ask your question of anybody in the "collector" auto
>>>>>>> circle. To
>>>>>>> them, anything under 50 years-old is "modern", and they will sneer
>>>>>>> at you
>>>>>>> aggressively for your impertinence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd call it something else, like a complete lack of values...no
>>>>>> wonder the world is in a recession.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is why recession/depressions occur, too much fat and leach on the
>>>>> hind, causes the economic animal to get sick. Once enough leaches are
>>>>> off the hind, the recovery can begin. The more leaches shaken off,
>>>>> the better the recovery. Far too many in sociaty BS their way with
>>>>> their corrupt values.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sort of like GMers, it is everyone elses fault but GMs. Delusional
>>>>> sickness for sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Amazing how many in this recession do not have respect for debt.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mike seems to wear it as a badge of honour. Frankly, anyone saddled
>>>> with years and years of car payments because they INSIST on always
>>>> trading in their vehicles is, IMHO, a loser.
>>>
>>> Not really. From what I have seen of your post's, you are actually just
>>> a cheap prick.
>>>
>>
>> Frugality enabled me to retire from full time work at 42 and to
>> accumulate near a million bucks in assets. Maybe YOU want to spend like a
>> crack monkey. Enjoy having to work until you are 90.
>
> Sharx35, be easy on him. Far too many like him have never been tought
> otherwise. They know not economic freedom as they were just a few points
> less on self dicipline and IQ, they pay an awful price. Plus, they make
> banking cheap for us, as banks could not buy coffee for what I pay them.
> They pay ME. They should teach personal economics in high school. Rig it
> to real life, banks and governments always win unless you get smart about
> it.
>
> But I started in debt with zero, just managed it and not it managing me.
> Got it paid off, new car or $10,000 off the mortgage goes a long way to
> achiving the financial liberty we enjoy.
>
> I tried retirement at 51 for 3 months, it sucked, I was bored. Decided to
> go back to work, new job has low hours, lots of time off. Just wish we
> could do the 4 day work week every week.... maybe my next job. But taking
> every Friday off in the summer. I made sure of that before I started.
> And maybe do Costa Rica in December.
>
>

Well, I am not fully retired. I work like a dog during tax season as an
income tax consultant. It's a bit slacker for the other 10 months. Well, a
LOT slacker.

"Mike Marlow" > wrote in message
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> "SMS" > wrote in message
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>> A 15 year old Toyota or Honda is just getting broken in. Most price
>> comparisons of Toyotas and Hondas versus Fords and Chevys leave out one
>> key factor in the equation, and that's that you'll need two of the Fords
>> or Chevys to last as long as one of the Toyotas or Hondas.
>
> Really bad bait. That bait has long passed its expiration date. Not to
> mention that it's been used so many times, all the game fish are wise to
> it.

Have a great day!


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Sharx35 wrote:

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> "Grumpy AuContraire" > wrote in message
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>> Mike Marlow wrote:
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>>> "Tegger" > wrote in message
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>>>> Just don't ask your question of anybody in the "collector" auto
>>>> circle. To
>>>> them, anything under 50 years-old is "modern", and they will sneer
>>>> at you
>>>> aggressively for your impertinence.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Antiques and Classics are a whole different story. A 17 year old
>>> Honda or Toyota is not either one of those. It's just a 17 year old
>>> car.
>>>
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>>
>> But then there are the 1st and 2nd generation Civics of which two are
>> notable...
>>
>> 1983 Civic 1500 "S" which was the forerunner of the early CRX
>>
>> and
>>
>> 1982-83 1300 Civic FE which was the forerunner of the early CRX(s)
>> that got great fuel economy.... 40+ MPG City and 55 MPG Highway in
>> actual real world tests..
>>
>> JT
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>
> Take your Honda **** to the Honda newsgroup, PLEASE.



Ahhhh, I see you reveal yourself for what you are... Uneducated,
intolerant and just a general doofus!

Congratulations!

JT

Mike Marlow wrote:

> "Grumpy AuContraire" > wrote in message
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>>Mike Marlow wrote:
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>>>"Tegger" > wrote in message
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>>>>Just don't ask your question of anybody in the "collector" auto circle.
>>>>To
>>>>them, anything under 50 years-old is "modern", and they will sneer at you
>>>>aggressively for your impertinence.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Antiques and Classics are a whole different story. A 17 year old Honda
>>>or Toyota is not either one of those. It's just a 17 year old car.
>>>
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>>
>>But then there are the 1st and 2nd generation Civics of which two are
>>notable...
>>
>>1983 Civic 1500 "S" which was the forerunner of the early CRX
>>
>>and
>>
>>1982-83 1300 Civic FE which was the forerunner of the early CRX(s) that
>>got great fuel economy.... 40+ MPG City and 55 MPG Highway in actual real
>>world tests..
>>
>>JT
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> Hi JOAT - true, they are notable, but for all but the most eccentric, they
> aren't cars that one would one would be driving at 17 years of age. Still
> goes back to the matter of them being a 17 year old car, regardless of what
> notable contribution they may have made to the annals of automotive history.



Well, we're talkin' 25 to 26 years of age here. And, the great thing is
that they are "old school," I.E., no computer, no "check engine" light
and even lack a PCV valve. Just right for an old fart like me to
maintain and repair which really doesn't happen very often.

Sometimes the latest and greatest ain't really so...

JT