Revitalized Malibu Takes on Accord and Camry

"Canuck57" > wrote in message
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> "Sharx35" > wrote in message
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>> "Tegger" > wrote in message
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>>>> "Sharx35" > wrote in message
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>>>>> Hmmm. My Camry is only ten years old so I won't be in the market for
>>>>> at least another SEVEN years. Hypothetically, though, instead of the
>>>>> 99CE 6 cyl. I have, I might go for a new, closer to the top of the
>>>>> line Camry. To me, Honda is overpriced.
>>>>
>>>> Who would want to driver around in an 17 year old car?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Me, for instance. My car is 18 years old. Bought it new, too.
>>>
>>> Just don't ask your question of anybody in the "collector" auto circle.
>>> To
>>> them, anything under 50 years-old is "modern", and they will sneer at
>>> you
>>> aggressively for your impertinence.
>>
>> I'd call it something else, like a complete lack of values...no wonder
>> the world is in a recession.
>
> That is why recession/depressions occur, too much fat and leach on the
> hind, causes the economic animal to get sick. Once enough leaches are off
> the hind, the recovery can begin. The more leaches shaken off, the better
> the recovery. Far too many in sociaty BS their way with their corrupt
> values.
>
> Sort of like GMers, it is everyone elses fault but GMs. Delusional
> sickness for sure.
>
> Amazing how many in this recession do not have respect for debt.
>

Mike seems to wear it as a badge of honour. Frankly, anyone saddled with
years and years of car payments because they INSIST on always trading in
their vehicles is, IMHO, a loser.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
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> "Sharx35" > wrote in message
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>> Two words for what YOU a ASS HOLE.
>
> That should be one word asshole, asshole.
>
> But thanks anyway. When my wife asks me later "did anyone call you an
> asshole yet today?" I can tell her that yes, they did so you will not be
> first today.
>
> Meantime, keep that car washed and waxed and out of the sun. The UV can
> dull the finish and it can go from "excellent" to only "good" in a season.
> It is years beyond "mint".
>

Good to see that you have a sense of humour, Ed. At home, the Camry is
always garaged--your point is well taken.

"Canuck57" > wrote in message
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> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
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>>> "Sharx35" > wrote:
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>>>> That TEN year old Camry only has 130,000 kilometres on
>>>> it and is in MINT condition. WHY should I get a newer vehicle?
>>>
>>
>> There is not a car in the world with that many kilometers/miles in MINT
>> condition. Learn to use the definition properly for better credibility.
>>
>> Reasons it is NOT mint:
>> Wear on the brake pedal
>> Wear on tires, wiper blades
>> Pitting on the windshield
>> Seat cover wear
>> Weather-stripping wear or compression
>> Dust in the engine compartment
>> Oil anyplace at all
>> Brake pad and rotor wear
>> Dirty mats
>>
>> And hundreds more.
>
> I think you missed Sharx35's point.
>
> For the price of one car payment or much less you can fix all of the
> above. And brakes don't need to be replaced every month. Most people
> spend far too much on autos and I too have been guilty of this, just not
> as bad as most.
>
> And if you take care of them, buy a well made one like many Honda or
> Toyota, semi-heated garage, keep the maintenance up etc., 200,000 miles
> should be easy to get. And if you do take good care of them and buy a
> good quality model right off, you will likely spend 1/2 of what others pay
> for auto. In a lifetime that adds up to a nice chunk of change.
>
>
>

With the Camry, for example, one doesn't have to trade in every 2 years to
have a dependable vehicle. With GM, Ford or Chrysler...all bets are
off....in most cases. I realize that there ARE exceptions to that comment.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
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> "Canuck57" > wrote in message
>> Mint to me means well kept, not abused, low wear and tear and well
>> maintained. Often used in the lax form, as not too many people buy them,
>> then flat bed them to a warehouse for the strict use.
>>
>
> That makes you wrong too. Talk to a collector and they will laugh at what
> you call mint. By your definition, it may be Good or even Excellent, but
> not Mint. Any visible wear takes it out of the Mint category.
>
> You can call a lump of coal a diamond, but it won't shine any brighter.
>

The point is well-taken. Back when I collected coins, MINT condition did
mean that the coin appeared to have been freshly minted, regardless of its
true age. I should have used some other word to describe my Camry. My bad.
But what word or words? Can't say "as good as new" because that isn't
precisely true. Suggestions?

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
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>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
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>>> "Canuck57" > wrote in message
>>>> Mint to me means well kept, not abused, low wear and tear and well
>>>> maintained. Often used in the lax form, as not too many people buy
>>>> them, then flat bed them to a warehouse for the strict use.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That makes you wrong too. Talk to a collector and they will laugh at
>>> what you call mint. By your definition, it may be Good or even
>>> Excellent, but not Mint. Any visible wear takes it out of the Mint
>>> category.
>>>
>>> You can call a lump of coal a diamond, but it won't shine any brighter.
>>
>> By your definition, right off the lot it looses mint status. Thus no
>> mints really exist. Tires for example rot where they sit.
>
>
> Now you're catching on. It is not my definition, some dictionary writer
> does that.
> Mint condition is often used to describe a collectible item such as a
> model figure, doll, or toy that has never been removed from its box
> (NRFB[1]), or in some cases is as good as new without any scratches or
> other damage. The term is also very widely used in record collecting and
> comic books.
>
> The mis-use of a term does not change the definition. Well kept and not
> abused cannot mean mint. It can mean excellent. I didn't make the rules,
> but I'm going to follow them so we all know what we are talking about. I
> hope others will also.
>

I think, Ed, that "well kept" might be a more accurate description of my
Camry. Again, point well taken.

"Canuck57" > wrote in message
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> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
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>> "Canuck57" > wrote in message
>>> I think you missed Sharx35's point.
>>>
>>> For the price of one car payment or much less you can fix all of the
>>> above. And brakes don't need to be replaced every month. Most people
>>> spend far too much on autos and I too have been guilty of this, just not
>>> as bad as most.
>>
>> No, I missed no point. Yes, you can fix all of the above for a car
>> payment, but the car will still not be "mint". Black, white, not even a
>> hint of gray.
>
> Mint can be used as a noun or as an adjective.
>
> Mint condition is a valid statement. Are you from the mountains in the
> south?
>

The Ozarks?

"Nate Nagel" > wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>>> If I WANTED a sports car I would NOT buy any Honda product.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Then what would you buy in the same price range as an equivalent
>>>>> Honda product?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm. My Camry is only ten years old so I won't be in the market for
>>>> at least another SEVEN years. Hypothetically, though, instead of the
>>>> 99CE 6 cyl. I have, I might go for a new, closer to the top of the
>>>> line Camry. To me, Honda is overpriced.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You haven't answered the question.
>>>
>>> The question was: What "sports car" would you buy that is within the
>>> Honda
>>> price range, but is not a Honda?
>>
>> Simple. I'm long past the mid-life crazies so I would NOT buy a sports
>> car.
>
> Some people just buy sports cars because they're typically small and
> therefore easier to handle in a city; they handle well; they're generally
> fun to drive.
>
> If I have to spend hours of my day trapped in a rolling box, I might as
> well enjoy it, rather than making it feel like a chore...
>
> nate
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Nate, I wasn't dissing sports cars for others--when I was younger I had some
sportier vehicles such as a 74 Dodge Challenger Rallye and a 65 Plymouth
Barracuda. But, that was then, this is now. Now, I like a smoother ride,
less road noise etc etc. I drool at vehicles like the Aston Martin line, for
example.

"Nate Nagel" > wrote in message
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> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> "Sharx35" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> That TEN year old Camry only has 130,000 kilometres on
>>>> it and is in MINT condition. WHY should I get a newer vehicle?
>>
>> There is not a car in the world with that many kilometers/miles in MINT
>> condition. Learn to use the definition properly for better credibility.
>>
>> Reasons it is NOT mint:
>> Wear on the brake pedal
>> Wear on tires, wiper blades
>> Pitting on the windshield
>> Seat cover wear
>> Weather-stripping wear or compression
>> Dust in the engine compartment
>> Oil anyplace at all
>> Brake pad and rotor wear
>> Dirty mats
>>
>> And hundreds more.
>
> Actually 130K is only about 80K miles; that's hardly getting broken in for
> a decent machine.
>
> nate

Indeed!

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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmm. My Camry is only ten years old so I won't be in the market for
>>>>>> at least another SEVEN years. Hypothetically, though, instead of the
>>>>>> 99CE 6 cyl. I have, I might go for a new, closer to the top of the
>>>>>> line Camry. To me, Honda is overpriced.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who would want to driver around in an 17 year old car?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Me, for instance. My car is 18 years old. Bought it new, too.
>>>>
>>>> Just don't ask your question of anybody in the "collector" auto circle.
>>>> To
>>>> them, anything under 50 years-old is "modern", and they will sneer at
>>>> you
>>>> aggressively for your impertinence.
>>>
>>> I'd call it something else, like a complete lack of values...no wonder
>>> the world is in a recession.
>>
>> That is why recession/depressions occur, too much fat and leach on the
>> hind, causes the economic animal to get sick. Once enough leaches are
>> off the hind, the recovery can begin. The more leaches shaken off, the
>> better the recovery. Far too many in sociaty BS their way with their
>> corrupt values.
>>
>> Sort of like GMers, it is everyone elses fault but GMs. Delusional
>> sickness for sure.
>>
>> Amazing how many in this recession do not have respect for debt.
>>
>
> Mike seems to wear it as a badge of honour. Frankly, anyone saddled with
> years and years of car payments because they INSIST on always trading in
> their vehicles is, IMHO, a loser.

Not really. From what I have seen of your post's, you are actually just a
cheap prick.

"Sharx35" > wrote in message
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> "Mike Marlow" > wrote in message
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>> "Tegger" > wrote in message
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>>> Just don't ask your question of anybody in the "collector" auto circle.
>>> To
>>> them, anything under 50 years-old is "modern", and they will sneer at
>>> you
>>> aggressively for your impertinence.
>>>
>>
>> Antiques and Classics are a whole different story. A 17 year old Honda
>> or Toyota is not either one of those. It's just a 17 year old car.
>
> Did I mention that I pay CASH for my cars?

It wouldn't matter if you paid in gold. A 17 year old Honda is true
garbage.