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Update (for anyone interested). Problem discovered
"Cleo Frank" > wrote in message ... > Background: 1990 Mazda Protege, very well maintained, very clean > under hood. Last night it started as usual. I drove it to the dumpster > at the edge of my property to dump some trash, stopped the car, > and cut engine. When I tried to start it back up, I got the usual > click of a dead battery; digital clock very dim etc. > > Went to NAPA today and bought topnotch battery (the same > kind that came in car when new). I did accidentally install > it backwards (neg lead to pos post and pos lead to neg post), > got some sparks, but the battery is now securely connected. > The lead clamps are pretty clean and don't appear damaged. > But no power whatever, clock dead, nothing. It WAS the main fuse (80 A). The box that contained this thing was right in front of my eyes practically the whole time, next to battery ..DUHHHHHH Car is now its usual chipper self! THANKS! > > Ideas? > |
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Update (for anyone interested). Problem discovered
"Cleo Frank" wrote: 1990 Mazda Protege
I accidentally connected my new battery backwards (neg lead to pos post and pos lead to neg post), got some sparks. It is now correctly connected, but no power whatever, clock dead, nothing. ___________________________________________ "Cleo Frank" wrote: Update (for anyone interested). Problem discovered It WAS the main fuse (80 A). The box that contained this thing was right in front of my eyes practically the whole time, next to battery ..DUHHHHHH Car is now its usual chipper self! THANKS! ____________________________________________ Those of us who post here always enjoy hearing whether our advice or opinions helped solve a problem. Thank you for taking the time to report back. Rodan. |
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New battery, car still dead as doornail
"DaveM" > wrote in message ... > > > Nope... The battery clamps are probably OK. There is a chance that the > heavy cable from battery negative to chassis (or engine), or the cable > from battery positive to the starter or starter relay is loose. Check the > connections on the other end of those wires. If they're tight and clean > (not corroded), then they are likely not the problem. > That said, there's a 99.97% chance that you've damaged the car's > electronics (computers). Your ECC (Engine Control Computer) is the guy > that controls almost everything under the hood. If he's dead, then your > car is essentially dead. > Haul or tow the car to a *qualified* service facility for a thorough > diagnosis. If it's the ECC, make sure your Master Card and/or Visa are in > good standing. Judging from your description of events, the car might be > beyond economical repair. > > -- Regarding your original problem, as others have suggested, a bad ground (-) connection at the battery or where the battery cable is bolted to the car's frame would cause the symptoms you described... intermittent non-starting, dim instruments. Or a ground fault elsewhere. Ground faults are a ******* to diagnose, they could be caused by a wire's insulation having rubbed off, a poor connection, a broken solder joint, corrosion inside a wire's insulation which can't be seen. I have worked extensively on older cars' electrical systems, and it takes some serious patience AND LOTS OF TIME generally. I'm not saying that it definitely won't be a quick fix, just mentally set yourself up for the long haul. That's why people in the know shudder when you start talking about an intermittent ground fault problem... and that's why it's generaly at least a few hundred bucks when you bring your car to an auto electric specialist. As far as hooking up the battery backwards, you can get a pretty good indication of whether it's electronics or wiring by doing some simple tests. Honk the horn. Turn on the headlights. These are generally both NOT wired through the ignition module or ECC and should work if the battery is good and the wiring is intact. If they DO work, that means any fusible link or main fuse is fine, and that your problem is most likely with your ECC or, hopefully, a fuse which controls the ECC. You can often buy salvaged ECC's from online junkyards, you need to be EXTREMELEY SPECIFIC with the model number... pull yours out and job down the exact model number. Different models and/or years of the same car have different engines or features that the ECC controls, so they are very specific to the particular year and model of vehicle. |
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New battery, car still dead as doornail
You blew the fuse links (not regular fuses), and prolly the ECM and
assorted other cotrollers. Have fun. JR Cleo Frank wrote: > Background: 1990 Mazda Protege, very well maintained, very clean > under hood. Last night it started as usual. I drove it to the dumpster > at the edge of my property to dump some trash, stopped the car, > and cut engine. When I tried to start it back up, I got the usual > click of a dead battery; digital clock very dim etc. > > Went to NAPA today and bought topnotch battery (the same > kind that came in car when new). I did accidentally install > it backwards (neg lead to pos post and pos lead to neg post), > got some sparks, but the battery is now securely connected. > The lead clamps are pretty clean and don't appear damaged. > But no power whatever, clock dead, nothing. > > Ideas? > > -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth |
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New battery, car still dead as doornail
On Jun 11, 4:19*pm, default > wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:59:56 -0400, "Cleo Frank" > > wrote: \ > >Main fuse? *This one is not in the little box with the rest of the fuses? > > Roger, not with the little bitty fuses but something much larger or > piece of wire designed to open with over current. Yep, the infamous "fusible link" looks just like any other wire BUT it's a selected length and gage (you DON'T want to replace it with any other gage of wire!). And, don't just casually replace the three inches that burned up. You gotta replace the whole eight inches, or it will die again, soon. DAMHIKT. |
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New battery, car still dead as doornail
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:00:05 -0400, "Cleo Frank" > wrote:
:Background: 1990 Mazda Protege, very well maintained, very clean :under hood. Last night it started as usual. I drove it to the dumpster :at the edge of my property to dump some trash, stopped the car, :and cut engine. When I tried to start it back up, I got the usual :click of a dead battery; digital clock very dim etc. : :Went to NAPA today and bought topnotch battery (the same :kind that came in car when new). I did accidentally install :it backwards (neg lead to pos post and pos lead to neg post), :got some sparks, but the battery is now securely connected. :The lead clamps are pretty clean and don't appear damaged. :But no power whatever, clock dead, nothing. : :Ideas? : See message #3246 (and onwards) here http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/dir.../.ee99794/3237 Bloke did something similar - he connected a battery charger in reverse. Your car is probably similarly afflicted - ie. blown 100A fuse. |
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New battery, car still dead as doornail
Cleo Frank wrote:
> > Background: 1990 Mazda Protege, very well maintained, very clean > under hood. Last night it started as usual. I drove it to the dumpster > at the edge of my property to dump some trash, stopped the car, > and cut engine. When I tried to start it back up, I got the usual > click of a dead battery; digital clock very dim etc. > > Went to NAPA today and bought topnotch battery (the same > kind that came in car when new). I did accidentally install > it backwards (neg lead to pos post and pos lead to neg post), > got some sparks, but the battery is now securely connected. > The lead clamps are pretty clean and don't appear damaged. > But no power whatever, clock dead, nothing. > > Ideas? Blown fusible link. -- Paul Hovnanian ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Have gnu, will travel. |
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New battery, car still dead as doornail
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