2008 Honda Civic Ex Maintenance Schedule

Polfus wrote:
>
> "Seth" > wrote
>
>> "Polfus" <nostringscouldsecureyou@thestation> wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Seth" > wrote
>>>
>>>>> Just wanted to say I found info that the shelf life of even
>>>>> conventional motor oil is 3 years.
>>>>
>>>> Shelf life value has no meaning when it's in the car. "Shelf Life"
>>>> = on the shelf, in a sealed container with no contaminants. Once
>>>> it's in your motor, it no longer fits that criteria.
>>>
>>> Understood, and agreed.
>>>
>>> I said in another reply, but will again here, for the sake of debate:
>>>
>>> If I get a brand new car with fresh oil, park it for a year and don't
>>> drive it other than to start it and roll it around the neighborhood,
>>> with less that 25 miles total on it after 1 year...does what you said
>>> still apply fully?
>>
>>
>> Once you pop the top, it's not fresh oil. Put it in an engine, it's
>> definitely not fresh.
>>
>> "Hey, that tuna fish that says refrigerate after opening, even if I
>> only open it for a second and take out 1 forkful"???
>
> LOL!
>
> I hear you....that was awesome, btw.
>
> Peace,
> Polfus
>

hump #13

Polfus wrote:
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> "Seth" > wrote
>
>>> Just wanted to say I found info that the shelf life of even
>>> conventional motor oil is 3 years.
>>
>> Shelf life value has no meaning when it's in the car. "Shelf Life" =
>> on the shelf, in a sealed container with no contaminants. Once it's
>> in your motor, it no longer fits that criteria.
>
> Understood, and agreed.
>
> I said in another reply, but will again here, for the sake of debate:
>
> If I get a brand new car with fresh oil, park it for a year and don't
> drive it other than to start it and roll it around the neighborhood,
> with less that 25 miles total on it after 1 year...does what you said
> still apply fully?
>
> Peace,
> Polfus

hump #14

Polfus wrote:
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> "Seth" > wrote
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>> It's not fresh once you open it and put it in an engine.
>
> Gotcha.
>
>> It still has contimants in it. Under those circumstances, might it be
>> good for 1.5 yrs instead of 1, probably. But now you're describing an
>> owners manual 1000 pages long while it lists out every possible
>> scenario rather than the most likely that will be economical for all.
>
> Heh..well put.
>
>> MM is for the lowest common denominator and won't have a way to
>> differentiate. Honda's have no DINO/SYNTH" switch under the hood.
>
> Not a bad idea, really...
>
>> How dirty it is, would require taking a sample and sending it for
>> analysis. I'd rather spend the $15 or whatever changing it than $40
>> for the analysis.
>
> LOL!
>
>> Yeah, but now I think you are looking for extremes.
>
> Oh sure, admittedly so.
>
>> But it's almost always going to be good enough for the masses.
>
> Agreed.
>
> And post when you hit 200k, will 'ya?
>
> Peace,
> Polfus
>
>
hump #15

"Seth" > wrote
> "Elle" > wrote
>> "Seth" > wrote
>>> My '01 V6, a tad over 7k per change. But I'm a high
>>> mileage driver. My commute, 3 times a week, is 77 miles
>>> each way, very much of it 60+ mph highway.
>>
>> Now the question to me is whether a 2008 Maintenance
>> Minder would recommend significantly different mileages
>> between oil changes for city driving vs. highway driving.
>>
>> What again are the inputs to the "oil change reminder" on
>> your 2001?
>
> Not sure what you mean.

Does the 2001's oil change reminder system just monitor
miles between the oil changes? Or does it look at oil temps,
engine rpm, or something else?

"Polfus" <nostringscouldsecureyou@thestation> wrote
About "professionals" who compromise to save or to make
money
> Goddamn corrupt bureaucracy sucks ass, and we both know
> it.

I think it's the people (all of us) who tolerate mediocrity
to save a buck that is bad.

> How much does the thing cost, by the way..any idea as to
> what it marks a car up, generally?

No idea. You're as handy with google as I.

>> Your tradeoffs are in the same vein.
>
> Its hard getting 12, isn't it?

No. I have a background in this sort of thing. Being old and
so seeing how "X was chosen instead of Y, even though X
offers these advantages. But Y offers these." Life is not
black and white. Real engineering is not black and white.
Countless tradeoffs in every car design.

>> Evidently BMW and Mercedes do have an oil chemistry
>> monitor built into their cars, as Tegger noted recently
>> and as I just confirmed.
>
> !!!!!

Yes, I saw your links on the Mercedes system. Those will
help the archives of this newsgroup, AFAIC.

> TEST THE DAMN OIL ITSELF...its the ONLY accurate
> method!!!!!

You have two reports on Mercedes' system. One is
http://www.lubereport.com/e_article000146166.cfm, and the
other cites an Q and A from an online forum (I guess). They
contradict each other, with one saying oil chemistry is
monitored to some extent and the other saying not, so I am
not sure what exactly the truth is.

snipping lots, because with all due respect, the newsgroup
needs to be dedicated to everyday problems car owners are
having.

"Elle" > wrote in message
...
> "Seth" > wrote
>> "Elle" > wrote
>>> "Seth" > wrote
>>>> My '01 V6, a tad over 7k per change. But I'm a high mileage driver.
>>>> My commute, 3 times a week, is 77 miles each way, very much of it 60+
>>>> mph highway.
>>>
>>> Now the question to me is whether a 2008 Maintenance Minder would
>>> recommend significantly different mileages between oil changes for city
>>> driving vs. highway driving.
>>>
>>> What again are the inputs to the "oil change reminder" on your 2001?
>>
>> Not sure what you mean.
>
> Does the 2001's oil change reminder system just monitor miles between the
> oil changes? Or does it look at oil temps, engine rpm, or something else?

Don't know.

But my guess, due to how many miles it goes between indications and the type
of driving that I do, is that it does monitor those things. If it didn't,
and I were say doing lots of short trips (severe driving), 7k between
changes would probably be too long an interval.

"Seth" > wrote in message
...
> "Elle" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Seth" > wrote
>>> "Elle" > wrote
>>>> "Seth" > wrote
>>>>> My '01 V6, a tad over 7k per change. But I'm a high mileage driver.
>>>>> My commute, 3 times a week, is 77 miles each way, very much of it 60+
>>>>> mph highway.
>>>>
>>>> Now the question to me is whether a 2008 Maintenance Minder would
>>>> recommend significantly different mileages between oil changes for city
>>>> driving vs. highway driving.
>>>>
>>>> What again are the inputs to the "oil change reminder" on your 2001?
>>>
>>> Not sure what you mean.
>>
>> Does the 2001's oil change reminder system just monitor miles between the
>> oil changes? Or does it look at oil temps, engine rpm, or something else?
>
> Don't know.
>
> But my guess, due to how many miles it goes between indications and the
> type of driving that I do, is that it does monitor those things. If it
> didn't, and I were say doing lots of short trips (severe driving), 7k
> between changes would probably be too long an interval.

Scratch that... Elmo is correct according to page 60 of my owners manual.

0-6000 miles, light off
6000-7500 miles, flash for 10 seconds on startup indicating you are due for
service
7500+ miles, remain lit constant (do it now!)

So, if one does "severe" driving, they are best to NOT use the maint light
as an indicator as to when to change the oil as that interval is much
shorter.

In looking real close, I found a printing error in the manual. The "edge"
writing on the page for normal driving (224) is marked "Maintenance Schedule
for Severe Conditions", the same as on page 226 which is indeed the severe
schedule page.

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article >,
> "Polfus" <nostringscouldsecureyou@thestation> wrote:
>
>>> If I can do that, why would I spend $XXX more to put in the oil
>>> chemistry monitor?
>> I don't know Elmo....why does anyone put more money into an air filter, or
>> or rims, or GPS equipment in their car?
>
> Because they want to.
>
> But I was asking the question from the standpoint of the Honda engineer.
> ROI is nil on spending the bucks to add an oil chemistry monitor.
>
> BMW has one; that's fine. The cost of that was evaluated against the
> fact that BMW pays for four years of routine maintenance on their cars.
> It made financial sense to them.
>

they don't have a chemistry monitor [polfus is mistaken] - they [some,
not all] have a spark spectrometer, a comparatively simple device
similar to that used for rudimentary routine oil analysis for fleet
maintenance. as you say, it makes financial sense for bmw for the
reasons you state, and also because they are looking to take the car to
the absolute limit of lubricant life. [and that in itself is another
story.]

btw, are we done with this thread yet? i'm getting bored with wading
through all this childish b.s.

On Feb 6, 10:17 pm, jim beam > wrote:

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> btw, are we done with this thread yet?
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Done?
I'm still waiting from someone to upbraid Honda for omitting an oil
pressure measure from the MM.

Polfus wrote:
>
> "jim beam" > wrote
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>>> BMW has one; that's fine. The cost of that was evaluated against the
>>> fact that BMW pays for four years of routine maintenance on their
>>> cars. It made financial sense to them.
>>>
>>
>> they don't have a chemistry monitor [polfus is mistaken] -
>
> Wrong again, loser..."Polfus" never said a word about BMW.
>
> Not one single word about BMW.
>
> Therefore, this shows that you are unable to read with comprehension.
>
>> btw, are we done with this thread yet? i'm getting bored with wading
>> through all this childish b.s.
>
> Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
>


how old are you, post humper?