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#61
October 24th 07, 01:25 PM
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NASTY Lil' Cobra Being Twin Screwed
Michael Johnson > wrote in
: > Joe wrote: >> Michael Johnson > wrote in >> : >> >>> Joe wrote: >>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in >>>> : >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On Oct 21, 11:26 am, Michael Johnson > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, >> N/A >>>>>>>>>>> 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. >>>>>>>>>> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell >>>>>>>>>> like crazy! >>>>>>>>> That's like putting mustard on ice cream. >>>>>>>> I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the >> somewhat >>>>>>>> brand loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or most >> likely >>>>>>>> displaced, secretary with several kids and friends, football >>>>>>>> practices and games, and the odd weekend project, I think it >> would >>>>>>>> do quite well. >>>>>>> I have a feeling that the number of new buyers they get from a >> four >>>>>>> door Mustang would be offset by the number of Mustang >>>>>>> enthusiasts they would lose. IMO, some things just aren't meant >>>>>>> to be, like a four door Mustang. >>>>>> Mike, >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't know why you would assume a 4-door Mustang or a Mustang >> wagon >>>>>> would drive buyers of the 2-door variety away. I don't think it >>>>>> would. >>>>>> >>>>>> Or am I crazy to think buyers can easily be fooled with some >>>>>> different trim and a name change -- i.e Firebird/Camaro and >>>>>> Cougar/Mustang, >>>>>> >>>>>> Patrick >>>>>> (Love to have a Mustang mini-wagon/some thing like the old BMW M- >>>>>> coupe.) >>>>> I'm all for Ford putting out a performance wagon. Just don't >>>>> *******ize the Mustang to do it. It would only take away from the >>>>> Mustang's heritage, IMO. >>>> I think the Mustang would survive with its heritage intact. Even >> after >>>> the Mustang II era, it's going as strong as ever. >>> I wouldn't risk it if I were Ford. Bone head moves have a way of >>> getting blown out of proportion and I would consider a four door >> Mustang >>> a bone head move. >> >> Michael, I basically agree with you. But I can definitely see a slot >> for a Ford 4-door vehicle to go head to head with the Charger, >> Magnum, 300, and the up-and-coming G8. If you don't want to call it >> a Mustang, that's great. Call it something else. I really don't >> care what it's called. > > I have no issue with Ford using the Mustang chassis for other > vehicles. > Just don't leech off the Mustang for styling cues and name > recognition. Why not? Leeching off the Mustang would probably be better for overall sales. That said, the Mustang GT is the Mustang GT regardless of what other variants might exist. It won't change simply because a variant might exist. >>> Do you like the idea of a four door Camaro, Corvette, >> >> I haven't seen a contemporary 2-door Camaro yet, so I'll reserve >> judgement on that. The CTS-V is a 4-door Corvette, whether you like >> it or not.  > > But it also isn't marketed as a Corvette variant. Because it's not a Chevy. But underneath it's a helluva lot of Corvette. >>> Miata, Porsche, etc.? I can't believe you would. Would you? >>> <waiting nervously for an answer> >> >> The Cayenne is arguably a 4-door performance Porsche. Let's also >> take a look at MB, BMW, Audi, Acura, etc. They all have 4-door >> performance vehicles that will kick major ass. >> >> As for the Miata, well, that's a weenie car with RWD. Stuff a 350hp >> V8 in it and that's another story... > > Did I get an answer?  I'm for performance vehicles, regardless of how many doors they have or what style they are. So, in answer to your question, if a Mustang or Camaro (or anything else) with 4 doors were made that performed on par with their 2-door counterparts, then yes I am for it. The more performance available for consumers, the better. 
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#62
October 24th 07, 01:27 PM
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NASTY Lil' Cobra Being Twin Screwed
"John" > wrote in
: > "Joe" > wrote in message > ... >> Michael Johnson > wrote in >> : >> >> >> I haven't seen a contemporary 2-door Camaro yet, so I'll reserve >> judgement on that. The CTS-V is a 4-door Corvette, whether you like it >> or not. >> > > Rent the Transformers DVD. It's in there. I've seen virtual ones and pictures, but not a real one (except a concept at a car show).
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#63
October 24th 07, 01:28 PM
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NASTY Lil' Cobra Being Twin Screwed
"My Name Is Nobody" > wrote in news:GHATi.13214$na2.3220
@trndny08: > > "Joe" > wrote in message > ... >> Michael Johnson > wrote in >> : >> >>> Joe wrote: >>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in >>>> : >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On Oct 21, 11:26 am, Michael Johnson > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, >> N/A >>>>>>>>>>> 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. >>>>>>>>>> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell >>>>>>>>>> like crazy! >>>>>>>>> That's like putting mustard on ice cream. >>>>>>>> I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the >> somewhat >>>>>>>> brand loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or most >> likely >>>>>>>> displaced, secretary with several kids and friends, football >>>>>>>> practices and games, and the odd weekend project, I think it >> would >>>>>>>> do quite well. >>>>>>> I have a feeling that the number of new buyers they get from a >> four >>>>>>> door Mustang would be offset by the number of Mustang enthusiasts >>>>>>> they would lose. IMO, some things just aren't meant to be, like a >>>>>>> four door Mustang. >>>>>> Mike, >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't know why you would assume a 4-door Mustang or a Mustang >> wagon >>>>>> would drive buyers of the 2-door variety away. I don't think it >>>>>> would. >>>>>> >>>>>> Or am I crazy to think buyers can easily be fooled with some >>>>>> different trim and a name change -- i.e Firebird/Camaro and >>>>>> Cougar/Mustang, >>>>>> >>>>>> Patrick >>>>>> (Love to have a Mustang mini-wagon/some thing like the old BMW M- >>>>>> coupe.) >>>>> I'm all for Ford putting out a performance wagon. Just don't >>>>> *******ize the Mustang to do it. It would only take away from the >>>>> Mustang's heritage, IMO. >>>> >>>> I think the Mustang would survive with its heritage intact. Even >> after >>>> the Mustang II era, it's going as strong as ever. >>> >>> I wouldn't risk it if I were Ford. Bone head moves have a way of >>> getting blown out of proportion and I would consider a four door >> Mustang >>> a bone head move. >> >> Michael, I basically agree with you. But I can definitely see a slot >> for a Ford 4-door vehicle to go head to head with the Charger, Magnum, >> 300, and the up-and-coming G8. If you don't want to call it a Mustang, >> that's great. Call it something else. I really don't care what it's >> called. >> >>> Do you like the idea of a four door Camaro, Corvette, >> >> I haven't seen a contemporary 2-door Camaro yet, so I'll reserve >> judgement on that. The CTS-V is a 4-door Corvette, whether you like it >> or not. > > BUT IT IS NOT NAMED CORVETTE, that is the whole point... Nonsense. I personally don't care what it's called. If it's a performance vehicle, it's good. Simple concept to understand.
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#65
October 24th 07, 01:33 PM
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NASTY Lil' Cobra Being Twin Screwed
"My Name Is Nobody" > wrote in news:WKATi.3777$hG2.3224
@trndny05: > > "Joe" > wrote in message > ... >> Michael Johnson > wrote in >> : >> >>> wrote: >>>> On Oct 22, 8:14 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote: >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On Oct 21, 11:26 am, Michael Johnson > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, >>>>>>>>>>> N/A 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. >>>>>>>>>> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell >>>>>>>>>> like crazy! >>>>>>>>> That's like putting mustard on ice cream. >>>>>>>> I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the >>>>>>>> somewhat brand loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or >>>>>>>> most likely displaced, secretary with several kids and friends, >>>>>>>> football practices and games, and the odd weekend project, I >>>>>>>> think it would do quite well. >>>>>>> I have a feeling that the number of new buyers they get from a >>>>>>> four door Mustang would be offset by the number of Mustang >>>>>>> enthusiasts they would lose. IMO, some things just aren't meant >>>>>>> to be, like a four door Mustang. >>>>>> Mike, >>>>>> I don't know why you would assume a 4-door Mustang or a Mustang >>>>>> wagon would drive buyers of the 2-door variety away. I don't think >>>>>> it would. >>>>>> Or am I crazy to think buyers can easily be fooled with some >>>>>> different trim and a name change -- i.e Firebird/Camaro and >>>>>> Cougar/Mustang, Patrick >>>>>> (Love to have a Mustang mini-wagon/some thing like the old BMW M- >>>>>> coupe.) >>>> >>>>> I'm all for Ford putting out a performance wagon. Just don't >>>>> *******ize the Mustang to do it. It would only take away from the >>>>> Mustang's heritage, IMO. >>>> >>>> So, simply stretch out a Mustang platform and body, change out the >>>> grill/some trim, slap on a Falcon name and it's golden? >>> >>> The Mustang platform has not always been exclusive and it wouldn't >>> bother me if they used it as the basis for a wagon. Just don't make >>> it look like a stretched Mustang with two extra doors. The Mustang is >>> a pony car and it should stay that way, IMO. >> >> Now that you mention it, the whole Fox line back in the '80s had your 4- >> door and wagon Mustangs. They were called LTDs and Fairmonts. What's >> in a name? > > Everything, DOH! That's pretty shallow. DOH!
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#66
October 24th 07, 01:35 PM
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NASTY Lil' Cobra Being Twin Screwed
Michael Johnson > wrote in
: > My Name Is Nobody wrote: >> > wrote in message >> oups.com... >>> On Oct 22, 8:40 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote: >>> >>>>> I also think the 2-door model was an excellent idea but just had >>>>> poor execution. 2-seaters are supposed to be sporty and Ford's >>>>> last generation T-bird, at nearly 4,000 scale-busting pounds, >>>>> didn't have a chance. But if they could have gotten that Thunder >>>>> [thighs] Bird down to around 3,200, given it a slightly more >>>>> aggressive stance/look, installed some real thunder under the hood >>>>> and given it a competitive price, I think Ford would have found a >>>>> nice sales niche. >>>> The reason I think it was a bad idea is they greatly narrowed the >>>> car's target market. Ford took the original car from a two seater >>>> to a four seater with great success. Had they not done that it >>>> would likely have been discontinued. Why they thought going back >>>> to two seats would mean more sales is beyond me. >>> So Ford should forever concede the American 2-seat market to the >>> Corvette? >> >> That is an entirely different topic and market than the Thunderbird >> ever was... >> >> Besides the latest 2 seat T-bird was not in the same room let alone >> group as the Corvette and Viper. > > By comparison, it was a pansy ass. I would rather have a Miata than > that T-Bird. <rowlf> Wow. >> <Cough>Ford GT<cough> >> >> >>> <Cough>Viper<cough> >>> >>>> IMO, the only thing wrong with the last generation four seat T-Bird >>>> was its weight. Had they trimmed 300-400 pounds out of the car it >>>> would have been a terrific performer. As I said earlier, that car >>>> had RWD, IRS, a solid performing V-8, good styling, nice interior, >>>> relatively good performance etc. Ford needs a car with those >>>> traits in the worst way. >>> I agree. And I would like to think so. The problem is they ALWAYS >>> load these "personal coupes" down with tons of options and BS and >>> they ALWAYS become bloated behemoths. Then any chance of them to >>> be sporting is lost. Why they can't take a lightweight platform, >>> add a trimmed-down stylish body, keep the interior mostly manually >>> operated but very functional, give the steering nice feel, bolt on a >>> set of killer brakes, and fit a potent motor between the frame rails >>> is beyond me. >>> >>> Patrick >>> >> >> >
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#67
October 24th 07, 01:42 PM
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NASTY Lil' Cobra Being Twin Screwed
"My Name Is Nobody" > wrote in
news:LEATi.801$qo2.19@trndny06: > > "John" > wrote in message > . .. >> "WindsorFox" > wrote in message >> ... >>> Michael Johnson wrote: >>>> WindsorFox wrote: >>>>> Michael Johnson wrote: >>>>>> John wrote: >>>>>>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>> John wrote: >>>>>>>>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message >>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, >>>>>>>>>> N/A 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. >>>>>>>>> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell >>>>>>>>> like crazy! >>>>>>>> That's like putting mustard on ice cream. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yuck! Being the ice cream connoisseur that I was, pre-diabetic >>>>>>> now in my 50's, that was like a pan of cold water. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sometimes a slap to the face is needed. >>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the >>>>>>> somewhat brand loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or >>>>>>> most likely displaced, secretary with several kids and friends, >>>>>>> football practices and games, and the odd weekend project, I >>>>>>> think it would do quite well. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a feeling that the number of new buyers they get from a >>>>>> four door Mustang would be offset by the number of Mustang >>>>>> enthusiasts they would lose. IMO, some things just aren't meant >>>>>> to be, like a four door Mustang. Any more than two doors and it >>>>>> ceases to be a Mustang. Besides there are plenty of fine and >>>>>> capable four door sedans to choose from that are already in the >>>>>> showrooms. >>>>> >>>>> So you're thinking that if they came out with a second >>>>> different >>>>> model that has four doors, some loyal Mustang owners would sell >>>>> and or never buy another Mustang again even with the two door >>>>> still in production?? >>>> >>>> Selling a Mom and Pop four door Mustang diminishes the car's >>>> mystic, reputation, heritage etc. It would also show Ford is so >>>> desperate to sell vehicles that they will jeopardize one of their >>>> best selling, most long term success models to do it. It would be >>>> a very bad business decision, IMO. >>> >>> >>> Well, I'm not positive I agree with that, but they could always >>> call >>> it a Falcon. >> >> Over the years, couldn't you get the Falcon in a coupe, sedan, >> station wagon, and a ranchero (or was that a pre-ranchero)? I don't >> think I ever saw a convertible though. > > > 1964 Falcon Convertible > http://www.petesretros.com/Ford_Falcon_For%20Sale.html And also: http://www.seriouswheels.com/1960-19...ible-White.htm Here's the pickup: http://www.lemonfree.com/8523003.html
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#68
October 24th 07, 05:05 PM
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NASTY Lil' Cobra Being Twin Screwed
Joe wrote:
> Michael Johnson > wrote in > : > >> My Name Is Nobody wrote: >>> > wrote in message >>> oups.com... >>>> On Oct 22, 8:40 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote: >>>> >>>>>> I also think the 2-door model was an excellent idea but just had >>>>>> poor execution. 2-seaters are supposed to be sporty and Ford's >>>>>> last generation T-bird, at nearly 4,000 scale-busting pounds, >>>>>> didn't have a chance. But if they could have gotten that Thunder >>>>>> [thighs] Bird down to around 3,200, given it a slightly more >>>>>> aggressive stance/look, installed some real thunder under the hood >>>>>> and given it a competitive price, I think Ford would have found a >>>>>> nice sales niche. >>>>> The reason I think it was a bad idea is they greatly narrowed the >>>>> car's target market. Ford took the original car from a two seater >>>>> to a four seater with great success. Had they not done that it >>>>> would likely have been discontinued. Why they thought going back >>>>> to two seats would mean more sales is beyond me. >>>> So Ford should forever concede the American 2-seat market to the >>>> Corvette? >>> That is an entirely different topic and market than the Thunderbird >>> ever was... >>> >>> Besides the latest 2 seat T-bird was not in the same room let alone >>> group as the Corvette and Viper. >> By comparison, it was a pansy ass. I would rather have a Miata than >> that T-Bird. > > <rowlf> > > Wow. Well, I would. I can install a 302 into a Miata or get a Kenne Bell twin screw blower and turn it into a Viper killer. Plus, it is light as a feather and handles like it is on rails. I always looked at the last T-Bird as a chick car and it had hardly any testosterone in it. >>> <Cough>Ford GT<cough> >>> >>> >>>> <Cough>Viper<cough> >>>> >>>>> IMO, the only thing wrong with the last generation four seat T-Bird >>>>> was its weight. Had they trimmed 300-400 pounds out of the car it >>>>> would have been a terrific performer. As I said earlier, that car >>>>> had RWD, IRS, a solid performing V-8, good styling, nice interior, >>>>> relatively good performance etc. Ford needs a car with those >>>>> traits in the worst way. >>>> I agree. And I would like to think so. The problem is they ALWAYS >>>> load these "personal coupes" down with tons of options and BS and >>>> they ALWAYS become bloated behemoths. Then any chance of them to >>>> be sporting is lost. Why they can't take a lightweight platform, >>>> add a trimmed-down stylish body, keep the interior mostly manually >>>> operated but very functional, give the steering nice feel, bolt on a >>>> set of killer brakes, and fit a potent motor between the frame rails >>>> is beyond me. >>>> >>>> Patrick >>>> >>> >
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October 24th 07, 05:13 PM
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NASTY Lil' Cobra Being Twin Screwed
Joe wrote:
> Michael Johnson > wrote in > : > >> Joe wrote: >>> Michael Johnson > wrote in >>> : >>> >>>> Joe wrote: >>>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in >>>>> : >>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> On Oct 21, 11:26 am, Michael Johnson > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, >>> N/A >>>>>>>>>>>> 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. >>>>>>>>>>> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell >>>>>>>>>>> like crazy! >>>>>>>>>> That's like putting mustard on ice cream. >>>>>>>>> I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the >>> somewhat >>>>>>>>> brand loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or most >>> likely >>>>>>>>> displaced, secretary with several kids and friends, football >>>>>>>>> practices and games, and the odd weekend project, I think it >>> would >>>>>>>>> do quite well. >>>>>>>> I have a feeling that the number of new buyers they get from a >>> four >>>>>>>> door Mustang would be offset by the number of Mustang >>>>>>>> enthusiasts they would lose. IMO, some things just aren't meant >>>>>>>> to be, like a four door Mustang. >>>>>>> Mike, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't know why you would assume a 4-door Mustang or a Mustang >>> wagon >>>>>>> would drive buyers of the 2-door variety away. I don't think it >>>>>>> would. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Or am I crazy to think buyers can easily be fooled with some >>>>>>> different trim and a name change -- i.e Firebird/Camaro and >>>>>>> Cougar/Mustang, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Patrick >>>>>>> (Love to have a Mustang mini-wagon/some thing like the old BMW M- >>>>>>> coupe.) >>>>>> I'm all for Ford putting out a performance wagon. Just don't >>>>>> *******ize the Mustang to do it. It would only take away from the >>>>>> Mustang's heritage, IMO. >>>>> I think the Mustang would survive with its heritage intact. Even >>> after >>>>> the Mustang II era, it's going as strong as ever. >>>> I wouldn't risk it if I were Ford. Bone head moves have a way of >>>> getting blown out of proportion and I would consider a four door >>> Mustang >>>> a bone head move. >>> Michael, I basically agree with you. But I can definitely see a slot >>> for a Ford 4-door vehicle to go head to head with the Charger, >>> Magnum, 300, and the up-and-coming G8. If you don't want to call it >>> a Mustang, that's great. Call it something else. I really don't >>> care what it's called. >> I have no issue with Ford using the Mustang chassis for other >> vehicles. >> Just don't leech off the Mustang for styling cues and name >> recognition. > > Why not? Leeching off the Mustang would probably be better for overall > sales. That said, the Mustang GT is the Mustang GT regardless of what > other variants might exist. It won't change simply because a variant > might exist. IMO, and by definition, a Mustang is not a four door sedan and/or wagon. Proposing a Mustang sedan is just as wrong as proposing a Corvette sedan. The whole idea is as repulsive as me having to French kiss a 90 year old man. >>>> Do you like the idea of a four door Camaro, Corvette, >>> I haven't seen a contemporary 2-door Camaro yet, so I'll reserve >>> judgement on that. The CTS-V is a 4-door Corvette, whether you like >>> it or not. >> But it also isn't marketed as a Corvette variant. > > Because it's not a Chevy. But underneath it's a helluva lot of > Corvette. ..... and I am just fine with that. >>>> Miata, Porsche, etc.? I can't believe you would. Would you? >>>> <waiting nervously for an answer> >>> The Cayenne is arguably a 4-door performance Porsche. Let's also >>> take a look at MB, BMW, Audi, Acura, etc. They all have 4-door >>> performance vehicles that will kick major ass. >>> >>> As for the Miata, well, that's a weenie car with RWD. Stuff a 350hp >>> V8 in it and that's another story... >> Did I get an answer? > > I'm for performance vehicles, regardless of how many doors they have or > what style they are. So, in answer to your question, if a Mustang or > Camaro (or anything else) with 4 doors were made that performed on par > with their 2-door counterparts, then yes I am for it. The more > performance available for consumers, the better. Well to quote Jim Croce, "You don't tug on Superman's cape, you don't spit into the wind, you don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger and you don't mess around with Jim OR OFFER A FOUR DOOR MUSTANG WAGON!!!" I believe that would be his position if he were here posting in this thread.
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October 24th 07, 09:51 PM
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NASTY Lil' Cobra Being Twin Screwed
Michael Johnson > wrote in news:U5Cdnc8Wgp6-
: > Joe wrote: >> Michael Johnson > wrote in >> : >> >>> Joe wrote: >>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in >>>> : >>>> >>>>> Joe wrote: >>>>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in >>>>>> : >>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 11:26 am, Michael Johnson > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, >>>> N/A >>>>>>>>>>>>> 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. >>>>>>>>>>>> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell >>>>>>>>>>>> like crazy! >>>>>>>>>>> That's like putting mustard on ice cream. >>>>>>>>>> I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the >>>> somewhat >>>>>>>>>> brand loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or most >>>> likely >>>>>>>>>> displaced, secretary with several kids and friends, football >>>>>>>>>> practices and games, and the odd weekend project, I think it >>>> would >>>>>>>>>> do quite well. >>>>>>>>> I have a feeling that the number of new buyers they get from a >>>> four >>>>>>>>> door Mustang would be offset by the number of Mustang >>>>>>>>> enthusiasts they would lose. IMO, some things just aren't meant >>>>>>>>> to be, like a four door Mustang. >>>>>>>> Mike, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't know why you would assume a 4-door Mustang or a Mustang >>>> wagon >>>>>>>> would drive buyers of the 2-door variety away. I don't think it >>>>>>>> would. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Or am I crazy to think buyers can easily be fooled with some >>>>>>>> different trim and a name change -- i.e Firebird/Camaro and >>>>>>>> Cougar/Mustang, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Patrick >>>>>>>> (Love to have a Mustang mini-wagon/some thing like the old BMW M- >>>>>>>> coupe.) >>>>>>> I'm all for Ford putting out a performance wagon. Just don't >>>>>>> *******ize the Mustang to do it. It would only take away from the >>>>>>> Mustang's heritage, IMO. >>>>>> I think the Mustang would survive with its heritage intact. Even >>>> after >>>>>> the Mustang II era, it's going as strong as ever. >>>>> I wouldn't risk it if I were Ford. Bone head moves have a way of >>>>> getting blown out of proportion and I would consider a four door >>>> Mustang >>>>> a bone head move. >>>> Michael, I basically agree with you. But I can definitely see a slot >>>> for a Ford 4-door vehicle to go head to head with the Charger, >>>> Magnum, 300, and the up-and-coming G8. If you don't want to call it >>>> a Mustang, that's great. Call it something else. I really don't >>>> care what it's called. >>> I have no issue with Ford using the Mustang chassis for other >>> vehicles. >>> Just don't leech off the Mustang for styling cues and name >>> recognition. >> >> Why not? Leeching off the Mustang would probably be better for overall >> sales. That said, the Mustang GT is the Mustang GT regardless of what >> other variants might exist. It won't change simply because a variant >> might exist. > > IMO, and by definition, a Mustang is not a four door sedan and/or wagon. > Proposing a Mustang sedan is just as wrong as proposing a Corvette > sedan. The whole idea is as repulsive as me having to French kiss a 90 > year old man. > >>>>> Do you like the idea of a four door Camaro, Corvette, >>>> I haven't seen a contemporary 2-door Camaro yet, so I'll reserve >>>> judgement on that. The CTS-V is a 4-door Corvette, whether you like >>>> it or not. >>> But it also isn't marketed as a Corvette variant. >> >> Because it's not a Chevy. But underneath it's a helluva lot of >> Corvette. > > .... and I am just fine with that. > >>>>> Miata, Porsche, etc.? I can't believe you would. Would you? >>>>> <waiting nervously for an answer> >>>> The Cayenne is arguably a 4-door performance Porsche. Let's also >>>> take a look at MB, BMW, Audi, Acura, etc. They all have 4-door >>>> performance vehicles that will kick major ass. >>>> >>>> As for the Miata, well, that's a weenie car with RWD. Stuff a 350hp >>>> V8 in it and that's another story... >>> Did I get an answer? >> >> I'm for performance vehicles, regardless of how many doors they have or >> what style they are. So, in answer to your question, if a Mustang or >> Camaro (or anything else) with 4 doors were made that performed on par >> with their 2-door counterparts, then yes I am for it. The more >> performance available for consumers, the better. > > Well to quote Jim Croce, "You don't tug on Superman's cape, you don't > spit into the wind, you don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger and > you don't mess around with Jim OR OFFER A FOUR DOOR MUSTANG WAGON!!!" I > believe that would be his position if he were here posting in this > thread. To quote Joe Pesci, "I think I get the point."
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