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NASTY Lil' Cobra Being Twin Screwed
Joe wrote:
> Michael Johnson > wrote in > : > >> Joe wrote: >>> Michael Johnson > wrote in >>> : >>> >>>> wrote: >>>>> On Oct 21, 11:26 am, Michael Johnson > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, > N/A >>>>>>>>>> 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. >>>>>>>>> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell >>>>>>>>> like crazy! >>>>>>>> That's like putting mustard on ice cream. >>>>>>> I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the > somewhat >>>>>>> brand loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or most > likely >>>>>>> displaced, secretary with several kids and friends, football >>>>>>> practices and games, and the odd weekend project, I think it > would >>>>>>> do quite well. >>>>>> I have a feeling that the number of new buyers they get from a > four >>>>>> door Mustang would be offset by the number of Mustang enthusiasts >>>>>> they would lose. IMO, some things just aren't meant to be, like a >>>>>> four door Mustang. >>>>> Mike, >>>>> >>>>> I don't know why you would assume a 4-door Mustang or a Mustang > wagon >>>>> would drive buyers of the 2-door variety away. I don't think it >>>>> would. >>>>> >>>>> Or am I crazy to think buyers can easily be fooled with some >>>>> different trim and a name change -- i.e Firebird/Camaro and >>>>> Cougar/Mustang, >>>>> >>>>> Patrick >>>>> (Love to have a Mustang mini-wagon/some thing like the old BMW M- >>>>> coupe.) >>>> I'm all for Ford putting out a performance wagon. Just don't >>>> *******ize the Mustang to do it. It would only take away from the >>>> Mustang's heritage, IMO. >>> I think the Mustang would survive with its heritage intact. Even > after >>> the Mustang II era, it's going as strong as ever. >> I wouldn't risk it if I were Ford. Bone head moves have a way of >> getting blown out of proportion and I would consider a four door > Mustang >> a bone head move. > > Michael, I basically agree with you. But I can definitely see a slot > for a Ford 4-door vehicle to go head to head with the Charger, Magnum, > 300, and the up-and-coming G8. If you don't want to call it a Mustang, > that's great. Call it something else. I really don't care what it's > called. I have no issue with Ford using the Mustang chassis for other vehicles. Just don't leech off the Mustang for styling cues and name recognition. >> Do you like the idea of a four door Camaro, Corvette, > > I haven't seen a contemporary 2-door Camaro yet, so I'll reserve > judgement on that. The CTS-V is a 4-door Corvette, whether you like it > or not. But it also isn't marketed as a Corvette variant. >> Miata, Porsche, etc.? I can't believe you would. Would you? <waiting >> nervously for an answer> > > The Cayenne is arguably a 4-door performance Porsche. Let's also take a > look at MB, BMW, Audi, Acura, etc. They all have 4-door performance > vehicles that will kick major ass. > > As for the Miata, well, that's a weenie car with RWD. Stuff a 350hp V8 > in it and that's another story... Did I get an answer? |
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NASTY Lil' Cobra Being Twin Screwed
My Name Is Nobody wrote:
> > wrote in message > oups.com... >> On Oct 22, 8:40 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote: >> >>>> I also think the 2-door model was an excellent idea but just had poor >>>> execution. 2-seaters are supposed to be sporty and Ford's last >>>> generation T-bird, at nearly 4,000 scale-busting pounds, didn't have a >>>> chance. But if they could have gotten that Thunder [thighs] Bird down >>>> to around 3,200, given it a slightly more aggressive stance/look, >>>> installed some real thunder under the hood and given it a competitive >>>> price, I think Ford would have found a nice sales niche. >>> The reason I think it was a bad idea is they greatly narrowed the car's >>> target market. Ford took the original car from a two seater to a four >>> seater with great success. Had they not done that it would likely have >>> been discontinued. Why they thought going back to two seats would mean >>> more sales is beyond me. >> So Ford should forever concede the American 2-seat market to the >> Corvette? > > That is an entirely different topic and market than the Thunderbird ever > was... > > Besides the latest 2 seat T-bird was not in the same room let alone group as > the Corvette and Viper. By comparison, it was a pansy ass. I would rather have a Miata than that T-Bird. > <Cough>Ford GT<cough> > > >> <Cough>Viper<cough> >> >>> IMO, the only thing wrong with the last generation four seat T-Bird was >>> its weight. Had they trimmed 300-400 pounds out of the car it would >>> have been a terrific performer. As I said earlier, that car had RWD, >>> IRS, a solid performing V-8, good styling, nice interior, relatively >>> good performance etc. Ford needs a car with those traits in the worst >>> way. >> I agree. And I would like to think so. The problem is they ALWAYS >> load these "personal coupes" down with tons of options and BS and they >> ALWAYS become bloated behemoths. Then any chance of them to be >> sporting is lost. Why they can't take a lightweight platform, add a >> trimmed-down stylish body, keep the interior mostly manually operated >> but very functional, give the steering nice feel, bolt on a set of >> killer brakes, and fit a potent motor between the frame rails is >> beyond me. >> >> Patrick >> > > |
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NASTY Lil' Cobra Being Twin Screwed
"Joe" > wrote in message
... > Michael Johnson > wrote in > : > > > I haven't seen a contemporary 2-door Camaro yet, so I'll reserve > judgement on that. The CTS-V is a 4-door Corvette, whether you like it > or not. > Rent the Transformers DVD. It's in there. -- John - ThunderSnake #59 '69 Mach 1 w/ 390 4V Wide Ratio Toploader 3.50 Traction-Lok Acapulco Blue |
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NASTY Lil' Cobra Being Twin Screwed
"Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
... > Joe wrote: >> Michael Johnson > wrote in >> : >>> wrote: >>>> On Oct 22, 8:14 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote: >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On Oct 21, 11:26 am, Michael Johnson > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, >>>>>>>>>>> N/A 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. >>>>>>>>>> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell >>>>>>>>>> like crazy! >>>>>>>>> That's like putting mustard on ice cream. >>>>>>>> I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the >>>>>>>> somewhat brand loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or >>>>>>>> most likely displaced, secretary with several kids and friends, >>>>>>>> football practices and games, and the odd weekend project, I >>>>>>>> think it would do quite well. >>>>>>> I have a feeling that the number of new buyers they get from a >>>>>>> four door Mustang would be offset by the number of Mustang >>>>>>> enthusiasts they would lose. IMO, some things just aren't meant >>>>>>> to be, like a four door Mustang. >>>>>> Mike, >>>>>> I don't know why you would assume a 4-door Mustang or a Mustang >>>>>> wagon would drive buyers of the 2-door variety away. I don't think >>>>>> it would. >>>>>> Or am I crazy to think buyers can easily be fooled with some >>>>>> different trim and a name change -- i.e Firebird/Camaro and >>>>>> Cougar/Mustang, Patrick >>>>>> (Love to have a Mustang mini-wagon/some thing like the old BMW M- >>>>>> coupe.) >>>>> I'm all for Ford putting out a performance wagon. Just don't >>>>> *******ize the Mustang to do it. It would only take away from the >>>>> Mustang's heritage, IMO. >>>> So, simply stretch out a Mustang platform and body, change out the >>>> grill/some trim, slap on a Falcon name and it's golden? >>> The Mustang platform has not always been exclusive and it wouldn't >>> bother me if they used it as the basis for a wagon. Just don't make >>> it look like a stretched Mustang with two extra doors. The Mustang is >>> a pony car and it should stay that way, IMO. >> >> Now that you mention it, the whole Fox line back in the '80s had your 4- >> door and wagon Mustangs. They were called LTDs and Fairmonts. What's in >> a name? > > When it comes to the Mustang, everything. What would you rather have > sitting in your driveway? A Granada, LTD, Fairmont or a Mustang? A Mustang, which I have. I'd like a Mustang station wagon and I'd sell my beater, otherwise I'll have to buy a SuperCrew and keep the beater. Come on Ford, a little help here! -- John - ThunderSnake #59 '69 Mach 1 w/ 390 4V Wide Ratio Toploader 3.50 Traction-Lok Acapulco Blue |
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NASTY Lil' Cobra Being Twin Screwed
"WindsorFox" > wrote in message
... > Michael Johnson wrote: >> WindsorFox wrote: >>> Michael Johnson wrote: >>>> John wrote: >>>>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>> John wrote: >>>>>>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A 32 >>>>>>>> valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. >>>>>>> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell like >>>>>>> crazy! >>>>>> That's like putting mustard on ice cream. >>>>> >>>>> Yuck! Being the ice cream connoisseur that I was, pre-diabetic now in >>>>> my 50's, that was like a pan of cold water. >>>> >>>> Sometimes a slap to the face is needed. >>>> >>>>> I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the somewhat >>>>> brand loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or most likely >>>>> displaced, secretary with several kids and friends, football practices >>>>> and games, and the odd weekend project, I think it would do quite >>>>> well. >>>> >>>> I have a feeling that the number of new buyers they get from a four >>>> door Mustang would be offset by the number of Mustang enthusiasts they >>>> would lose. IMO, some things just aren't meant to be, like a four door >>>> Mustang. Any more than two doors and it ceases to be a Mustang. >>>> Besides there are plenty of fine and capable four door sedans to choose >>>> from that are already in the showrooms. >>> >>> So you're thinking that if they came out with a second different >>> model that has four doors, some loyal Mustang owners would sell and or >>> never buy another Mustang again even with the two door still in >>> production?? >> >> Selling a Mom and Pop four door Mustang diminishes the car's mystic, >> reputation, heritage etc. It would also show Ford is so desperate to >> sell vehicles that they will jeopardize one of their best selling, most >> long term success models to do it. It would be a very bad business >> decision, IMO. > > > Well, I'm not positive I agree with that, but they could always call it > a Falcon. Over the years, couldn't you get the Falcon in a coupe, sedan, station wagon, and a ranchero (or was that a pre-ranchero)? I don't think I ever saw a convertible though. -- John - ThunderSnake #59 '69 Mach 1 w/ 390 4V Wide Ratio Toploader 3.50 Traction-Lok Acapulco Blue |
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NASTY Lil' Cobra Being Twin Screwed
"John" > wrote in message . .. > "WindsorFox" > wrote in message > ... >> Michael Johnson wrote: >>> WindsorFox wrote: >>>> Michael Johnson wrote: >>>>> John wrote: >>>>>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message >>>>>> ... >>>>>>> John wrote: >>>>>>>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message >>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A >>>>>>>>> 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. >>>>>>>> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell like >>>>>>>> crazy! >>>>>>> That's like putting mustard on ice cream. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yuck! Being the ice cream connoisseur that I was, pre-diabetic now >>>>>> in my 50's, that was like a pan of cold water. >>>>> >>>>> Sometimes a slap to the face is needed. >>>>> >>>>>> I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the somewhat >>>>>> brand loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or most likely >>>>>> displaced, secretary with several kids and friends, football >>>>>> practices and games, and the odd weekend project, I think it would do >>>>>> quite well. >>>>> >>>>> I have a feeling that the number of new buyers they get from a four >>>>> door Mustang would be offset by the number of Mustang enthusiasts they >>>>> would lose. IMO, some things just aren't meant to be, like a four >>>>> door Mustang. Any more than two doors and it ceases to be a Mustang. >>>>> Besides there are plenty of fine and capable four door sedans to >>>>> choose from that are already in the showrooms. >>>> >>>> So you're thinking that if they came out with a second different >>>> model that has four doors, some loyal Mustang owners would sell and or >>>> never buy another Mustang again even with the two door still in >>>> production?? >>> >>> Selling a Mom and Pop four door Mustang diminishes the car's mystic, >>> reputation, heritage etc. It would also show Ford is so desperate to >>> sell vehicles that they will jeopardize one of their best selling, most >>> long term success models to do it. It would be a very bad business >>> decision, IMO. >> >> >> Well, I'm not positive I agree with that, but they could always call >> it a Falcon. > > Over the years, couldn't you get the Falcon in a coupe, sedan, station > wagon, and a ranchero (or was that a pre-ranchero)? I don't think I ever > saw a convertible though. 1964 Falcon Convertible http://www.petesretros.com/Ford_Falcon_For%20Sale.html > > -- > John - ThunderSnake #59 > '69 Mach 1 w/ 390 4V > Wide Ratio Toploader > 3.50 Traction-Lok > Acapulco Blue > > > |
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NASTY Lil' Cobra Being Twin Screwed
"Joe" > wrote in message ... > "My Name Is Nobody" > wrote in > news:NrqTi.11763$na2.7081@trndny08: > >> >> "Joe" > wrote in message >> ... >>> Michael Johnson > wrote in >>> : >>> >>>> wrote: >>>>> On Oct 21, 11:26 am, Michael Johnson > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, >>>>>>>>>> N/A 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. >>>>> >>>>>>>>> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell >>>>>>>>> like crazy! >>>>> >>>>>>>> That's like putting mustard on ice cream. >>>>> >>>>>>> I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the >>>>>>> somewhat brand loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or >>>>>>> most likely displaced, secretary with several kids and friends, >>>>>>> football practices and games, and the odd weekend project, I >>>>>>> think it would do quite well. >>>>> >>>>>> I have a feeling that the number of new buyers they get from a >>>>>> four door Mustang would be offset by the number of Mustang >>>>>> enthusiasts they would lose. IMO, some things just aren't meant >>>>>> to be, like a four door Mustang. >>>>> >>>>> Mike, >>>>> >>>>> I don't know why you would assume a 4-door Mustang or a Mustang >>>>> wagon would drive buyers of the 2-door variety away. I don't think >>>>> it would. >>>>> >>>>> Or am I crazy to think buyers can easily be fooled with some >>>>> different trim and a name change -- i.e Firebird/Camaro and >>>>> Cougar/Mustang, >>>>> >>>>> Patrick >>>>> (Love to have a Mustang mini-wagon/some thing like the old BMW M- >>>>> coupe.) >>>> >>>> I'm all for Ford putting out a performance wagon. Just don't >>>> *******ize the Mustang to do it. It would only take away from the >>>> Mustang's heritage, IMO. >>> >>> I think the Mustang would survive with its heritage intact. Even >>> after the Mustang II era, it's going as strong as ever. >> >> The Mustang II era was Nothing compared to *******izing the entire car >> by making it a 4 door, or worse a wagon. (think the gay Nazi's >> driving the '74 pinto wagon in the Blues Brothers here >> http://www.imcdb.org/images/019/429.jpg) The Mustang II remained a 2 >> door PONY car. > > The Mustang II started life on a Pinto chassis and morphed into its own > unique self after much factory rework. > >> They did what you are suggesting under another name >> plate, then as they should now. > > 1) I didn't make the suggestion. > > 2) The Mustang II was a far worse mortal sin to Mustang heritage than > any Mustang 4-door or wagon. > > >> Would you also lobby for a 4 door >> station wagon corvette? > > I'm not lobbying for anything except performance vehicles. 4 doors, > wagon, hatch, convertible, you name it. If it performs, then I'm for > it. > >> How about the Ford GT super car with 4 doors, >> cause we are all getting older ya know... That's retarded, and so is >> destroying the Mustang, it is, was and always has been a two door PONY >> CAR. > > If you want to label the Mustang II as a pony car, then go for it. But > that's even more retarded than your other examples. > >> Doesn't it strike you a little odd that you think someone would buy >> and drive a re-badged Volvo station wagon with a pony in the grill and >> C-scoops in the quarters because they "really" wanted to be driving a >> 2-door pony car, a Mustang??? > > Actually, no. But I never had that thought. > >> Come On Now, just because you are getting older doesn't mean you gotta >> ruin it for everyone else. > > So who's holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy this vehicle that > doesn't even exist? And thankfully NEVER WILL!!! |
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"Joe" > wrote in message ... > Michael Johnson > wrote in > : > >> Joe wrote: >>> Michael Johnson > wrote in >>> : >>> >>>> wrote: >>>>> On Oct 21, 11:26 am, Michael Johnson > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, > N/A >>>>>>>>>> 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. >>>>>>>>> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell >>>>>>>>> like crazy! >>>>>>>> That's like putting mustard on ice cream. >>>>>>> I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the > somewhat >>>>>>> brand loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or most > likely >>>>>>> displaced, secretary with several kids and friends, football >>>>>>> practices and games, and the odd weekend project, I think it > would >>>>>>> do quite well. >>>>>> I have a feeling that the number of new buyers they get from a > four >>>>>> door Mustang would be offset by the number of Mustang enthusiasts >>>>>> they would lose. IMO, some things just aren't meant to be, like a >>>>>> four door Mustang. >>>>> Mike, >>>>> >>>>> I don't know why you would assume a 4-door Mustang or a Mustang > wagon >>>>> would drive buyers of the 2-door variety away. I don't think it >>>>> would. >>>>> >>>>> Or am I crazy to think buyers can easily be fooled with some >>>>> different trim and a name change -- i.e Firebird/Camaro and >>>>> Cougar/Mustang, >>>>> >>>>> Patrick >>>>> (Love to have a Mustang mini-wagon/some thing like the old BMW M- >>>>> coupe.) >>>> I'm all for Ford putting out a performance wagon. Just don't >>>> *******ize the Mustang to do it. It would only take away from the >>>> Mustang's heritage, IMO. >>> >>> I think the Mustang would survive with its heritage intact. Even > after >>> the Mustang II era, it's going as strong as ever. >> >> I wouldn't risk it if I were Ford. Bone head moves have a way of >> getting blown out of proportion and I would consider a four door > Mustang >> a bone head move. > > Michael, I basically agree with you. But I can definitely see a slot > for a Ford 4-door vehicle to go head to head with the Charger, Magnum, > 300, and the up-and-coming G8. If you don't want to call it a Mustang, > that's great. Call it something else. I really don't care what it's > called. > >> Do you like the idea of a four door Camaro, Corvette, > > I haven't seen a contemporary 2-door Camaro yet, so I'll reserve > judgement on that. The CTS-V is a 4-door Corvette, whether you like it > or not. BUT IT IS NOT NAMED CORVETTE, that is the whole point... > >> Miata, Porsche, etc.? I can't believe you would. Would you? <waiting >> nervously for an answer> > > The Cayenne is arguably a 4-door performance Porsche. Let's also take a > look at MB, BMW, Audi, Acura, etc. They all have 4-door performance > vehicles that will kick major ass. > > As for the Miata, well, that's a weenie car with RWD. Stuff a 350hp V8 > in it and that's another story... |
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NASTY Lil' Cobra Being Twin Screwed
"Joe" > wrote in message ... > Michael Johnson > wrote in > : > >> wrote: >>> On Oct 22, 8:14 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote: >>>> wrote: >>>>> On Oct 21, 11:26 am, Michael Johnson > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, >>>>>>>>>> N/A 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. >>>>>>>>> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell >>>>>>>>> like crazy! >>>>>>>> That's like putting mustard on ice cream. >>>>>>> I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the >>>>>>> somewhat brand loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or >>>>>>> most likely displaced, secretary with several kids and friends, >>>>>>> football practices and games, and the odd weekend project, I >>>>>>> think it would do quite well. >>>>>> I have a feeling that the number of new buyers they get from a >>>>>> four door Mustang would be offset by the number of Mustang >>>>>> enthusiasts they would lose. IMO, some things just aren't meant >>>>>> to be, like a four door Mustang. >>>>> Mike, >>>>> I don't know why you would assume a 4-door Mustang or a Mustang >>>>> wagon would drive buyers of the 2-door variety away. I don't think >>>>> it would. >>>>> Or am I crazy to think buyers can easily be fooled with some >>>>> different trim and a name change -- i.e Firebird/Camaro and >>>>> Cougar/Mustang, Patrick >>>>> (Love to have a Mustang mini-wagon/some thing like the old BMW M- >>>>> coupe.) >>> >>>> I'm all for Ford putting out a performance wagon. Just don't >>>> *******ize the Mustang to do it. It would only take away from the >>>> Mustang's heritage, IMO. >>> >>> So, simply stretch out a Mustang platform and body, change out the >>> grill/some trim, slap on a Falcon name and it's golden? >> >> The Mustang platform has not always been exclusive and it wouldn't >> bother me if they used it as the basis for a wagon. Just don't make >> it look like a stretched Mustang with two extra doors. The Mustang is >> a pony car and it should stay that way, IMO. > > Now that you mention it, the whole Fox line back in the '80s had your 4- > door and wagon Mustangs. They were called LTDs and Fairmonts. What's > in a name? Everything, DOH! |
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