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Old July 17th 06, 01:11 AM posted to alt.autos.ford,alt.trucks.ford,rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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Picasso wrote:

> Its a good place to base a start. It is by no means perfect, but the


It's like pulling a robber baron out of the pre-Depression era and
giving him the helm of a modern company. Business is evolving, and it
does NOT make sense to base your future on old formulas.

Management styles are like any other technology. Take as a very good
analogy black and white TV - it went through a period of being
state-of-the-art and expensive but sought-after, then affordable and
owned by everyone, and now it is virtually free ($9.95 will buy you a
B&W television set, brand new) but nobody wants it because it has been
superseded by superior products. Free-to-air TV signals still work on
an old TV but you're missing a lot. When digital comes in, B&W TV sets
will be completely worthless.

Welch's pontificatory writings are in the same spot as B&W TV. His
ideas are still backwards compatible with modern businesses - JUST. So
they have some use, but it's small and dwindling. It would be stupid to
set up a facility manufacturing CRTs with blue-white TV-grade phosphors
right now, and it would be equally stupid to "turn around" a business
into a known dead end like GE's methodologies. Even GE is changing.

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Old July 17th 06, 01:36 AM posted to alt.autos.ford,alt.trucks.ford,rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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"Picasso" > wrote in message
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> long as the drives stay in the rear, and they keep the v8 ;P
>
> I really wish they wouldnt even PUT the v6 in them. it kindda ruins
> them... like the fox stangs 4 banger, what a gutless piece of junk that
> was... 2.3L Wasn't it? the ford tempo's could walk all over them! hahaha
>

Careful now, lol. In 1985 one of the performance mags did a head to head to
find the "fastest"
production car. Of course the Corvette won hands down over all even after
Chevrolet made them put a roll cage in the car and locked out 6th gear on
the tranny, the Camaro IROC nudged out the Pontiac Firebird for 2 nd place,
and forth place went to the Buick Grand National, which beat the Firebird
for top end, but got beat bad in the 1/4 mile, but the big surprise was the
Dodge Omni GLH whooped the 5.0 Ford Mustang, not just on top end, but in the
1/4 mile as well.. A couple years later the Omni was gone, as was the Grand
National, but the big upset winners were both GM trucks, the Cyclone, and
the Typhoon, which almost beat the damn Corvette in the 1/4 mile.

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Old July 17th 06, 04:26 AM posted to alt.autos.ford,alt.trucks.ford,rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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"David M" > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:56:42 +0000, Picasso rearranged some electrons to
> form:
>
> > long as the drives stay in the rear, and they keep the v8 ;P
> >
> > I really wish they wouldnt even PUT the v6 in them. it kindda ruins
> > them... like the fox stangs 4 banger, what a gutless piece of junk that
> > was... 2.3L Wasn't it? the ford tempo's could walk all over them!

hahaha
>
> If you actually drove a new Mustang with the V6, you might think again.
> It really runs pretty good, for a 6-cyl.
>
>

Imagine it with a super charger like the Cobalt SS.

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Old July 17th 06, 04:45 AM posted to alt.autos.ford,alt.trucks.ford,rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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"Picasso" > wrote in message
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> Mark Jones wrote:
>> Mike Hunter wrote:
>>> GM and Ford are finally advertising the fact they have more vehicles,
>>> than any of the imports, that get 30 MPG or more. Many mistakenly
>>> believe they need to buy an import to get decent fuel mileage. GM,
>>> Ford and Chrysler even offers car with V8 that can get 25 MPG or more.

>>
>> My 1994 Corvette with the optional performance rear gears
>> gets 25 mpg, so getting 25 mpg from a car is really not that
>> much of a challenge for Ford and GM.
>>
>> When my 2004 F-150 4x4 is paid off next fall, I intend to
>> trade it in on a new Ford truck. Probably an F-250. My F-150
>> has been flawless. It is the best vehicle I have ever owned.
>>
>>

>
>
> F150's are damn solid trucks. I wish they still made the light duty f250.
> But anyway, the F150's are still good vehicles.
>
> If i had the money, I would try a 250 or 350 diesel.


Light duty F-250's??? What year was that? Every year I'm familiar with
share axels, brakes and springs with the F-350. I do know Chevy made
half-ton based light duty 3/4 ton trucks, I'm not aware of a Ford light duty
F-250.


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Old July 17th 06, 04:55 AM posted to alt.autos.ford,alt.trucks.ford,rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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Mike Hunter wrote:

>Better quality? In whose opinion?


J.D. Powers, Consumer Reports, Popular Mechanics, Gelco Leasing,
dealers that sell both Japanese, American, and Chrysler brands, and
even the internal reports of Ford and GM.

>Lest we forget both GM and Ford outsell ANY of the imports, as well.


Irrelevant (quality != quantity) and misleading ( GM + Ford is bigger
than Toyota, but Toyota + Ford is bigger than GM, but so what?). GM is
also #1 in China, but again, so what? For a business with such large
economies of scale as the car industry, worldwide sales matter more,
and here GM will soon be overtaken, unless it merges with
Renault/Nissan. GM and Ford have got to bring out new best-in-class
vehicles, and they haven't been doing that much, GM perhaps not at
all.. Rick Wagoner and Bill Ford need to understand, "It's the
vehicles, stupid."

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Old July 17th 06, 05:19 AM posted to alt.autos.ford,alt.trucks.ford,rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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wrote:

>Picasso wrote:


>>They need to take some time and study the GE management style, and begin
>>to manage these people.


>Ha, ha. Really, very humorous. This would be the same (Jack Welch)
>management style that is now considered obsolete?


>
http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/10/maga...tune/index.htm

>I work at a company that absorbed Welch's "style" and let me tell you -
>it's way overdue for replacement.


I wouldn't want GE-style management for any small, fast-growing company
that can't afford to have its innovation stifled, but if you have to
run a large, established firm that's not on the cutting edge, GE
management, of which Jack Welch was a product rather than a creator,
isn't bad, and it's probably why GE is the only remaining original
member of the Dow Jones Industrials. But Johnson & Johnson and 3M are
probably better-run large companies.

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Old July 17th 06, 05:29 AM posted to alt.autos.ford,alt.trucks.ford,rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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FanJet wrote:

>Bill Ford needs a product like Bill Gates:


>Costs virtually nothing to make, distribute & sell with absolutely no
>warranty whatever.


But Bill Ford runs an actual business and can't tax almost every car
made the way Bill Gates can essentially tax computers with Windows.
Bill Gates didn't create but just brought order to the PC business the
way the public highway system brought order to auto travel.

>During the worst period in Ford history (I'm sure that could be argued to
>death), a single days output from one Ford plant would be worth more than 5
>years of anything Microsoft has foisted on an its consumer base.


>Funny world!


Funny economics. People who worship capitalism as a religion should
realize that their god isn't just far from perfect but often outright
absurd.

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Old July 17th 06, 06:44 AM posted to alt.autos.ford,alt.trucks.ford,rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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In article >, Picasso wrote:

> They need to take some time and study the GE management style, and begin
> to manage these people.


Have you ever personally experienced the GE management style?

Here's how it works. Each year every employee is ranked. This is a
political process. It's not how well you do your job, how smart you are,
how much money you made or saved the corporation, but how well liked you
are and how high your salary is. The bottom 10% is subject to downsizing,
and usually is.

After a few years, those who fought for change and became disliked by
bosses for not supporting the status quo, those who were creative and
fought to try new politically risky solutions, those who had experience
and knowledge are all gone.

Sure, wall street and the executives love it when the engineering staff
has been reduced to fresh-outs and ass kissers. However, innovation,
creativity and institutional knowledge suffers. Nobody still working
there knows that doing such and such leads to fires once the cars are
out in the real world... 'little' things like that.

If Ford and GM want to survive they need to take the shackles off their
engineers, not find new ways to pound down the highest nails. (as per
the japanese saying) And that's what the GE method does, pounds down the
highest nails.




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Old July 17th 06, 07:20 AM posted to alt.autos.ford,alt.trucks.ford,rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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"Picasso" > wrote in message
...
> long as the drives stay in the rear, and they keep the v8 ;P
>
> I really wish they wouldnt even PUT the v6 in them. it kindda ruins
> them... like the fox stangs 4 banger, what a gutless piece of junk that
> was... 2.3L Wasn't it? the ford tempo's could walk all over them! hahaha



If they did not sell the V-6 Mustang, the "secretary car" would have long
ago suffered the same fate as the camaro and charger...
It's a good thing some people like the low performance models...


>
> lymee wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:27:29 +0000, Picasso wrote:
>>
>>> What chages are they planning for the mustang?
>>>
>>> The mustang GT is a well done piece. Best bang for your buck for sure,
>>> if you are looking for good styling, good power, and a good daily drive.
>>> I don't know why you would look any further, even if the camaro was
>>> still around, it's styling looked like a riced out firebird from 1993,
>>> and didn't even perform overly impressively. It would probally still be
>>> overpriced even if it was there to compete...

>>
>>
>> I don't know.
>> I read somewhere that every body panel is being reworked along with a new
>> V6 motor.
>> Might just be rumour.
>> Might be too many beers while surfing the net
>>
>> Anyone??
>>


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Old July 17th 06, 09:47 AM posted to alt.autos.ford,alt.trucks.ford,rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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David M wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:56:42 +0000, Picasso rearranged some electrons to
> form:
>
>> long as the drives stay in the rear, and they keep the v8 ;P
>>
>> I really wish they wouldnt even PUT the v6 in them. it kindda ruins
>> them... like the fox stangs 4 banger, what a gutless piece of junk that
>> was... 2.3L Wasn't it? the ford tempo's could walk all over them! hahaha

>
> If you actually drove a new Mustang with the V6, you might think again.
> It really runs pretty good, for a 6-cyl.


>



When someone adds, "for a six-cyl" at the end, I don't want to drive
it... I can already feel the power, and hear the motor grinding
away...........................
 




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