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  #11  
Old August 14th 12, 01:23 AM posted to rec.autos.tech,alt.autos.audi
Nate Nagel[_2_]
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Default Slickness is gone once the transmission fluid was replaced

On 08/13/2012 05:01 AM, AD wrote:
> I had the gearbox and rear diff fluid changed to BP 75w90 (synthetic).
> about 1.3 liter went into the rear diff and 2.7 was left for the
> manual
> gearbox.
>
> It feels not the same now. The slickness of shifts seems to be out
> and the rubbery feel of a subaru manual gearbox is in.
>
> It's also seems more difficult to get A4 into the second gear.
>
> I'm hallucinating or what? OEM VW transaxle oil is about $45 a quart
> (liter actually)
> around here and I'd rather not spend those $135 plus labor to get the
> shifting slick and seamless
> again.
>


What vehicle is this? A4 chassis VW or Audi A4?

In any case I can't speak directly to an 02A VW transaxle or whatever
the Audi uses, but I have had excellent luck with Redline MT-90 in 020
transaxles (and old Borg-Warner T10s as well, although that means
absolutely nothing relative to your query. The last one I used Heavy
Shockproof at the recommend of a drag racing friend, and it is a little
stiffer shifting but still eminently acceptable.) I've also heard that
Swepco works well but didn't have a local source for it when I had VWs
although now that I don't, I do

Currently running Redline Heavy Shockproof in the Jeep's axles, although
that doesn't really mean anything, but their D4 ATF seems to be working
great in the Jeep's Aisin-Warner AW4 transmission.

yeah, I pretty much have a very positive opinion of Redline products and
shift quality/feel...

nate

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Old August 14th 12, 08:18 AM posted to rec.autos.tech,alt.autos.audi
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Default Slickness is gone once the transmission fluid was replaced

On Aug 13, 6:55*pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> AD > wrote:
> >I had the gearbox and rear diff fluid changed to BP 75w90 (synthetic).
> >about 1.3 liter went into the rear diff and 2.7 was left for the
> >manual
> >gearbox.

>
> Of what? *What kind of car?
>
> >It feels not the same now. The slickness of shifts seems to be out
> >and the rubbery feel of a subaru manual gearbox is in.

>
> What did the dealer recommend? *What does the manual recommend?
>
> >It's also seems more difficult to get A4 into the second gear.

>
> Is this an Audi A4? *What year? *Some of those want GL5 oil, some of
> them want different oil for the gearbox and the differential.
>

A4 B6 (made in late sept 2002)

> >I'm hallucinating or what? OEM VW transaxle oil is about $45 a quart
> >(liter actually)
> >around here and I'd rather not spend those $135 plus labor to get the
> >shifting slick and seamless
> >again.

>
> It's a 20 minute job, you can do it yourself in the driveway. *Don't
> waste $135 on having some joker do it. *I'd tend to recommend Red Line
> or Motul but you'll get as many different oil recommendations as mechanics
> I think.


75w80 or 75w90?

I was pondering the idea of lighter weight oil to alleviate that
shifting woe.
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Old August 14th 12, 10:57 AM posted to rec.autos.tech,alt.autos.audi
AD[_2_]
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Default Slickness is gone once the transmission fluid was replaced

On Aug 13, 8:00*pm, "Heron" > wrote:
> "no way" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Aug 13, 5:01 am, AD > wrote:
>
> > I had the gearbox and rear diff fluid changed to BP 75w90 (synthetic).
> > about 1.3 liter went into the rear diff and 2.7 was left for the
> > manual
> > gearbox.

>
> > It feels not the same now. The slickness of shifts seems to be out
> > and the rubbery feel of a subaru manual gearbox is in.

>
> > It's also seems more difficult to get A4 into the second gear.

>
> > I'm hallucinating or what? OEM VW transaxle oil is about $45 a quart
> > (liter actually)
> > around here and I'd rather not spend those $135 plus labor to get the
> > shifting slick and seamless
> > again.

>
> Then deal with it
> ********
>
> Given that all of your posts to date have been totally devoid
> of either interest or value, and with no reasonable expectation
> for any deviation from that track record in the future, do kindly
> take the hint and spare one and all from your continual boorish
> behavior and permanently depart these premises until such
> an unlikely time that you actually have something to contribute.


Well, trash films have their audience or they won't exist.
Some people just GOT to have their incompetence
on display thinly veiled as arrogance
(it;s widespread malaise where I live, but
apparently it found its way into the new world also:
the guy is the regular poster to a nascar NG if that tells you
anything :-))))))
  #14  
Old August 14th 12, 03:19 PM posted to rec.autos.tech,alt.autos.audi
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Default Slickness is gone once the transmission fluid was replaced

On 08/14/2012 12:18 AM, AD wrote:
> On Aug 13, 6:55�pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>> AD > wrote:
>>> I had the gearbox and rear diff fluid changed to BP 75w90 (synthetic).
>>> about 1.3 liter went into the rear diff and 2.7 was left for the
>>> manual
>>> gearbox.

>>
>> Of what? �What kind of car?
>>
>>> It feels not the same now. The slickness of shifts seems to be out
>>> and the rubbery feel of a subaru manual gearbox is in.

>>
>> What did the dealer recommend? �What does the manual recommend?
>>
>>> It's also seems more difficult to get A4 into the second gear.

>>
>> Is this an Audi A4? �What year? �Some of those want GL5 oil, some of
>> them want different oil for the gearbox and the differential.
>>

> A4 B6 (made in late sept 2002)
>
>>> I'm hallucinating or what? OEM VW transaxle oil is about $45 a quart
>>> (liter actually)
>>> around here and I'd rather not spend those $135 plus labor to get the
>>> shifting slick and seamless
>>> again.

>>
>> It's a 20 minute job, you can do it yourself in the driveway. �Don't
>> waste $135 on having some joker do it. �I'd tend to recommend Red Line
>> or Motul but you'll get as many different oil recommendations as mechanics
>> I think.

>
> 75w80 or 75w90?
>
> I was pondering the idea of lighter weight oil to alleviate that
> shifting woe.


einstein's definition of insanity - keep doing the same thing but
expecting a different result.

just buy the right oil dude. only don't get ripped off - buy online and
pay half what you were quoted. or less.


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Old August 16th 12, 09:29 AM posted to rec.autos.tech,alt.autos.audi
AD[_2_]
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Default Slickness is gone once the transmission fluid was replaced

On Aug 14, 5:19*pm, jim beam > wrote:
> On 08/14/2012 12:18 AM, AD wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 13, 6:55 pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> >> AD > *wrote:
> >>> I had the gearbox and rear diff fluid changed to BP 75w90 (synthetic)..
> >>> about 1.3 liter went into the rear diff and 2.7 was left for the
> >>> manual
> >>> gearbox.

>
> >> Of what? What kind of car?

>
> >>> It feels not the same now. The slickness of shifts seems to be out
> >>> and the rubbery feel of a subaru manual gearbox is in.

>
> >> What did the dealer recommend? What does the manual recommend?

>
> >>> It's also seems more difficult to get A4 into the second gear.

>
> >> Is this an Audi A4? What year? Some of those want GL5 oil, some of
> >> them want different oil for the gearbox and the differential.

>
> > A4 B6 (made in late sept 2002)

>
> >>> I'm hallucinating or what? OEM VW transaxle oil is about $45 a quart
> >>> (liter actually)
> >>> around here and I'd rather not spend those $135 plus labor to get the
> >>> shifting slick and seamless
> >>> again.

>
> >> It's a 20 minute job, you can do it yourself in the driveway. Don't
> >> waste $135 on having some joker do it. I'd tend to recommend Red Line
> >> or Motul but you'll get as many different oil recommendations as mechanics
> >> I think.

>
> > 75w80 or 75w90?

>
> > I was pondering the idea of lighter weight oil to alleviate that
> > shifting woe.

>
> einstein's definition of insanity - keep doing the same thing but
> expecting a different result.
>

I am not disputing the need to change the brand
and possibly sucking up to buying oem at the hefty premium
while going lighter weight.

> just buy the right oil dude. *only don't get ripped off - buy online and
> pay half what you were quoted. *or less.


thanks, though savings going online in my neck of wood ain't what they
are in the states
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Old August 16th 12, 03:22 PM posted to rec.autos.tech,alt.autos.audi
Kevin Bottorff[_2_]
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Default Slickness is gone once the transmission fluid was replaced

AD > wrote in
:

> On Aug 14, 5:19*pm, jim beam > wrote:
>> On 08/14/2012 12:18 AM, AD wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 13, 6:55 pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>> >> AD > *wrote:
>> >>> I had the gearbox and rear diff fluid changed to BP 75w90
>> >>> (synthetic)

> .
>> >>> about 1.3 liter went into the rear diff and 2.7 was left for the
>> >>> manual
>> >>> gearbox.

>>
>> >> Of what? What kind of car?

>>
>> >>> It feels not the same now. The slickness of shifts seems to be
>> >>> out and the rubbery feel of a subaru manual gearbox is in.

>>
>> >> What did the dealer recommend? What does the manual recommend?

>>
>> >>> It's also seems more difficult to get A4 into the second gear.

>>
>> >> Is this an Audi A4? What year? Some of those want GL5 oil, some of
>> >> them want different oil for the gearbox and the differential.

>>
>> > A4 B6 (made in late sept 2002)

>>
>> >>> I'm hallucinating or what? OEM VW transaxle oil is about $45 a
>> >>> quart (liter actually)
>> >>> around here and I'd rather not spend those $135 plus labor to get
>> >>> the shifting slick and seamless
>> >>> again.

>>
>> >> It's a 20 minute job, you can do it yourself in the driveway.
>> >> Don't waste $135 on having some joker do it. I'd tend to recommend
>> >> Red Line or Motul but you'll get as many different oil
>> >> recommendations as mecha

> nics
>> >> I think.

>>
>> > 75w80 or 75w90?

>>
>> > I was pondering the idea of lighter weight oil to alleviate that
>> > shifting woe.

>>
>> einstein's definition of insanity - keep doing the same thing but
>> expecting a different result.
>>

> I am not disputing the need to change the brand
> and possibly sucking up to buying oem at the hefty premium
> while going lighter weight.
>
>> just buy the right oil dude. *only don't get ripped off - buy online
>> an

> d
>> pay half what you were quoted. *or less.

>
> thanks, though savings going online in my neck of wood ain't what they
> are in the states
>


I was just wondering, are you sure the trany uses that heavy of oil? most
modern manuals now use auto trany oil. if so that heavy of oil will deff
change the shift feel. KB (no I didn`t bother looking it up to see
myself)
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Old August 16th 12, 03:23 PM posted to rec.autos.tech,alt.autos.audi
m6onz5a
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Default Slickness is gone once the transmission fluid was replaced

On Aug 16, 4:29*am, AD > wrote:
> On Aug 14, 5:19*pm, jim beam > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 08/14/2012 12:18 AM, AD wrote:

>
> > > On Aug 13, 6:55 pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> > >> AD > *wrote:
> > >>> I had the gearbox and rear diff fluid changed to BP 75w90 (synthetic).
> > >>> about 1.3 liter went into the rear diff and 2.7 was left for the
> > >>> manual
> > >>> gearbox.

>
> > >> Of what? What kind of car?

>
> > >>> It feels not the same now. The slickness of shifts seems to be out
> > >>> and the rubbery feel of a subaru manual gearbox is in.

>
> > >> What did the dealer recommend? What does the manual recommend?

>
> > >>> It's also seems more difficult to get A4 into the second gear.

>
> > >> Is this an Audi A4? What year? Some of those want GL5 oil, some of
> > >> them want different oil for the gearbox and the differential.

>
> > > A4 B6 (made in late sept 2002)

>
> > >>> I'm hallucinating or what? OEM VW transaxle oil is about $45 a quart
> > >>> (liter actually)
> > >>> around here and I'd rather not spend those $135 plus labor to get the
> > >>> shifting slick and seamless
> > >>> again.

>
> > >> It's a 20 minute job, you can do it yourself in the driveway. Don't
> > >> waste $135 on having some joker do it. I'd tend to recommend Red Line
> > >> or Motul but you'll get as many different oil recommendations as mechanics
> > >> I think.

>
> > > 75w80 or 75w90?

>
> > > I was pondering the idea of lighter weight oil to alleviate that
> > > shifting woe.

>
> > einstein's definition of insanity - keep doing the same thing but
> > expecting a different result.

>
> I am not disputing the need to change the brand
> and possibly sucking up to buying oem at the hefty premium
> while going lighter weight.
>
> > just buy the right oil dude. *only don't get ripped off - buy online and
> > pay half what you were quoted. *or less.

>
> thanks, though savings going online in my neck of wood ain't what they
> are in the states


why go to a lighter weight?? just put in what it's supposed to have
and call it a day. You can always check with the dealership about
using a lighter weight. They have recommended weight oils for a
reason.
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Old August 17th 12, 10:40 AM posted to rec.autos.tech,alt.autos.audi
David
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>> are in the states

>
> why go to a lighter weight?? just put in what it's supposed to have
> and call it a day. You can always check with the dealership about
> using a lighter weight. They have recommended weight oils for a
> reason.
>


20 years ago, I had a VAG car that 'crunched' into second.

The solution was to blend half the volume with the recommended grade,
and half with a heavier grade, both to GL5 spec.

YMMV

David


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Old August 18th 12, 07:38 AM posted to rec.autos.tech,alt.autos.audi
Sanity Clause
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> >> >>> I had the gearbox and rear diff fluid changed to BP 75w90
> >> >>> (synthetic)


> >> > A4 B6 (made in late sept 2002)


> I was just wondering, are you sure the trany uses that heavy of oil? most
> modern manuals now use auto trany oil. if so that heavy of oil will deff
> change the shift feel. KB (no I didn`t bother looking it up to see
> myself)


According to Mitchell......

*Manual Transmission Fluid*

AWD, 5 Spd Trans Rear Final Drive, 01R API - GL- 5, SAE 75W-90 2.01 QTS.

AWD, 5 Spd Trans, Trans Mfr CD 01A SAE 75W-90, Sythetic Oil 2.91 QTS.
Part No. G 052 911 A1.

AWD, 6 Spd Trans, Trans Mfr CD 01E SAE 75W-90, Sythetic Oil 2.6 QTS.
Part No. G 052 911 A1.

FWD, Trans Mfr CD 01W SAE 75W-90, Sythetic Oil 2.38 QTS.
Part No. G 005 000.


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Old August 18th 12, 02:50 PM posted to rec.autos.tech,alt.autos.audi
Nate Nagel[_2_]
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Default Slickness is gone once the transmission fluid was replaced

On 08/17/2012 05:40 AM, David wrote:
>
>>> are in the states

>>
>> why go to a lighter weight?? just put in what it's supposed to have
>> and call it a day. You can always check with the dealership about
>> using a lighter weight. They have recommended weight oils for a
>> reason.
>>

>
> 20 years ago, I had a VAG car that 'crunched' into second.
>
> The solution was to blend half the volume with the recommended grade,
> and half with a heavier grade, both to GL5 spec.
>
> YMMV
>
> David
>
>


GL-5 in a VW transaxle is a no-no from what I understand, most of the EP
additives contain sulfur, this is why many people recommend going with a
synthetic GL-4. I know Redline is advertised as sulfur-free and yellow
metal synchronizer safe, that is why I tried it instead of the Swepco; I
haven't had a reason to switch since.

NB: this is based on my knowledge of VW 020/02A transaxles and may not
be applicable to the OP's Audi. FWIW Redline recommends MT-90 for OP's
app but I would get an opinion from someone who has actually used it in
that specific transaxle (search Audi-specific forums) before switching.

nate

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