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Old May 23rd 10, 09:52 PM posted to rec.autos.driving,misc.invest.stocks,alt.gossip.celebrities,mn.politics,rec.sport.football.college
brad herschel
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Default In just *1* U.S. hospital -- 44 anchor babies born to illegalsdaily @ no charge, yet hospital sues Americans who can't pay

On May 23, 2:12*pm, "GeorgeWashingtonFan"
> wrote:
> All In Just One Hospital
>
> 5-23-10
>
> Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas , Texas is a fairly famous
> institution and for a variety of reasons:
>
> 1. John F. Kennedy died there in 1963
>
> 2. Lee Harvey Oswald died there shortly after
>
> 3. Jack Ruby-who killed Oswald, died there a few years later. *
>
> On the flip side, Parkland is also home to the second busiest maternity
> ward in the country with almost 16,000 new babies arriving each year.
> (That's almost 44 per day---every day.)
>
> A recent patient survey indicated that 70 percent of the women who gave
> birth at Parkland in the first three months of 2006 were illegal
> immigrants. That's 11,200 anchor babies born every year just in Dallas.
>
> According to the article, the hospital spent $70.7 million delivering
> 15,938 babies in 2004 but managed to end up with almost $8 million
> dollars in surplus funding. Medicaid kicked in $34.5 million, Dallas
> County taxpayers kicked in $31.3 million and the feds tossed in another
> $9.5 million.
>
> The average patient in Parkland in maternity wards is 25 years old,
> married and giving birth to her second child. She is also an illegal
> immigrant. By law, pregnant women cannot be denied medical care based
> on their immigration status or ability to pay.
>
> OK, fine. That doesn't mean they should receive better care than
> everyday, middle-class American citizens. But at Parkland Hospital they
> do. "
> Parkland Memorial Hospital has nine prenatal clinics. NINE.
>
> The Dallas Morning News article followed a Hispanic woman who was a
> patient at one of the clinics and pregnant with her third child---her
> previous two were also born at Parkland . Her first two deliveries were
> free and the Mexican native was grateful because it would have cost$200
> to have them in Mexico. This time, the hospital wants her to pay $10
> per visit and $100 for the delivery but she was unsure if she could
> come up with the money. Not that it matters, the hospital won't turn
> her away. (I wonder why they even bother asking at this point.)
>
> "How long has this been going on? What are the long-term effects?
>
> Well, another subject of the article was born at Parkland in 1986
> shortly after her mother entered the US illegally - now she is having
> her own child there as well. (That's right; she's technically a US
> citizen.)
>
> These women receive free prenatal care including medication, nutrition,
> birthing classes and child care classes. They also get freebies such as
> car seats, bottles, diapers and formula.
>
> Most of these things are available to American citizens as well but
> only for low-income applicants and even then, the red tape involved is
> almost insurmountable.
>
> Because these women are illegal immigrants, they do not have to provide
> any sort of legitimate identification - no proof of income.
>
> An American citizen would have to provide a social security number
> which would reveal their annual income - an illegal immigrant need only
> claim to be poor and the hospital must take them at their word.
>
> Parkland Hospital offers indigent care to Dallas County residents who
> earn less than $40,000 per year. (They also have to prove that they did
> not refuse health coverage at their current job.. Yeah, the 'free' care
> is not so easy for Americans.)
>
> There are about 140 patients who received roughly $4 million dollars
> for un-reimbursed medical care. As it turns out, they did not qualify
> for free treatment because they resided outside of Dallas County so the
> hospital is going to sue them! Illegal's get it all free! But U.S.
> citizens who live outside of Dallas County get sued! How stupid is this?
> As if that isn't annoying enough, the illegal immigrant patients are
> actually complaining about hospital staff not speaking Spanish. In this
> AP story, the author speaks with a woman who is upset that she had to
> translate comments from the hospital staff into Spanish for her husband.
>
> The doctor was trying to explain the situation to the family and the
> mother was forced to translate for her husband who only spoke Spanish.
> This was
> apparently a great injustice to her.
>
> In an attempt to create a Spanish-speaking staff, Parkland Hospital is
> now providing incentives in the form of extra pay for applicantswho
> speak Spanish. Additionally, medical students at the University of
> Texas Southwestern for which Parkland Hospital is the training facility
> will now have a Spanish language requirement added to their already
> jammed-packed curriculum. No other school in the country boasts such a
> ridiculous multi-semester (multicultural) requirement.
>
> Remember that this is about only ONE hospital in Dallas, Texas. There
> are many more hospitals across our country that must also deal
> with this. * *
>
> Check this for yourself...
>
> http://www.snopes.com/politics/immig.../parkland.asp*
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++
>
> * * * What Would America's Founders Say?
>
> * The two enemies of the people are criminals
> * and government, so let us tie the second down


Filthy US government uses your money to pay for your destruction!

brad

more info:

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/ The Occidental Observer
> * with the chains of the Constitution so the
> * second will not become the legalized version
> * of the first.
> * -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> * Those who hammer their guns into plows will
> * plow for those who do not.
> * *--Thomas Jefferson
>
> * It does not take a majority to prevail ... but
> * rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on
> * setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of
> * men.
> * --Samuel Adams
>
> * The strongest reason for the people to retain
> * the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last
> * resort, to protect themselves against tyranny
> * in government.
> * -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> * *A free people ought not only to be armed and
> * *disciplined, but they should have sufficient
> * *arms and ammunition to maintain a status of
> * *independence from any who might attempt to
> * *abuse them, which would include their own
> * *government."
> * *-- George Washington
>
> * No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
> * -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> * If the freedom of speech is taken away then
> * dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep, to
> * the slaughter.
> * -- George Washington
>
> * When governments fear the people there is liberty.
> * When the people fear the government there is tyranny.
> * -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> * Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... Disarm only
> * those who are neither inclined nor determined to
> * commit crimes.
> * -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> * Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a
> * *standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed
> * *populace.
> * * -- James Madison
>
> * If the representatives of the people betray
> * their constituents, there is then no resource
> * left but in the exertion of that original
> * right of self-defense which is paramount to
> * all positive forms of government ... The
> * citizens must rush tumultuously to arms,
> * without concert, without system, without
> * resource; except in their courage and despair
> * ... The natural strength of the people in a
> * large community, in proportion to the artificial
> * strength of the government, is greater than in a
> * small ... the people, without exaggeration, may
> * be said to be entirely the masters of their own fate.
> * -- Alexander Hamilton
>
> * All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people
> * of good conscience to remain silent.
> * -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> * Every government degenerates when trusted to the
> * rulers of the people alone. The people themselves
> * are its only safe depositories.
> * -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> * As our enemies have found we can reason like men,
> * so now let us show them we can fight like men also.
> * -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> * Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act!
> * Action will delineate and define you.
> * -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> * Merchants have no country. The mere spot they
> * stand on does not constitute so strong an
> * attachment as that from which they draw their gains.
> * -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> * I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy
> * of our monied corporations which dare already to
> * challenge our government to a trial by strength,
> * and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
> * -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> * I believe that banking institutions are more
> * dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
> * -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> * Experience hath shewn, that even under the best
> * forms of government those entrusted with power
> * have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted
> * it into tyranny.
> * -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> * A Founding Father speaks out on what's nowadays
> * called "political correctness":
>
> * Do not suffer yourselves to be wheeled out of
> * your liberty to publish by any pretenses of
> * politeness, delicacy or decency. These, as they
> * are so often used, are but three different names
> * for hypocrisy, chicanery and cowardice.
> * --John Adams
>
> ----


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  #2  
Old May 25th 10, 05:11 AM posted to rec.autos.driving,misc.invest.stocks,alt.gossip.celebrities,mn.politics,rec.sport.football.college
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
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Default In just *1* U.S. hospital -- 44 anchor babies born to illegalsdaily @ no charge, yet hospital sues Americans who can't pay

Every year americans shell out $400 billion in benefits for
illegals!!!! No wonder they keep coming.

EVery member of congress should be hung for treason.
  #3  
Old May 28th 10, 04:54 AM posted to rec.autos.driving,misc.invest.stocks,alt.gossip.celebrities,mn.politics,rec.sport.football.college
Studemania
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Default In just *1* U.S. hospital -- 44 anchor babies born to illegalsdaily @ no charge, yet hospital sues Americans who can't pay

On May 23, 1:52*pm, brad herschel > wrote:
> On May 23, 2:12*pm, "GeorgeWashingtonFan"
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > All In Just One Hospital

>
> > 5-23-10

>
> > Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas , Texas is a fairly famous
> > institution and for a variety of reasons:

>
> > 1. John F. Kennedy died there in 1963

>
> > 2. Lee Harvey Oswald died there shortly after

>
> > 3. Jack Ruby-who killed Oswald, died there a few years later. *

>
> > On the flip side, Parkland is also home to the second busiest maternity
> > ward in the country with almost 16,000 new babies arriving each year.
> > (That's almost 44 per day---every day.)

>
> > A recent patient survey indicated that 70 percent of the women who gave
> > birth at Parkland in the first three months of 2006 were illegal
> > immigrants. That's 11,200 anchor babies born every year just in Dallas.

>
> > According to the article, the hospital spent $70.7 million delivering
> > 15,938 babies in 2004 but managed to end up with almost $8 million
> > dollars in surplus funding. Medicaid kicked in $34.5 million, Dallas
> > County taxpayers kicked in $31.3 million and the feds tossed in another
> > $9.5 million.

>
> > The average patient in Parkland in maternity wards is 25 years old,
> > married and giving birth to her second child. She is also an illegal
> > immigrant. By law, pregnant women cannot be denied medical care based
> > on their immigration status or ability to pay.

>
> > OK, fine. That doesn't mean they should receive better care than
> > everyday, middle-class American citizens. But at Parkland Hospital they
> > do. "
> > Parkland Memorial Hospital has nine prenatal clinics. NINE.

>
> > The Dallas Morning News article followed a Hispanic woman who was a
> > patient at one of the clinics and pregnant with her third child---her
> > previous two were also born at Parkland . Her first two deliveries were
> > free and the Mexican native was grateful because it would have cost$200
> > to have them in Mexico. This time, the hospital wants her to pay $10
> > per visit and $100 for the delivery but she was unsure if she could
> > come up with the money. Not that it matters, the hospital won't turn
> > her away. (I wonder why they even bother asking at this point.)

>
> > "How long has this been going on? What are the long-term effects?

>
> > Well, another subject of the article was born at Parkland in 1986
> > shortly after her mother entered the US illegally - now she is having
> > her own child there as well. (That's right; she's technically a US
> > citizen.)

>
> > These women receive free prenatal care including medication, nutrition,
> > birthing classes and child care classes. They also get freebies such as
> > car seats, bottles, diapers and formula.

>
> > Most of these things are available to American citizens as well but
> > only for low-income applicants and even then, the red tape involved is
> > almost insurmountable.

>
> > Because these women are illegal immigrants, they do not have to provide
> > any sort of legitimate identification - no proof of income.

>
> > An American citizen would have to provide a social security number
> > which would reveal their annual income - an illegal immigrant need only
> > claim to be poor and the hospital must take them at their word.

>
> > Parkland Hospital offers indigent care to Dallas County residents who
> > earn less than $40,000 per year. (They also have to prove that they did
> > not refuse health coverage at their current job.. Yeah, the 'free' care
> > is not so easy for Americans.)

>
> > There are about 140 patients who received roughly $4 million dollars
> > for un-reimbursed medical care. As it turns out, they did not qualify
> > for free treatment because they resided outside of Dallas County so the
> > hospital is going to sue them! Illegal's get it all free! But U.S.
> > citizens who live outside of Dallas County get sued! How stupid is this?
> > As if that isn't annoying enough, the illegal immigrant patients are
> > actually complaining about hospital staff not speaking Spanish. In this
> > AP story, the author speaks with a woman who is upset that she had to
> > translate comments from the hospital staff into Spanish for her husband..

>
> > The doctor was trying to explain the situation to the family and the
> > mother was forced to translate for her husband who only spoke Spanish.
> > This was
> > apparently a great injustice to her.

>
> > In an attempt to create a Spanish-speaking staff, Parkland Hospital is
> > now providing incentives in the form of extra pay for applicantswho
> > speak Spanish. Additionally, medical students at the University of
> > Texas Southwestern for which Parkland Hospital is the training facility
> > will now have a Spanish language requirement added to their already
> > jammed-packed curriculum. No other school in the country boasts such a
> > ridiculous multi-semester (multicultural) requirement.

>
> > Remember that this is about only ONE hospital in Dallas, Texas. There
> > are many more hospitals across our country that must also deal
> > with this. * *

>
> > Check this for yourself...

>
> >http://www.snopes.com/politics/immig.../parkland.asp*
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++

>
> > * * * What Would America's Founders Say?

>
> > * The two enemies of the people are criminals
> > * and government, so let us tie the second down

>
> Filthy US government uses your money to pay for your destruction!
>
> brad
>
> more info:
>
> http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/*The Occidental Observer
>
>
>
> > * with the chains of the Constitution so the
> > * second will not become the legalized version
> > * of the first.
> > * -- Thomas Jefferson

>
> > * Those who hammer their guns into plows will
> > * plow for those who do not.
> > * *--Thomas Jefferson

>
> > * It does not take a majority to prevail ... but
> > * rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on
> > * setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of
> > * men.
> > * --Samuel Adams

>
> > * The strongest reason for the people to retain
> > * the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last
> > * resort, to protect themselves against tyranny
> > * in government.
> > * -- Thomas Jefferson

>
> > * *A free people ought not only to be armed and
> > * *disciplined, but they should have sufficient
> > * *arms and ammunition to maintain a status of
> > * *independence from any who might attempt to
> > * *abuse them, which would include their own
> > * *government."
> > * *-- George Washington

>
> > * No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
> > * -- Thomas Jefferson

>
> > * If the freedom of speech is taken away then
> > * dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep, to
> > * the slaughter.
> > * -- George Washington

>
> > * When governments fear the people there is liberty.
> > * When the people fear the government there is tyranny.
> > * -- Thomas Jefferson

>
> > * Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... Disarm only
> > * those who are neither inclined nor determined to
> > * commit crimes.
> > * -- Thomas Jefferson

>
> > * Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a
> > * *standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed
> > * *populace.
> > * * -- James Madison

>
> > * If the representatives of the people betray
> > * their constituents, there is then no resource
> > * left but in the exertion of that original
> > * right of self-defense which is paramount to
> > * all positive forms of government ... The
> > * citizens must rush tumultuously to arms,
> > * without concert, without system, without
> > * resource; except in their courage and despair
> > * ... The natural strength of the people in a
> > * large community, in proportion to the artificial
> > * strength of the government, is greater than in a
> > * small ... the people, without exaggeration, may
> > * be said to be entirely the masters of their own fate.
> > * -- Alexander Hamilton

>
> > * All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people
> > * of good conscience to remain silent.
> > * -- Thomas Jefferson

>
> > * Every government degenerates when trusted to the
> > * rulers of the people alone. The people themselves
> > * are its only safe depositories.
> > * -- Thomas Jefferson

>
> > * As our enemies have found we can reason like men,
> > * so now let us show them we can fight like men also.
> > * -- Thomas Jefferson

>
> > * Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act!
> > * Action will delineate and define you.
> > * -- Thomas Jefferson

>
> > * Merchants have no country. The mere spot they
> > * stand on does not constitute so strong an
> > * attachment as that from which they draw their gains.
> > * -- Thomas Jefferson

>
> > * I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy
> > * of our monied corporations which dare already to
> > * challenge our government to a trial by strength,
> > * and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
> > * -- Thomas Jefferson

>
> > * I believe that banking institutions are more
> > * dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
> > * -- Thomas Jefferson

>
> > * Experience hath shewn, that even under the best
> > * forms of government those entrusted with power
> > * have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted
> > * it into tyranny.
> > * -- Thomas Jefferson

>
> > * A Founding Father speaks out on what's nowadays
> > * called "political correctness":

>
> > * Do not suffer yourselves to be wheeled out of
> > * your liberty to publish by any pretenses of
> > * politeness, delicacy or decency. These, as they
> > * are so often used, are but three different names
> > * for hypocrisy, chicanery and cowardice.
> > * --John Adams

>
> > ----- Hide quoted text -

>
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>
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Maybe I'll respond to your messages elsewhere with car comments. and
let the other readers know why I am doing it,
It's easy to do if you know how.

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Old May 28th 10, 05:22 AM posted to rec.autos.driving,misc.invest.stocks,alt.gossip.celebrities,mn.politics,rec.sport.football.college
Blash
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Default In just *1* U.S. hospital -- 44 anchor babies born to illegalsdaily @ no charge, yet hospital sues Americans who can't pay

Studemania wrote on 5/27/10 11:54 PM:

> On May 23, 1:52*pm, brad herschel > wrote:
>> On May 23, 2:12*pm, "GeorgeWashingtonFan"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > wrote:
>>> All In Just One Hospital

>>
>>> 5-23-10

>>
>>> Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas , Texas is a fairly famous
>>> institution and for a variety of reasons:

>>
>>> 1. John F. Kennedy died there in 1963

>>
>>> 2. Lee Harvey Oswald died there shortly after

>>
>>> 3. Jack Ruby-who killed Oswald, died there a few years later. *

>>
>>> On the flip side, Parkland is also home to the second busiest maternity
>>> ward in the country with almost 16,000 new babies arriving each year.
>>> (That's almost 44 per day---every day.)

>>
>>> A recent patient survey indicated that 70 percent of the women who gave
>>> birth at Parkland in the first three months of 2006 were illegal
>>> immigrants. That's 11,200 anchor babies born every year just in Dallas.

>>
>>> According to the article, the hospital spent $70.7 million delivering
>>> 15,938 babies in 2004 but managed to end up with almost $8 million
>>> dollars in surplus funding. Medicaid kicked in $34.5 million, Dallas
>>> County taxpayers kicked in $31.3 million and the feds tossed in another
>>> $9.5 million.

>>
>>> The average patient in Parkland in maternity wards is 25 years old,
>>> married and giving birth to her second child. She is also an illegal
>>> immigrant. By law, pregnant women cannot be denied medical care based
>>> on their immigration status or ability to pay.

>>
>>> OK, fine. That doesn't mean they should receive better care than
>>> everyday, middle-class American citizens. But at Parkland Hospital they
>>> do. "
>>> Parkland Memorial Hospital has nine prenatal clinics. NINE.

>>
>>> The Dallas Morning News article followed a Hispanic woman who was a
>>> patient at one of the clinics and pregnant with her third child---her
>>> previous two were also born at Parkland . Her first two deliveries were
>>> free and the Mexican native was grateful because it would have cost$200
>>> to have them in Mexico. This time, the hospital wants her to pay $10
>>> per visit and $100 for the delivery but she was unsure if she could
>>> come up with the money. Not that it matters, the hospital won't turn
>>> her away. (I wonder why they even bother asking at this point.)

>>
>>> "How long has this been going on? What are the long-term effects?

>>
>>> Well, another subject of the article was born at Parkland in 1986
>>> shortly after her mother entered the US illegally - now she is having
>>> her own child there as well. (That's right; she's technically a US
>>> citizen.)

>>
>>> These women receive free prenatal care including medication, nutrition,
>>> birthing classes and child care classes. They also get freebies such as
>>> car seats, bottles, diapers and formula.

>>
>>> Most of these things are available to American citizens as well but
>>> only for low-income applicants and even then, the red tape involved is
>>> almost insurmountable.

>>
>>> Because these women are illegal immigrants, they do not have to provide
>>> any sort of legitimate identification - no proof of income.

>>
>>> An American citizen would have to provide a social security number
>>> which would reveal their annual income - an illegal immigrant need only
>>> claim to be poor and the hospital must take them at their word.

>>
>>> Parkland Hospital offers indigent care to Dallas County residents who
>>> earn less than $40,000 per year. (They also have to prove that they did
>>> not refuse health coverage at their current job.. Yeah, the 'free' care
>>> is not so easy for Americans.)

>>
>>> There are about 140 patients who received roughly $4 million dollars
>>> for un-reimbursed medical care. As it turns out, they did not qualify
>>> for free treatment because they resided outside of Dallas County so the
>>> hospital is going to sue them! Illegal's get it all free! But U.S.
>>> citizens who live outside of Dallas County get sued! How stupid is this?
>>> As if that isn't annoying enough, the illegal immigrant patients are
>>> actually complaining about hospital staff not speaking Spanish. In this
>>> AP story, the author speaks with a woman who is upset that she had to
>>> translate comments from the hospital staff into Spanish for her husband.

>
>>
>>> The doctor was trying to explain the situation to the family and the
>>> mother was forced to translate for her husband who only spoke Spanish.
>>> This was
>>> apparently a great injustice to her.

>>
>>> In an attempt to create a Spanish-speaking staff, Parkland Hospital is
>>> now providing incentives in the form of extra pay for applicantswho
>>> speak Spanish. Additionally, medical students at the University of
>>> Texas Southwestern for which Parkland Hospital is the training facility
>>> will now have a Spanish language requirement added to their already
>>> jammed-packed curriculum. No other school in the country boasts such a
>>> ridiculous multi-semester (multicultural) requirement.

>>
>>> Remember that this is about only ONE hospital in Dallas, Texas. There
>>> are many more hospitals across our country that must also deal
>>> with this. * *

>>
>>> Check this for yourself...

>>
>>> http://www.snopes.com/politics/immig.../parkland.asp*
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++

>>
>>> * * * What Would America's Founders Say?

>>
>>> * The two enemies of the people are criminals
>>> * and government, so let us tie the second down

>>
>> Filthy US government uses your money to pay for your destruction!
>>
>> brad
>>
>> more info:
>>
>> http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/*The Occidental Observer
>>
>>
>>
>>> * with the chains of the Constitution so the
>>> * second will not become the legalized version
>>> * of the first.
>>> * -- Thomas Jefferson

>>
>>> * Those who hammer their guns into plows will
>>> * plow for those who do not.
>>> * *--Thomas Jefferson

>>
>>> * It does not take a majority to prevail ... but
>>> * rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on
>>> * setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of
>>> * men.
>>> * --Samuel Adams

>>
>>> * The strongest reason for the people to retain
>>> * the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last
>>> * resort, to protect themselves against tyranny
>>> * in government.
>>> * -- Thomas Jefferson

>>
>>> * *A free people ought not only to be armed and
>>> * *disciplined, but they should have sufficient
>>> * *arms and ammunition to maintain a status of
>>> * *independence from any who might attempt to
>>> * *abuse them, which would include their own
>>> * *government."
>>> * *-- George Washington

>>
>>> * No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
>>> * -- Thomas Jefferson

>>
>>> * If the freedom of speech is taken away then
>>> * dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep, to
>>> * the slaughter.
>>> * -- George Washington

>>
>>> * When governments fear the people there is liberty.
>>> * When the people fear the government there is tyranny.
>>> * -- Thomas Jefferson

>>
>>> * Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... Disarm only
>>> * those who are neither inclined nor determined to
>>> * commit crimes.
>>> * -- Thomas Jefferson

>>
>>> * Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a
>>> * *standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed
>>> * *populace.
>>> * * -- James Madison

>>
>>> * If the representatives of the people betray
>>> * their constituents, there is then no resource
>>> * left but in the exertion of that original
>>> * right of self-defense which is paramount to
>>> * all positive forms of government ... The
>>> * citizens must rush tumultuously to arms,
>>> * without concert, without system, without
>>> * resource; except in their courage and despair
>>> * ... The natural strength of the people in a
>>> * large community, in proportion to the artificial
>>> * strength of the government, is greater than in a
>>> * small ... the people, without exaggeration, may
>>> * be said to be entirely the masters of their own fate.
>>> * -- Alexander Hamilton

>>
>>> * All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people
>>> * of good conscience to remain silent.
>>> * -- Thomas Jefferson

>>
>>> * Every government degenerates when trusted to the
>>> * rulers of the people alone. The people themselves
>>> * are its only safe depositories.
>>> * -- Thomas Jefferson

>>
>>> * As our enemies have found we can reason like men,
>>> * so now let us show them we can fight like men also.
>>> * -- Thomas Jefferson

>>
>>> * Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act!
>>> * Action will delineate and define you.
>>> * -- Thomas Jefferson

>>
>>> * Merchants have no country. The mere spot they
>>> * stand on does not constitute so strong an
>>> * attachment as that from which they draw their gains.
>>> * -- Thomas Jefferson

>>
>>> * I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy
>>> * of our monied corporations which dare already to
>>> * challenge our government to a trial by strength,
>>> * and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
>>> * -- Thomas Jefferson

>>
>>> * I believe that banking institutions are more
>>> * dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
>>> * -- Thomas Jefferson

>>
>>> * Experience hath shewn, that even under the best
>>> * forms of government those entrusted with power
>>> * have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted
>>> * it into tyranny.
>>> * -- Thomas Jefferson

>>
>>> * A Founding Father speaks out on what's nowadays
>>> * called "political correctness":

>>
>>> * Do not suffer yourselves to be wheeled out of
>>> * your liberty to publish by any pretenses of
>>> * politeness, delicacy or decency. These, as they
>>> * are so often used, are but three different names
>>> * for hypocrisy, chicanery and cowardice.
>>> * --John Adams

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>
> This is a site ffor auto discussions.
> Maybe I'll respond to your messages elsewhere with car comments. and
> let the other readers know why I am doing it,
> It's easy to do if you know how.
>


If you look at the header, you'll see that the "Headcase" who started this
cross-posted it to:
rec.autos.driving
misc.invest.stocks
alt.gossip.celebrities
mn.politics AND
rec.sport.football.college......
When they do this, you can tell they are utterly confused........


 




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