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>>>>>>Joe wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>"Michael Johnson, PE" > wrote in : >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Wound Up wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Donna wants a Mariner now. She likes the smaller size. I >>>>>>>>>>think Ford designed that SUV with females in mind. Most guys >>>>>>>>>>don't go for it. Not manly enough, I suppose. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>They sure didn't target their advertising of it to females, >>>>>>>>>considering the girl on the commercials. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Maybe they already sold the females on it and now they are >>>>>>>>trying >>>>>>> >>>>>to >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>mop up the males. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The wussy ones at least... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>If I had to downsize from the Dak I'd go right to a bike. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>There really isn't much of a difference in mileage between an >>>>> >>>>>Explorer >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>and an Escape. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>That's interesting. Just from size and weight alone I'd have >>>>>thought that the Escape got at least 5mpg better... >>>> >>>>The combined fuel economy for the Escape is 19 mpg and 17 for the >>>>Explorer. >>> >>> >>>19 for the Escape is horrible. Hell, even our '96 MPV Shoebox gets >>>around 17 or 18 overall. >>> >>> >>> >>>>The hybrid Escape has a 31 mpg combined rating. It >>>>actually gets better mileage in the city than on the highway. For >>>>a measly 2 mpg penalty, I would rather have the Explorer than the >>>>garden variety Escape. >>> >>> >>>Right. Not to mention rwd, a bit more metal surrounding you, and >>>more room. >>> >>> >>> >>>>The Escape hybrid really is quite an achievement for Ford, IMO. I >>>>wonder what mileage they would get if they used that technology in >>>>a light weight car. Plus, I would like to see a hybrid that takes >>>>braking energy and stores it mechanically in a spinning flywheel. >>>>Then used that stored energy to get the car moving again. I think >>>>it would be a more efficient use of that energy than trying to >>>>charge batteries from it in the short time frame that braking >>>>occurs. >>> >>> >>>For now, true. But long term I don't see hybrids as viable >>>solutions. I think we'll see technology that hasn't been developed >>>yet in the not-too-distant future. >> >>Too much expensive hardware, IMO. > > > That's exactly what I think of hybrids now. > When I first started hearing about the design ideas, I thought they would be disasters. Well, they're out there, but I still think "disaster". > >>A friend's got a Civic hybrid - >>picked me up when I brought the Tempo in for inspection. It's like >>a damned golf cart, hit the gas, the engine springs to life, and you >>feel the pull of the electric motors. Stop, and it's like you're >>dead in the water. It's a bit unnerving at first. He gets 45+ in >>it. > > > And how much more than a regular Civic did he pay for it? > I don't know. He did get a tax break but a dime more than its comparable gas model is too much. > >>But I just don't know if I'd want to consider fixing all that crap. > > > Bingo! In addition to the regular gasoline stuff you have the > electric stuff to fix. Double the complexity, double the cost. At > least. > I completely agree, at least double. Maybe worth leasing. Proprietary, new, complicated and expensive technology that is critical to the operation of the vehicle. No thanks (ha), I'll take 8-10 fewer MPG. > >>I'd get a small gas engined car, or a TDI VW. For SUVs, it raises >>an interesting point because they suck so badly on mileage. But >>again, even more hardware. I'd get a small sta wag... whatever >>happened to the sta wag? > > > It's kicking major ass as the Dodge Magnum SRT-8. 1/4 mile in 13.1 > seconds. Check out the article in this month's Motor Trend. > Man, that's pretty cool. I will. I liked the idea of the Magnum, but was underwhelmed. Sounds like they're moving in the right direction. I have an affinity for gigantic, powerful wagons. I plan to build a car called The Dragon some day. I'm thinking tubbed, green, wood paneled LTD with a bored and stroked 460, either with twin turbos or a roots blower. I'll even re-do the wood paneling. -- Wound Up ThunderSnake #65 |
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: <snipped for brevity's sake> >>>Too much expensive hardware, IMO. >> >> >> That's exactly what I think of hybrids now. >> > > When I first started hearing about the design ideas, I thought they > would be disasters. Well, they're out there, but I still think > "disaster". Guess most of them work ok, but again, I'd never want to have to fix one. >>>A friend's got a Civic hybrid - >>>picked me up when I brought the Tempo in for inspection. It's like >>>a damned golf cart, hit the gas, the engine springs to life, and >>>you feel the pull of the electric motors. Stop, and it's like >>>you're dead in the water. It's a bit unnerving at first. He gets >>>45+ in it. >> >> >> And how much more than a regular Civic did he pay for it? >> > > I don't know. He did get a tax break but a dime more than its > comparable gas model is too much. So ask him to do the math - how long will it take him to recoup the extra $$ he paid for the car in gasoline savings? >>>But I just don't know if I'd want to consider fixing all that crap. >> >> >> Bingo! In addition to the regular gasoline stuff you have the >> electric stuff to fix. Double the complexity, double the cost. At >> least. >> > > I completely agree, at least double. Maybe worth leasing. > Proprietary, new, complicated and expensive technology that is > critical to the operation of the vehicle. No thanks (ha), I'll take > 8-10 fewer MPG. If that. And I'll also take the _much lower_ price of the gasoline- only vehicle. >>>I'd get a small gas engined car, or a TDI VW. For SUVs, it raises >>>an interesting point because they suck so badly on mileage. But >>>again, even more hardware. I'd get a small sta wag... whatever >>>happened to the sta wag? >> >> >> It's kicking major ass as the Dodge Magnum SRT-8. 1/4 mile in 13.1 >> seconds. Check out the article in this month's Motor Trend. >> > > Man, that's pretty cool. I will. I liked the idea of the Magnum, > but was underwhelmed. Sounds like they're moving in the right > direction. The 6.1 is no slouch. 425hp/420lb-ft torque off the showroom floor. > I have an affinity for gigantic, powerful wagons. I plan to build a > car called The Dragon some day. I'm thinking tubbed, green, wood > paneled LTD with a bored and stroked 460, either with twin turbos or > a roots blower. I'll even re-do the wood paneling. Cool. A while ago Hot Rod did a spread on hi-po wagons. I died over the '57 Merc twin-turbo 460. Awesome. |
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Joe wrote:
> Wound Up > wrote in > : > > <snipped for brevity's sake> > >>>>Too much expensive hardware, IMO. >>> >>> >>>That's exactly what I think of hybrids now. >>> >> >>When I first started hearing about the design ideas, I thought they >>would be disasters. Well, they're out there, but I still think >>"disaster". > > > Guess most of them work ok, but again, I'd never want to have to fix > one. Parts availability alone would concern me too much to buy one. If I were a professional mechanic or service writer (even), I'd groan in pain at the thought of having to explain the repair bills. > >>>>A friend's got a Civic hybrid - >>>>picked me up when I brought the Tempo in for inspection. It's like >>>>a damned golf cart, hit the gas, the engine springs to life, and >>>>you feel the pull of the electric motors. Stop, and it's like >>>>you're dead in the water. It's a bit unnerving at first. He gets >>>>45+ in it. >>> >>>And how much more than a regular Civic did he pay for it? >> >>I don't know. He did get a tax break but a dime more than its >>comparable gas model is too much. > > So ask him to do the math - how long will it take him to recoup the > extra $$ he paid for the car in gasoline savings? > He'll know; he analytical like that. I'll ask him. It's a labor of love for the environment to him. It was high 90s - 100 here for about a month and he still didn't turn on his a/c in his home or car. I told him he was insane, and I that just charged up the R12 in my old Tempo, and he said, "oh, bad for the environment". I reminded him of how many coal-fired megawatts were needed to build his hybrid. > >>>>But I just don't know if I'd want to consider fixing all that crap. >>> >>> >>>Bingo! In addition to the regular gasoline stuff you have the >>>electric stuff to fix. Double the complexity, double the cost. At >>>least. >>> >> >>I completely agree, at least double. Maybe worth leasing. >>Proprietary, new, complicated and expensive technology that is >>critical to the operation of the vehicle. No thanks (ha), I'll take >>8-10 fewer MPG. > > > If that. And I'll also take the _much lower_ price of the gasoline- > only vehicle. > No kidding. I'm going to look at the websites and compare MSRPs more closely now. Personal habit and proper maintenance can account for much of the so-called savings anyway. > >>>>I'd get a small gas engined car, or a TDI VW. For SUVs, it raises >>>>an interesting point because they suck so badly on mileage. But >>>>again, even more hardware. I'd get a small sta wag... whatever >>>>happened to the sta wag? >>> >>> >>>It's kicking major ass as the Dodge Magnum SRT-8. 1/4 mile in 13.1 >>>seconds. Check out the article in this month's Motor Trend. >>> >> >>Man, that's pretty cool. I will. I liked the idea of the Magnum, >>but was underwhelmed. Sounds like they're moving in the right >>direction. > > > The 6.1 is no slouch. 425hp/420lb-ft torque off the showroom floor. MAN that's cool, bravo for Chrysler. > >>I have an affinity for gigantic, powerful wagons. I plan to build a >>car called The Dragon some day. I'm thinking tubbed, green, wood >>paneled LTD with a bored and stroked 460, either with twin turbos or >>a roots blower. I'll even re-do the wood paneling. > > > Cool. A while ago Hot Rod did a spread on hi-po wagons. I died over > the '57 Merc twin-turbo 460. Awesome. Another thing to Google! I've been a slouch with keeping up on stuff. That WOULD be one awesome sled to have. So cool to see old wagons smoking the usual suspects at the strip. -- Wound Up ThunderSnake #65 |
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Wound Up > wrote in
: > Joe wrote: >> Wound Up > wrote in >> : >> >> <snipped for brevity's sake> >> >>>>>Too much expensive hardware, IMO. >>>> >>>> >>>>That's exactly what I think of hybrids now. >>>> >>> >>>When I first started hearing about the design ideas, I thought they >>>would be disasters. Well, they're out there, but I still think >>>"disaster". >> >> >> Guess most of them work ok, but again, I'd never want to have to >> fix one. > > Parts availability alone would concern me too much to buy one. If I > were a professional mechanic or service writer (even), I'd groan in > pain at the thought of having to explain the repair bills. Who needs to deal with two powerplants in one vehicle? Not me.. >>>>>A friend's got a Civic hybrid - >>>>>picked me up when I brought the Tempo in for inspection. It's >>>>>like a damned golf cart, hit the gas, the engine springs to life, >>>>>and you feel the pull of the electric motors. Stop, and it's >>>>>like you're dead in the water. It's a bit unnerving at first. >>>>>He gets 45+ in it. >>>> >>>>And how much more than a regular Civic did he pay for it? >>> >>>I don't know. He did get a tax break but a dime more than its >>>comparable gas model is too much. >> >> So ask him to do the math - how long will it take him to recoup the >> extra $$ he paid for the car in gasoline savings? >> > > He'll know; he analytical like that. I'll ask him. It's a labor of > love for the environment to him. That's admirable, but it's too expensive for me. I can't afford to take care of the environment. > It was high 90s - 100 here for > about a month and he still didn't turn on his a/c in his home or > car. I told him he was insane, and I that just charged up the R12 > in my old Tempo, and he said, "oh, bad for the environment". I > reminded him of how many coal-fired megawatts were needed to build > his hybrid. LOL! Sounds like the kind of guy who'd be living in a log cabin in the woods with a wood stove and without electricity. >>>>>But I just don't know if I'd want to consider fixing all that >>>>>crap. >>>> >>>> >>>>Bingo! In addition to the regular gasoline stuff you have the >>>>electric stuff to fix. Double the complexity, double the cost. >>>>At least. >>>> >>> >>>I completely agree, at least double. Maybe worth leasing. >>>Proprietary, new, complicated and expensive technology that is >>>critical to the operation of the vehicle. No thanks (ha), I'll >>>take 8-10 fewer MPG. >> >> >> If that. And I'll also take the _much lower_ price of the >> gasoline- only vehicle. >> > > No kidding. I'm going to look at the websites and compare MSRPs > more closely now. Personal habit and proper maintenance can account > for much of the so-called savings anyway. IIRC, it would take something like 12 years to recoup the money you spent on the car itself from the gasoline savings. Something like that. >>>>>I'd get a small gas engined car, or a TDI VW. For SUVs, it >>>>>raises an interesting point because they suck so badly on >>>>>mileage. But again, even more hardware. I'd get a small sta >>>>>wag... whatever happened to the sta wag? >>>> >>>> >>>>It's kicking major ass as the Dodge Magnum SRT-8. 1/4 mile in >>>>13.1 seconds. Check out the article in this month's Motor Trend. >>>> >>> >>>Man, that's pretty cool. I will. I liked the idea of the Magnum, >>>but was underwhelmed. Sounds like they're moving in the right >>>direction. >> >> >> The 6.1 is no slouch. 425hp/420lb-ft torque off the showroom >> floor. > > MAN that's cool, bravo for Chrysler. Yeah, they've got the right attitude IMO. >>>I have an affinity for gigantic, powerful wagons. I plan to build >>>a car called The Dragon some day. I'm thinking tubbed, green, wood >>>paneled LTD with a bored and stroked 460, either with twin turbos >>>or a roots blower. I'll even re-do the wood paneling. >> >> >> Cool. A while ago Hot Rod did a spread on hi-po wagons. I died >> over the '57 Merc twin-turbo 460. Awesome. > > Another thing to Google! I've been a slouch with keeping up on > stuff. That WOULD be one awesome sled to have. So cool to see old > wagons smoking the usual suspects at the strip. Don't know if it's out there; I've never googled it before. I have the mag stashed somewhere - I'll see if I can dig it up and post some details. |
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