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Old May 29th 05, 05:10 PM
Dori A Schmetterling
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Default Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.7 Hemi in UK

Here is a review in today's UK Sunday Times of the new Jeep Grand Cherokee.

http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/art...630542,00.html

I have reproduced the article below my signature for convenience.

What do you think? Agree/disagree, bearing in mind the European context?

DAS

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New Cars

May 29, 2005

Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.7 Hemi
By Ray Hutton of The Sunday Times
All-American muscle power



When it first came to Britain nine years ago,
the Jeep Grand Cherokee was a credible alternative to the Range Rover - then
as now king of the 4x4s - at a price lower than the Land Rover Discovery's.
A lot has happened to SUVs since then. BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, Volvo and
Volkswagen have entered the fray and the Range Rover and the Discovery are
now superior new models.
So the new Grand Cherokee has a different task
to perform. These vehicles no longer sell on their ability to cross deserts
and mountain ranges but Jeep, like Land Rover, insists on making SUVs that
can cope with extreme conditions: off-road supremacy is a badge of office.
Even so, Jeep can't afford to ignore the fact that today's 4x4s need also to
be as smooth as a premium saloon on normal roads.

For Jeep, there is a further complication: it
is part of the DaimlerChrysler group, which also makes Mercedes. This means
that the Grand Cherokee is destined to be an understudy for the new Mercedes
ML, with which it shares its 3 litre V6 diesel engine.



But this is where the high-performance 5.7
litre petrol V8 Hemi engine comes in ("hemi" referring to the now-common
hemispherical combustion chamber that is part of Chrysler's heritage).


It represents something that Mercedes can't
offer: good old-fashioned American muscle.

The V8 produces 322bhp and propels the hefty
Jeep to 60mph in 6.8sec and to a maximum of 130mph. A sharp prod on the
throttle produces a wonderful roar that makes it seem even faster. And
although it has a clever (and barely detectable) system for deactivating
four of its eight cylinders when not required, such as cruising at low
speed, it still drinks unleaded at an embarrassing rate. The official urban
fuel consumption is 13.3mpg.

The car comes with satellite navigation,
tyre-pressure monitoring, park assistance, automatic wipers and memory
seats, all for £37,995, which happens to be the same list price as the Land
Rover Discovery V8 S with a 295bhp engine - the Jeep's direct competitor.
The Disco is still the class leader, though the cheapest automatic version
you can buy costs £33,490 and that will be undercut from July by the £29,495
Jeep 3.0 CRD.

Jeep devotees will notice improvements all
round for the new model, although the boxier styling, with narrower windows
and round headlamps, may not receive universal praise. Six inches longer and
with a 2.5in wider track than its predecessor, the Grand Cherokee now has
independent front suspension and rack-and-pinion steering, which make for a
more comfortable ride and better on-road handling.

Cars for the UK market, which are assembled in
Austria, all have Quadra-Trac II, the most advanced four-wheel-drive system
Jeep has offered, with three electronically controlled differentials,
low-range gears for mud-plugging, and electronic stability control.


Because it still has a rigid "live" axle at
the rear, it is not able to soak up the bumps and uneven surfaces of British
byways as well as the best of the competition, but the Grand Cherokee scores
in quietness and refinement, making it a pleasant companion on a long
journey. The new Mercedes diesel engine is, if anything, nicer in this
application than in the ML, where it is combined with a fussy seven-speed
automatic gearbox; all Grand Cherokees have a five-speed automatic.

The quality and general appearance of the
interior is better than before but the combination of textures and colours
marks it as American - the plastic mouldings are hard, the leather (grey or
khaki) shiny, some of the fittings just a bit crude. The Grand Cherokee
seats only five but a high floor and short seat cushion mean that the rear
passengers (particularly the one at the centre) have a less comfortable time
than those in the front.

Jeep has done what it had to do with its
biggest and most expensive model: it is faster and sturdier than its
predecessors. But SUVs have changed, and so have people's reasons for buying
them. The new Grand Cherokee may just be the right car at the wrong time.

VITAL STATISTICS

Model Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.7 Hemi Limited
Engine type Eight cylinders, 5654cc petrol
Power/Torque 322bhp @ 5000rpm, 369 lb ft @
4000rpm
Transmission Five-speed automatic, four-wheel
drive
Fuel/CO2 18.3 mpg (combined cycle), 366
g/km
Performance 0-60mph: 6.8sec / Top speed:
130mph
Price £37,995
Verdict Back to the futu an SUV with
real American muscle
Rating 3/5

THE OPPOSITION

Model Porsche Cayenne S £43,738
For Faster than the Hemi. Porsche sports car
heritage
Against Hard ride on the road and can't match
Jeep off it

Model Land Rover Discovery 3 V8 S £37,995
For Looks the business. Air suspension and
brilliant Terrain Response Control
Against Seriously heavy, not close to Hemi
performance


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  #2  
Old May 30th 05, 08:01 AM
Ted Mittelstaedt
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"Dori A Schmetterling" > wrote in message
...
> Here is a review in today's UK Sunday Times of the new Jeep Grand

Cherokee.
>
> http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/art...630542,00.html
>
> I have reproduced the article below my signature for convenience.
>
> What do you think? Agree/disagree, bearing in mind the European context?
>


I think the writer either has a fantastic bead on what new car buyers use as
criteria
or is totally out of his gourd. Some of the choice lines in this review:


> to the Range Rover - then
> as now king of the 4x4s


Ah, at least we state our bias upfront so the reader knows this isn't even
an
attempt an an unbiased review..

> A lot has happened to SUVs since then.


When has Jeep become a SUV?

> Even so, Jeep can't afford to ignore the fact that today's 4x4s need also

to
> be as smooth as a premium saloon on normal roads.
>


If you want smooth as a premium saloon why don't you just buy a premium
saloon at
a quarter the price and fuel consumption? Since when does a 4x4 need to be
a plushmobile?
If this is a selling point then he-men are no longer buying 4x4's, now it's
girley-men. What
a sad statement on the 4x4 crowd.

>
> It represents something that Mercedes can't
> offer: good old-fashioned American muscle.
>


Don'tcha mean good new-fashion American muscle? Old-fashioned American
Muscle went away in 1973 and has never come back.

> The V8 produces 322bhp and propels the hefty
> Jeep to 60mph in 6.8sec and to a maximum of 130mph.


Ah, yes, a 4x4 that can do 130Mph. I heard of tearing through the
forest but this is rediculous. How about telling us about it's ability to
crawl out of deep snow and bogs? Or that it has a decent frame that you
can attach a winch to and pull stumps without the thing folding up and
blowing off it's airbags?

> A sharp prod on the
> throttle produces a wonderful roar


Yes, we need that - drown out all the noise of the birds and the wind out in
nature,
right. Hey, if I pound a hole into my muffler on my 81 Datsun 4 banger can
I get
that same wonderful roar too?

> speed, it still drinks unleaded at an embarrassing rate. The official

urban
> fuel consumption is 13.3mpg.
>


How about the official off-road fuel consumption?

> independent front suspension and rack-and-pinion steering, which make for

a
> more comfortable ride and better on-road handling.
>


What about off-road handling?

Like I said, either the new Jeep buyers are on a completely different planet
than
this reviewer, or they are now all a bunch of girly-men and this writer has
them
nailed spot-on.

Ted


  #3  
Old June 1st 05, 10:54 AM
Dori A Schmetterling
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Most people (in western Europe, but I guess it applies to many in USA, esp
in Calif which, ok ok, is not in the USA...) buy 4x4 to ferry their children
from their townhouses across paved roads to their schools or their bales of
hay from their Chelsea/Manhattan/Beverly Hills farms to their
Harrods/Bloomingdales/Neiman-Marcus farms...

Look at the new H3...At who is this aimed?

A strong body of opinion holds that the Merc ML is a better off-roader than
the BMW X5, but who cares? The X5 looks better...

DAS

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"Ted Mittelstaedt" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dori A Schmetterling" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Here is a review in today's UK Sunday Times of the new Jeep Grand

> Cherokee.
>>
>> http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/art...630542,00.html
>>
>> I have reproduced the article below my signature for convenience.
>>
>> What do you think? Agree/disagree, bearing in mind the European context?
>>

>
> I think the writer either has a fantastic bead on what new car buyers use
> as
> criteria
> or is totally out of his gourd. Some of the choice lines in this review:
>
>
>> to the Range Rover - then
>> as now king of the 4x4s

>
> Ah, at least we state our bias upfront so the reader knows this isn't even
> an
> attempt an an unbiased review..
>
>> A lot has happened to SUVs since then.

>
> When has Jeep become a SUV?
>
>> Even so, Jeep can't afford to ignore the fact that today's 4x4s need also

> to
>> be as smooth as a premium saloon on normal roads.
>>

>
> If you want smooth as a premium saloon why don't you just buy a premium
> saloon at
> a quarter the price and fuel consumption? Since when does a 4x4 need to
> be
> a plushmobile?
> If this is a selling point then he-men are no longer buying 4x4's, now
> it's
> girley-men. What
> a sad statement on the 4x4 crowd.
>
>>
>> It represents something that Mercedes can't
>> offer: good old-fashioned American muscle.
>>

>
> Don'tcha mean good new-fashion American muscle? Old-fashioned American
> Muscle went away in 1973 and has never come back.
>
>> The V8 produces 322bhp and propels the
>> hefty
>> Jeep to 60mph in 6.8sec and to a maximum of 130mph.

>
> Ah, yes, a 4x4 that can do 130Mph. I heard of tearing through the
> forest but this is rediculous. How about telling us about it's ability to
> crawl out of deep snow and bogs? Or that it has a decent frame that you
> can attach a winch to and pull stumps without the thing folding up and
> blowing off it's airbags?
>
>> A sharp prod on the
>> throttle produces a wonderful roar

>
> Yes, we need that - drown out all the noise of the birds and the wind out
> in
> nature,
> right. Hey, if I pound a hole into my muffler on my 81 Datsun 4 banger
> can
> I get
> that same wonderful roar too?
>
>> speed, it still drinks unleaded at an embarrassing rate. The official

> urban
>> fuel consumption is 13.3mpg.
>>

>
> How about the official off-road fuel consumption?
>
>> independent front suspension and rack-and-pinion steering, which make for

> a
>> more comfortable ride and better on-road handling.
>>

>
> What about off-road handling?
>
> Like I said, either the new Jeep buyers are on a completely different
> planet
> than
> this reviewer, or they are now all a bunch of girly-men and this writer
> has
> them
> nailed spot-on.
>
> Ted
>
>



  #4  
Old June 2nd 05, 09:37 AM
Ted Mittelstaedt
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"Dori A Schmetterling" > wrote in message
...
> Most people (in western Europe, but I guess it applies to many in USA, esp
> in Calif which, ok ok, is not in the USA...) buy 4x4 to ferry their

children
> from their townhouses across paved roads to their schools or their bales

of
> hay from their Chelsea/Manhattan/Beverly Hills farms to their
> Harrods/Bloomingdales/Neiman-Marcus farms...
>
> Look at the new H3...At who is this aimed?
>


Men who have erectile dysfunctions and have to compensate with something I
think...

Ted


  #5  
Old June 2nd 05, 10:22 PM
Bill Putney
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Except V-1-a-g-r-a makes you go blind. 4x4's don't do that.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
adddress with the letter 'x')


Dori A Schmetterling wrote:

> I would have thought that V-i-a-g-r-a and Ci@lis (as advertised in hundreds
> of my daily spam msgs) are cheaper and more effective... :-)
>
> DAS
>
> For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
> ---
>
> "Ted Mittelstaedt" > wrote in message
> ...
> [...]
>
>>Men who have erectile dysfunctions and have to compensate with something I
>>think...

 




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