testing fuel pressure on a 3.3L 2005 Toyotal

(I don't think I have a fuel problem, but when I'm reading about my car,
curiosity rears its head and I have questions.)

How come so many cars have a nipple on the fuel rail with which to test
fuel pressure, but 2005 3.3L Toyotas etc. make one insert a T-connector,
iiuc underneath the rear seat or just above the gas tank. And IIUC,
then you have to remove the T-connector when you're done. Much harder
to get to, and both chores are so much more effort than using a nipple
on the fuel rail.

Toyota is not usually inconvenient, afaict, so what is going on here?



Oh, and why does the shop manual not include pictures? It only has
outline sketches (not even detailed sketches)? I've had Pontiacs and
Chryslers and I bought the shop manual for my brother's Ford, iow all of
the Big Three, and every one had much more informative manuals than
either of my Toyotas'.

And there is constant reference to toyota-specific test equipment etc.

Basically, I can't tell a thing from the shop manual and have to rely on
youtube videos and on webpages. Whereas with American cars, the shop
manual was all I needed to fix them.


Is it that Toyota manuals are designed only for the mechanic and not for
anyone without a lot of experience?

Are all Japanese shop manuals like Toyota's?

Is this an example of foreigners with an elitist social hierarchy, or at
least a strict one, unlike America where there is a belief that anyone
can learn to do anything? --- I've exaggerated the American part
some, but I do seriously intend the general nature of the question.

On Sat, 03 Apr 2021 16:37:37 -0400, micky posted for all of us to digest...

>
> (I don't think I have a fuel problem, but when I'm reading about my car,
> curiosity rears its head and I have questions.)
>
> How come so many cars have a nipple on the fuel rail with which to test
> fuel pressure, but 2005 3.3L Toyotas etc. make one insert a T-connector,
> iiuc underneath the rear seat or just above the gas tank. And IIUC,
> then you have to remove the T-connector when you're done. Much harder
> to get to, and both chores are so much more effort than using a nipple
> on the fuel rail.
>
> Toyota is not usually inconvenient, afaict, so what is going on here?
>
>
>
> Oh, and why does the shop manual not include pictures? It only has
> outline sketches (not even detailed sketches)? I've had Pontiacs and
> Chryslers and I bought the shop manual for my brother's Ford, iow all of
> the Big Three, and every one had much more informative manuals than
> either of my Toyotas'.
>
> And there is constant reference to toyota-specific test equipment etc.
>
> Basically, I can't tell a thing from the shop manual and have to rely on
> youtube videos and on webpages. Whereas with American cars, the shop
> manual was all I needed to fix them.
>
>
> Is it that Toyota manuals are designed only for the mechanic and not for
> anyone without a lot of experience?
>
> Are all Japanese shop manuals like Toyota's?
>
> Is this an example of foreigners with an elitist social hierarchy, or at
> least a strict one, unlike America where there is a belief that anyone
> can learn to do anything? --- I've exaggerated the American part
> some, but I do seriously intend the general nature of the question.

They saw you coming! You like that answer?

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"micky" > wrote in message
...
> (I don't think I have a fuel problem, but when I'm reading about my car,
> curiosity rears its head and I have questions.)
>
> How come so many cars have a nipple on the fuel rail with which to test
> fuel pressure, but 2005 3.3L Toyotas etc. make one insert a T-connector,
> iiuc underneath the rear seat or just above the gas tank. And IIUC,
> then you have to remove the T-connector when you're done. Much harder
> to get to, and both chores are so much more effort than using a nipple
> on the fuel rail.
>
> Toyota is not usually inconvenient, afaict, so what is going on here?
>
>
>
> Oh, and why does the shop manual not include pictures? It only has
> outline sketches (not even detailed sketches)? I've had Pontiacs and
> Chryslers and I bought the shop manual for my brother's Ford, iow all of
> the Big Three, and every one had much more informative manuals than
> either of my Toyotas'.
>
> And there is constant reference to toyota-specific test equipment etc.
>
> Basically, I can't tell a thing from the shop manual and have to rely on
> youtube videos and on webpages. Whereas with American cars, the shop
> manual was all I needed to fix them.
>
>
> Is it that Toyota manuals are designed only for the mechanic and not for
> anyone without a lot of experience?
>
> Are all Japanese shop manuals like Toyota's?

> Is this an example of foreigners with an elitist social hierarchy,
> or at least a strict one, unlike America where there is a belief
> that anyone can learn to do anything?

Nope, the Japs arent really like that.

> I've exaggerated the American part some, but I do
> seriously intend the general nature of the question.

On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 07:38:40 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


> Nope

ROTFLOL

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"Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)"
MID: >

micky wrote:
> (I don't think I have a fuel problem, but when I'm reading about my car,
> curiosity rears its head and I have questions.)
>
> How come so many cars have a nipple on the fuel rail with which to test
> fuel pressure, but 2005 3.3L Toyotas etc. make one insert a T-connector,
> iiuc underneath the rear seat or just above the gas tank. And IIUC,
> then you have to remove the T-connector when you're done. Much harder
> to get to, and both chores are so much more effort than using a nipple
> on the fuel rail.
>
> Toyota is not usually inconvenient, afaict, so what is going on here?
>
>
>
> Oh, and why does the shop manual not include pictures? It only has
> outline sketches (not even detailed sketches)? I've had Pontiacs and
> Chryslers and I bought the shop manual for my brother's Ford, iow all of
> the Big Three, and every one had much more informative manuals than
> either of my Toyotas'.
>
> And there is constant reference to toyota-specific test equipment etc.
>
> Basically, I can't tell a thing from the shop manual and have to rely on
> youtube videos and on webpages. Whereas with American cars, the shop
> manual was all I needed to fix them.
>
>
> Is it that Toyota manuals are designed only for the mechanic and not for
> anyone without a lot of experience?
>
> Are all Japanese shop manuals like Toyota's?
>
> Is this an example of foreigners with an elitist social hierarchy, or at
> least a strict one, unlike America where there is a belief that anyone
> can learn to do anything? --- I've exaggerated the American part
> some, but I do seriously intend the general nature of the question.

Lot's of vehicles out there don't have a test port, not just Toyota.
It's why shops buy master fuel pressure test kits that include a ton of
adapters and you still don't have all of them.

As for the information, that also depends on the manufacturer, some give
a write up and little visual info while others show just a cartoon like
picture with a simple guide.

Special tools are a way of life on vehicles. Some can be shop made
others you spend big money on to use them once. ALL vehicles are built
for a mechanic that has experience these days, and the companies want to
keep it even closer, if they could require that only dealers worked on
them they would, and some are that way now (Tesla and Apple both being
examples of those restrictions) They claim everything is intellectual
property and you "buying the car" only means you are buying the use of
the vehicle, not ownership or the ability to repair them. Just like
software companies.

--
Steve W.

On 4/3/2021 10:11 PM, Steve W. wrote:
> micky wrote:
>> (I don't think I have a fuel problem, but when I'm reading about my car,
>> curiosity rears its head and I have questions.)
>> How come so many cars have a nipple on the fuel rail with which to test
>> fuel pressure, but 2005 3.3L Toyotas etc. make one insert a T-connector,
>> iiuc underneath the rear seat or just above the gas tank.Â* And IIUC,
>> then you have to remove the T-connector when you're done.Â* Much harder
>> to get to, and both chores are so much more effort than using a nipple
>> on the fuel rail.
>> Toyota is not usually inconvenient, afaict, so what is going on here?
>>
>>
>> Oh, and why does the shop manual not include pictures?Â* It only has
>> outline sketches (not even detailed sketches)? I've had Pontiacs and
>> Chryslers and I bought the shop manual for my brother's Ford, iow all of
>> the Big Three, and every one had much more informative manuals than
>> either of my Toyotas'.
>> And there is constant reference to toyota-specific test equipment etc.
>> Basically, I can't tell a thing from the shop manual and have to rely on
>> youtube videos and on webpages. Whereas with American cars, the shop
>> manual was all I needed to fix them.
>>
>> Is it that Toyota manuals are designed only for the mechanic and not for
>> anyone without a lot of experience?
>> Are all Japanese shop manuals like Toyota's?
>> Is this an example of foreigners with an elitist social hierarchy, or at
>> least a strict one, unlike America where there is a belief that anyone
>> can learn to do anything?Â*Â* ---Â* I've exaggerated the American part
>> some, but I do seriously intend the general nature of the question.
>
> Lot's of vehicles out there don't have a test port, not just Toyota.
> It's why shops buy master fuel pressure test kits that include a ton of
> adapters and you still don't have all of them.
>
> As for the information, that also depends on the manufacturer, some give
> a write up and little visual info while others show just a cartoon like
> picture with a simple guide.
>
> Special tools are a way of life on vehicles. Some can be shop made
> others you spend big money on to use them once. ALL vehicles are built
> for a mechanic that has experience these days, and the companies want to
> keep it even closer, if they could require that only dealers worked on
> them they would, and some are that way now (Tesla and Apple both being
> examples of those restrictions) They claim everything is intellectual
> property and you "buying the car" only means you are buying the use of
> the vehicle, not ownership or the ability to repair them. Just like
> software companies.
>

John Deere fall into the control camp.

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