Make it harder to press gas pedal

On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 03:09:43 -0700 (PDT), m6onz5a
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>> >I could care less about someone riding the clutch, if they want to burn up their clutch more power to them, but when your left foot keeps touching the brake pedal your brake lights keep flickering which is very annoying to the person behind that two foot driver. Some two foot drivers keep their left foot on the brake pedal so your brake lights are constantly on.
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>I ride motorcycles as well, along with mopeds & scooters which all have different controls. I even had an antique bike that had the brake & gear shifter on the opposite sides. So, I do know how to adjust for different vehicles.
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>I'm a firm believer that two foot driving is still not as safe (for automatic transmissions). That is how I was taught and I'm sticking to it..
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>You must be a proud two foot driver. Ride on! (the brakes that is)


The thing I find most interesting whenever the use of the left foot
comes up for braking in AT equipped cars is demonstrated by your
reply. Even though you KNOW that it is certainly possible to learn
different uses for right and left feet, and by extension to left foot
brake and do it well, presuming you believe you can use your feet well
when you ride a motorcycle and also with non-standard MCs, you still
are wedded to the idea that "it can't be done properly" when it comes
to left foot braking a car simply because "that's how I was taught."
Is that how you approach any other "new" ideas you hear about? I bet
your first bike had coaster brakes... do you eschew their lack on
modern 21 speeds? Especially since you could simply use your FEET for
braking and pedaling on the old bikes, now you have the terrible
confusion of having to use your FEET for pedaling, and your HANDS for
braking - and for two different wheels for braking meaning BOTH left
AND right hands need to learn a skill !!! My god, how could ANYONE
possibly master those skills !!!!

I never ride the brakes anymore then you ride your accelerator pedal
when you are stopped at a stop light - at least I assume you can tell
when you are pushing on the accelerator pedal. Like I said, if people
really are so unable to learn a skill, and left foot braking is a
skill, than by all means they should continue to leave their left foot
planted uselessly on the floor and keep moving their right foot back
and forth back and forth, on the gas, off the gas, on the brake, off
the brake, over and over. I'll keep doing what has worked well for me
and what was taught as the proper way to drive back when automatics
were getting popular. Times change and what's "proper" blows with the
fashion winds regardless of any inherent logic.

On 8/18/2013 2:54 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
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> your first bike had coaster brakes... do you eschew their lack on
> modern 21 speeds?

Only low-end bikes would have 21 speeds these days. Most road bikes are
20 (10x2), 22 (11x2) or 30 (10x3) while MTB are usually 27 (9x3) or 30
(10x3).

> I never ride the brakes anymore then you ride your accelerator pedal
> when you are stopped at a stop light - at least I assume you can tell
> when you are pushing on the accelerator pedal.[...]

What about power-braking, so we can turn our expensive tires into clouds
of noxious smoke while waiting for the lights to change?

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T0m $herm@n

Who rides the accelerator pedal???????

Except in a manual on a hill I might be on the clutch & gas and keeping the car steady.

Only two footers can ride the gas. I see it all of the time upon take off.

You can drive how you feel is right. You said it yourself that you learned to drive two footed as the automatics were getting popular. so, no one new the best way to drive them yet. It was trial & error. They don't teach two footed driving in drivers ed. That alone should tell you something about two foot driving.


Here's what I found doing a quick search of two feet driving:

Some people seem to drive with two left feet, figuratively. But those who actually drive an automatic with both feet worry me.

Since most newer drivers have never touched a stickshift vehicle, I doubt it has anything to do with a “restless left foot” from transitioning to an automatic. (I’ve driven both and find that rationale to be nonsense.)

From a legal standpoint, using two feet isn’t specifically prohibited. But if you lose control and cause a collision, you could be charged with careless driving or dangerous driving causing bodily harm/death, if applicable.

Police can’t see your feet as you drive anyhow, unless, perhaps, you’re in an open top Jeep with doors removed, but two-footed drivers typically give themselves away by their constantly lit or blinking brake lights as they drive along.

Two-footed driving is, I believe, most often practised by novice drivers who falsely believe they’ve discovered a better, more efficient way to drive than everyone else. In reality, two-footed driving is completely unnecessary because you can just plant your right heel on the floor and pivot between gas and brake, so it really doesn’t save you any effort.

Two-footed driving is extremely dangerous because during emergency maneuvers, the driver may inadvertently step on the wrong pedal, or step on both simultaneously. In a crisis, we automatically do what we’ve been trained to do. If you’ve made it a habit to use your left foot for braking, then that’s what your brain will opt to do when trouble arises – and that mistake can be fatal.

Years ago, I recall a newly-licensed family friend regretfully admitting that she mistakenly stomped on the gas instead of the brake at a red light and then, in a panic, used her left foot (as was her habit) to apply the brake – but without releasing the gas pedal with her right foot. The gas pedal counteracted the braking effort and she seriously injured herself and others in the collision that she caused.

It takes 30 days to make or break a habit and, after she got out of hospital, she broke that dangerous habit for good.

Incidentally, street racers need not write in. I’m aware that stomping both pedals simultaneously while stopped may hold the vehicle in place as the (rear) drive wheels spin and “burn rubber.” Her auto was in motion, at speed, so the application of both pedals at the same time greatly reduced the effectiveness of the brakes and she was unable to stop in time.


On Sunday, August 18, 2013 4:33:57 PM UTC-4, T0m $herman wrote:
> On 8/18/2013 2:54 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
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> > your first bike had coaster brakes... do you eschew their lack on
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> > modern 21 speeds?
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> Only low-end bikes would have 21 speeds these days. Most road bikes are
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> 20 (10x2), 22 (11x2) or 30 (10x3) while MTB are usually 27 (9x3) or 30
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> > I never ride the brakes anymore then you ride your accelerator pedal
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> > when you are stopped at a stop light - at least I assume you can tell
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> What about power-braking, so we can turn our expensive tires into clouds
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> of noxious smoke while waiting for the lights to change?
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> T0m $herm@n

On 8/18/2013 4:41 PM, m6onz5a wrote:
> Incidentally, street racers need not write in. I’m aware that stomping both pedals simultaneously while stopped may hold the vehicle in place as the (rear) drive wheels spin and “burn rubber.�

The proper technique if one is next to a Prius or driver's ed car at a
red light. On a motorcycle, one should ride a wheelie when the light
turns green.

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T0m $herm@n

What a silly bunch of twaddle. Tell me how your Uncle shot himself in
the foot with his pistol and that it means no one should ever carry a
pistol. Like I said, if you don't have the skill don't do it. As to
safety, just how many folks do you need to have ram thru the front of
stores because they THOUGHT their RIGHT foot was on the brake but was
really on the accel pedal when they tried to STOP. If they had
learned to use BOTH feet, left to brake, right to go, those kinds of
accidents simply wouldn't happen. Probably 90% of drivers drive
automatics but you think they should just let that left foot stay
planted on the floor because they might get confused if they were to
drive a manual, even thought the last time they drove a manual, if
ever, was 40 years ago.

Guess how the vast majority of F1 drivers use their feet.....


On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:41:39 -0700 (PDT), m6onz5a
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>Who rides the accelerator pedal???????
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>Except in a manual on a hill I might be on the clutch & gas and keeping the car steady.
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>Only two footers can ride the gas. I see it all of the time upon take off.
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>You can drive how you feel is right. You said it yourself that you learned to drive two footed as the automatics were getting popular. so, no one new the best way to drive them yet. It was trial & error. They don't teach two footed driving in drivers ed. That alone should tell you something about two foot driving.
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>Here's what I found doing a quick search of two feet driving:
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>Some people seem to drive with two left feet, figuratively. But those who actually drive an automatic with both feet worry me.
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>Since most newer drivers have never touched a stickshift vehicle, I doubt it has anything to do with a “restless left foot” from transitioning to an automatic. (I’ve driven both and find that rationale to be nonsense.)
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>From a legal standpoint, using two feet isn’t specifically prohibited. But if you lose control and cause a collision, you could be charged with careless driving or dangerous driving causing bodily harm/death, if applicable.
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>Police can’t see your feet as you drive anyhow, unless, perhaps, you’re in an open top Jeep with doors removed, but two-footed drivers typically give themselves away by their constantly lit or blinking brake lights as they drive along.
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>Two-footed driving is, I believe, most often practised by novice drivers who falsely believe they’ve discovered a better, more efficient way to drive than everyone else. In reality, two-footed driving is completely unnecessary because you can just plant your right heel on the floor and pivot between gas and brake, so it really doesn’t save you any effort.
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>Two-footed driving is extremely dangerous because during emergency maneuvers, the driver may inadvertently step on the wrong pedal, or step on both simultaneously. In a crisis, we automatically do what we’ve been trained to do. If you’ve made it a habit to use your left foot for braking, then that’s what your brain will opt to do when trouble arises – and that mistake can be fatal.
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>Years ago, I recall a newly-licensed family friend regretfully admitting that she mistakenly stomped on the gas instead of the brake at a red light and then, in a panic, used her left foot (as was her habit) to apply the brake – but without releasing the gas pedal with her right foot. The gas pedal counteracted the braking effort and she seriously injured herself and others in the collision that she caused.
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>It takes 30 days to make or break a habit and, after she got out of hospital, she broke that dangerous habit for good.
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>Incidentally, street racers need not write in. I’m aware that stomping both pedals simultaneously while stopped may hold the vehicle in place as the (rear) drive wheels spin and “burn rubber.” Her auto was in motion, at speed, so the application of both pedals at the same time greatly reduced the effectiveness of the brakes and she was unable to stop in time.
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>On Sunday, August 18, 2013 4:33:57 PM UTC-4, T0m $herman wrote:
>> On 8/18/2013 2:54 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
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>> > your first bike had coaster brakes... do you eschew their lack on
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>> > modern 21 speeds?
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>> 20 (10x2), 22 (11x2) or 30 (10x3) while MTB are usually 27 (9x3) or 30
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>> > I never ride the brakes anymore then you ride your accelerator pedal
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>> > when you are stopped at a stop light - at least I assume you can tell
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>> What about power-braking, so we can turn our expensive tires into clouds
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>> of noxious smoke while waiting for the lights to change?
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>> --
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>> T0m $herm@n

On Monday, August 19, 2013 2:56:38 AM UTC-4, Ashton Crusher wrote:
> What a silly bunch of twaddle. Tell me how your Uncle shot himself in
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> the foot with his pistol and that it means no one should ever carry a
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> pistol.

My Uncle wouldn't be stupid enough to do that. Not sure about yours. It means some people should be carrying a gun. Just because their is one idiot, doesn't mean everyone is one.

Like I said, if you don't have the skill don't do it. As to
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> safety, just how many folks do you need to have ram thru the front of
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> stores because they THOUGHT their RIGHT foot was on the brake but was
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> really on the accel pedal when they tried to STOP. If they had
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> learned to use BOTH feet, left to brake, right to go, those kinds of
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> accidents simply wouldn't happen. Probably 90% of drivers drive
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> automatics but you think they should just let that left foot stay
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> planted on the floor because they might get confused if they were to

bunch of bs. 95% of those people who get confused are elderly. sounds like you are getting up there as well. Just be careful.


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apples & oranges. I'm not driving 200+mph. ask them how they drive their regular cars. I bet they don't two foot it.


I guess you missed this statement, or you chose to ignore it.

>Two-footed driving is extremely dangerous because during emergency maneuvers, the driver may inadvertently step on the wrong pedal, or step on both simultaneously. In a crisis, we automatically do what we’ve been trained to do. If you’ve made it a habit to use your left foot for braking, then that’s what your brain will opt to do when trouble arises – and that mistake can be fatal.


You don't tense up when in an accident situation??? The way you drive you'll be pressing on the brake & gas at the same time. Tell me I'm wrong. You can't!

I know nothing I can say will change your mind. Like I said it's not about being skilled, it's about being safe.

On Monday, August 19, 2013 7:22:01 AM UTC-5, m6onz5a wrote:
> On Monday, August 19, 2013 2:56:38 AM UTC-4, Ashton Crusher wrote:
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> I know nothing I can say will change your mind. Like I said it's not about being skilled, it's about being safe.

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On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 05:22:01 -0700 (PDT), m6onz5a
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>I know nothing I can say will change your mind. Like I said it's not about being skilled, it's about being safe.
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This really isn't worth arguing about. If you want to left foot
brake, and have the coordination skills required, which aren't much at
all, do it.

If you have that minimal coordination, left foot braking works fine.
The only "wrong pedal" argument I buy from those opposed to left foot
braking isn't even "wrong pedal," It's having the right foot above
the accelerator in a frontal accident. Inertia can force your foot to
press it at impact. But it probably won't make a difference anyway.
All the other arguments about pressing the wrong pedal only apply to
those with bad coordination and/or "panickers."

I saw myself getting rear--ended once after making a highway emergency
stop. Saw the guy coming for me in the rear-view. He was nose-diving
and on the brakes. I was in an auto and took my foot off the brake.
Had a stopped car about 10 feet ahead of me. Right after impact I
stabbed the brakes and stopped a few feet short of the guy ahead.
Wouldn't matter if I was left or right foot braking. Just have to
know where your feet are going. Most people do.

Here's something nobody seems to mention. Even on my GM autos, which
have pretty wide brake pedals, I'd have to keep my legs closer
together to left hand brake. I like keeping my legs apart.
My left foot is usually propped against the left wheelwell.
That's probably the main reason I don't left hand brake.
Could be I drove mostly sticks early on too.

So I give up a little reaction time, but compensate for that with my
driving style, which is likewise relaxed and keeps distance.
But plenty of times I drove cars that would die at stops/lights and
used left hand braking, goosing the accelerator.
With autos AND sticks. Never a problem.

In fact the ONLY time I had a pedal problem was when my kid converted
the auto in his Corsica to a hydraulic clutch Getrag.
The pedals were small and close in the assembly, the brake pedal was
low, and my feet are wide. Besides that he had some bright yellow
plastic pads on the pedals. Blew the first stop sign I came to, going
halfway into the intersection. I was cussing like hell trying to stop
that thing. He said, "You're pressing the gas!" and I was.
I got out and told him to drive. Worked for him, but totally
unacceptable to me, and I never got in that driver's seat again.

Here's my "uncoordinated' moves, none that pose any danger.
1. Left leg jumping when moving from a stick to an auto.
2. Hand putting keys to column instead of dash. Or vice versa.
3. Hand reaching for console instead of column shift, Or vice.
4. Hands looking for lights/wipers in wrong place. Total confusion.
Those only happen once when switching cars.

5. Riding shotgun with any driver. Can't stop braking.

On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 05:22:01 -0700 (PDT), m6onz5a
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>On Monday, August 19, 2013 2:56:38 AM UTC-4, Ashton Crusher wrote:
>> What a silly bunch of twaddle. Tell me how your Uncle shot himself in
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>> the foot with his pistol and that it means no one should ever carry a
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>> pistol.
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>My Uncle wouldn't be stupid enough to do that. Not sure about yours. It means some people should be carrying a gun. Just because their is one idiot, doesn't mean everyone is one.
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> Like I said, if you don't have the skill don't do it. As to
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>> safety, just how many folks do you need to have ram thru the front of
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>> stores because they THOUGHT their RIGHT foot was on the brake but was
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>> really on the accel pedal when they tried to STOP. If they had
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>> learned to use BOTH feet, left to brake, right to go, those kinds of
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>> accidents simply wouldn't happen. Probably 90% of drivers drive
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>> automatics but you think they should just let that left foot stay
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>> planted on the floor because they might get confused if they were to
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>bunch of bs. 95% of those people who get confused are elderly. sounds like you are getting up there as well. Just be careful.
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So your answer to the "confusion" is to have them continue to use a
"system" of one foot for BOTH functions that's MORE confusing then
keeping the functions separate. Unbelievable.


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>apples & oranges. I'm not driving 200+mph. ask them how they drive their regular cars. I bet they don't two foot it.
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The point is made, you can drive BETTER by using two feet. If it
weren't true they wouldn't be doing it.


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>I guess you missed this statement, or you chose to ignore it.
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>>Two-footed driving is extremely dangerous because during emergency maneuvers, the driver may inadvertently step on the wrong pedal, or step on both simultaneously. In a crisis, we automatically do what we’ve been trained to do. If you’ve made it a habit to use your left foot for braking, then that’s what your brain will opt to do when trouble arises – and that mistake can be fatal.
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>You don't tense up when in an accident situation??? The way you drive you'll be pressing on the brake & gas at the same time. Tell me I'm wrong. You can't!
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>I know nothing I can say will change your mind. Like I said it's not about being skilled, it's about being safe.
>

Another silly bit of nonsense. So now your theory is someone will
"tense up" and do the wrong thing. Well gee wiz, what makes you think
the person using ONE foot doesn't "tense up" and mash the accelerator
pedal when he meant to hit the brake, or hit the brake when he meant
to hit the accelerator pedal.

It's about both. Using two feet, instead of letting one of them
dangle uselessly, improves safety, no question about it. But it takes
the development of the skill, just as using one foot takes the
development of that skill. Neither skill is particularly difficult to
learn but ONE of them is easily shown to be better on two counts.

1 - there is LESS confusion over what to do, each foot has ONE task.
How many more unintended acceleration investigations do you need to
realize that some of you one foot drivers are killers who can't tell
their gas pedal from their acceleration pedal?

2 - if you learn the skill well, you learn to pre-position your foot
over teh brake in situations that had you only been using one foot you
would have kept it on the accelerator pedal. With two feet you can
keep the right foot in place, just as a one foot drive would, AND
pre-position the left foot. Should a problem develop you will have
shaved a portion of a second off your reaction-action time for
braking. When every second at 60 mph means 88 feet of travel, even
shaving a quarter second off the reaction-action time means you stop
22 feet sooner then that guy using just the one foot will do. This is
the same benefit the F1 Drivers are using.

And no, nothing you will say will change my mind because I am skilled
at driving either way and know from decades of experience that using
two feet when you have them available makes for safer driving then
letting the left foot sit on the floor uselessly while you yank your
right foot back and forth back and forth back and forth.

On 8/19/2013 7:23 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 05:22:01 -0700 (PDT), m6onz5a
> > wrote:
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>> On Monday, August 19, 2013 2:56:38 AM UTC-4, Ashton Crusher wrote:
>>> What a silly bunch of twaddle. Tell me how your Uncle shot himself in
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>>> the foot with his pistol and that it means no one should ever carry a
>>>
>>> pistol.
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>> My Uncle wouldn't be stupid enough to do that. Not sure about yours. It means some people should be carrying a gun. Just because their is one idiot, doesn't mean everyone is one.
>>
>> Like I said, if you don't have the skill don't do it. As to
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>>> safety, just how many folks do you need to have ram thru the front of
>>>
>>> stores because they THOUGHT their RIGHT foot was on the brake but was
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>>> really on the accel pedal when they tried to STOP. If they had
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>>> learned to use BOTH feet, left to brake, right to go, those kinds of
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>>> accidents simply wouldn't happen. Probably 90% of drivers drive
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>>> automatics but you think they should just let that left foot stay
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>>> planted on the floor because they might get confused if they were to
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>> bunch of bs. 95% of those people who get confused are elderly. sounds like you are getting up there as well. Just be careful.
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>
> So your answer to the "confusion" is to have them continue to use a
> "system" of one foot for BOTH functions that's MORE confusing then
> keeping the functions separate. Unbelievable.
>
>
>>
>>>
>>> drive a manual, even thought the last time they drove a manual, if
>>>
>>> ever, was 40 years ago.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Guess how the vast majority of F1 drivers use their feet.....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> apples & oranges. I'm not driving 200+mph. ask them how they drive their regular cars. I bet they don't two foot it.
>>
>
> The point is made, you can drive BETTER by using two feet. If it
> weren't true they wouldn't be doing it.
>
>
>>
>> I guess you missed this statement, or you chose to ignore it.
>>
>>> Two-footed driving is extremely dangerous because during emergency maneuvers, the driver may inadvertently step on the wrong pedal, or step on both simultaneously. In a crisis, we automatically do what we’ve been trained to do. If you’ve made it a habit to use your left foot for braking, then that’s what your brain will opt to do when trouble arises – and that mistake can be fatal.
>>
>>
>> You don't tense up when in an accident situation??? The way you drive you'll be pressing on the brake & gas at the same time. Tell me I'm wrong. You can't!
>>
>> I know nothing I can say will change your mind. Like I said it's not about being skilled, it's about being safe.
>>
>
> Another silly bit of nonsense. So now your theory is someone will
> "tense up" and do the wrong thing. Well gee wiz, what makes you think
> the person using ONE foot doesn't "tense up" and mash the accelerator
> pedal when he meant to hit the brake, or hit the brake when he meant
> to hit the accelerator pedal.
>
> It's about both. Using two feet, instead of letting one of them
> dangle uselessly, improves safety, no question about it. But it takes
> the development of the skill, just as using one foot takes the
> development of that skill. Neither skill is particularly difficult to
> learn but ONE of them is easily shown to be better on two counts.
>
> 1 - there is LESS confusion over what to do, each foot has ONE task.
> How many more unintended acceleration investigations do you need to
> realize that some of you one foot drivers are killers who can't tell
> their gas pedal from their acceleration pedal?
>
> 2 - if you learn the skill well, you learn to pre-position your foot
> over teh brake in situations that had you only been using one foot you
> would have kept it on the accelerator pedal. With two feet you can
> keep the right foot in place, just as a one foot drive would, AND
> pre-position the left foot. Should a problem develop you will have
> shaved a portion of a second off your reaction-action time for
> braking. When every second at 60 mph means 88 feet of travel, even
> shaving a quarter second off the reaction-action time means you stop
> 22 feet sooner then that guy using just the one foot will do. This is
> the same benefit the F1 Drivers are using.
>
> And no, nothing you will say will change my mind because I am skilled
> at driving either way and know from decades of experience that using
> two feet when you have them available makes for safer driving then
> letting the left foot sit on the floor uselessly while you yank your
> right foot back and forth back and forth back and forth.
>
Most of my driving is with a manual transmission (which I learned on),
so my unconscious emergency braking response is going to be using my
right foot. Having my left foot in the way is not a good idea.

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