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Q45 won't start (cranks easily) how to diagnose?
replying to Alora Duncan, Paypaul wrote:
97 Q45 won’t start and I don’t hear the fuel pump I need to know where the fuel relay and control module is located -- for full context, visit http://www.motorsforum.com/nissan/q4...ose-12482-.htm |
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Q45 won't start (cranks easily) how to diagnose?
On 2017-10-16 12:18:01 +0000, Paypaul said:
> replying to Alora Duncan, Paypaul wrote: > 97 Q45 won’t start and I don’t hear the fuel pump I need to know where the > fuel relay and control module is located Easy ... your local Nissan service centre can (probably) quickly diagnose the problem. |
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Q45 won't start (cranks easily) how to diagnose?
On 17/10/2017 8:14 AM, Your Name wrote:
> On 2017-10-16 12:18:01 +0000, Paypaul said: > >> replying to AloraÂ* Duncan, PaypaulÂ* wrote: >> 97 Q45 won’t start and I don’t hear the fuel pump I need to know >> where the >> fuel relay and control module is located > > Easy ... your local Nissan service centre can (probably) quickly > diagnose the problem. > It never ceases to amaze me the number of people who think a code scanner is a panacea for all of a car's ills. What seems to be getting lost here is that error codes provide a start point, a *guide*, but they are not the be all and end all of matters diagnosis. The diagnostician still needs a very good working knowledge of all the underlying systems for, without that, the error codes are just *numbers* and can lead someone to waste inordinate amounts of time and money. -- Noddy! Have you made that call, sent that email? The number to call: 1300 304 064 The email address: Xeno |
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Q45 won't start (cranks easily) how to diagnose?
Your Name > wrote:
>On 2017-10-16 12:18:01 +0000, Paypaul said: > >> replying to Alora Duncan, Paypaul wrote: >> 97 Q45 won’t start and I don’t hear the fuel pump I need to know where the >> fuel relay and control module is located > >Easy ... your local Nissan service centre can (probably) quickly >diagnose the problem. Not if his local Nissan service center is anything like mine is. The service writer seems to have a preset list of services that every car needs. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Q45 won't start (cranks easily) how to diagnose?
On 2017-10-17 13:32:26 +0000, Scott Dorsey said:
> Your Name > wrote: >> On 2017-10-16 12:18:01 +0000, Paypaul said: >>> >>> replying to Alora Duncan, Paypaul wrote: >>> 97 Q45 won’t start and I don’t hear the fuel pump I need to know where the >>> fuel relay and control module is located >> >> Easy ... your local Nissan service centre can (probably) quickly >> diagnose the problem. > > Not if his local Nissan service center is anything like mine is. The service > writer seems to have a preset list of services that every car needs. Of course they do, in terms of the regular maintainence "service", but for repairs it's different. If your local centre can't do proper repairs, then either they are not really Nissan licensed or they shouldn't be. |
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Q45 won't start (cranks easily) how to diagnose?
Your Name > wrote:
>On 2017-10-17 13:32:26 +0000, Scott Dorsey said: >> Your Name > wrote: >>> On 2017-10-16 12:18:01 +0000, Paypaul said: >>>> >>>> replying to Alora Duncan, Paypaul wrote: >>>> 97 Q45 won’t start and I don’t hear the fuel pump I need to know where the >>>> fuel relay and control module is located >>> >>> Easy ... your local Nissan service centre can (probably) quickly >>> diagnose the problem. >> >> Not if his local Nissan service center is anything like mine is. The service >> writer seems to have a preset list of services that every car needs. > >Of course they do, in terms of the regular maintainence "service", but >for repairs it's different. If your local centre can't do proper >repairs, then either they are not really Nissan licensed or they >shouldn't be. They might be able to diagnose my X, but they are more worried about telling me that my Y and Z are about to fail and need immediate attention and that if I don't replace my windshield wipers for $75 the sky will fall on me. And that rip in the upholstery has to be fixed immediately, and those tires are not authorized tires from the dealer but are third-party tires that are suspicious and should be replaced. They don't _want_ to fix my car, they want to sell me a new car and take my car in as trade-in. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Q45 won't start (cranks easily) how to diagnose?
On 2017-10-17 21:35:21 +0000, Scott Dorsey said:
> Your Name > wrote: >> On 2017-10-17 13:32:26 +0000, Scott Dorsey said: >>> Your Name > wrote: >>>> On 2017-10-16 12:18:01 +0000, Paypaul said: >>>>> >>>>> replying to Alora Duncan, Paypaul wrote: >>>>> 97 Q45 won’t start and I don’t hear the fuel pump I need to know where the >>>>> fuel relay and control module is located >>>> >>>> Easy ... your local Nissan service centre can (probably) quickly >>>> diagnose the problem. >>> >>> Not if his local Nissan service center is anything like mine is. The service >>> writer seems to have a preset list of services that every car needs. >> >> Of course they do, in terms of the regular maintainence "service", but >> for repairs it's different. If your local centre can't do proper >> repairs, then either they are not really Nissan licensed or they >> shouldn't be. > > They might be able to diagnose my X, but they are more worried about telling > me that my Y and Z are about to fail and need immediate attention and that > if I don't replace my windshield wipers for $75 the sky will fall on me. > And that rip in the upholstery has to be fixed immediately, and those tires > are not authorized tires from the dealer but are third-party tires that are > suspicious and should be replaced. They don't _want_ to fix my car, they > want to sell me a new car and take my car in as trade-in. Maybe you should report them to Nissan (and/or the Automobile Association, etc.) and get their license revoked ... as well as finding another service centre, which may be impossible in smaller towns. Here in New Zealand we have the various licensed Nissan dealers, but also independent repair centres (both nationwide chains and small individual companies) who are certified by the Motor Trade Association as being legitimate and responsible (as well as insured) ... too many complaints that can be substantiated, and the repair centre gets their certificate revoked, although they can technically keep trading, they can't display the MTA certificate on the wall which *should* deter any potential customer with some sense from using them. |
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Q45 won't start (cranks easily) how to diagnose?
Your Name wrote:
> On 2017-10-17 21:35:21 +0000, Scott Dorsey said: >> Your Name > wrote: >>> On 2017-10-17 13:32:26 +0000, Scott Dorsey said: >>>> Your Name > wrote: >>>>> On 2017-10-16 12:18:01 +0000, Paypaul said: >>>>>> replying to Alora Duncan, Paypaul wrote: >>>>>> 97 Q45 won’t start and I don’t hear the fuel pump I need to know where the >>>>>> fuel relay and control module is located >>>>> Easy ... your local Nissan service centre can (probably) quickly >>>>> diagnose the problem. >>>> Not if his local Nissan service center is anything like mine is. The service >>>> writer seems to have a preset list of services that every car needs. >>> Of course they do, in terms of the regular maintainence "service", but >>> for repairs it's different. If your local centre can't do proper >>> repairs, then either they are not really Nissan licensed or they >>> shouldn't be. >> They might be able to diagnose my X, but they are more worried about telling >> me that my Y and Z are about to fail and need immediate attention and that >> if I don't replace my windshield wipers for $75 the sky will fall on me. >> And that rip in the upholstery has to be fixed immediately, and those tires >> are not authorized tires from the dealer but are third-party tires that are >> suspicious and should be replaced. They don't _want_ to fix my car, they >> want to sell me a new car and take my car in as trade-in. > > Maybe you should report them to Nissan (and/or the Automobile > Association, etc.) and get their license revoked ... as well as finding > another service centre, which may be impossible in smaller towns. > > Here in New Zealand we have the various licensed Nissan dealers, but > also independent repair centres (both nationwide chains and small > individual companies) who are certified by the Motor Trade Association > as being legitimate and responsible (as well as insured) ... too many > complaints that can be substantiated, and the repair centre gets their > certificate revoked, although they can technically keep trading, they > can't display the MTA certificate on the wall which *should* deter any > potential customer with some sense from using them. > > Doesn't happen here. This is the shorthand version of becoming a dealer in the US. The dealer hands the manufacturer a boatload of cash to buy the franchise. The manufacturer gives them a list of tools they need and the training schedule for factory classes. They will send or a few folks to help the dealer get set up and test them on a few repairs and they are in business. If there are complaints to the manufacturer the dealer will be approached and told "Don't do that again" The manufacturers rep will talk to the vehicle owner and offer them free service or a set of floor mats or something equally mundane. The customer thinks they won, the dealer stays in business and the company is happy. If the mistake is REALLY bad they might fire the guy mopping the floors as a show of faith to the vehicle owner.... Actually diagnosing the cars problems, if they are beyond the easy stuff falls to the one guy the dealer pays to show up and do that job. Some don't even do that. They will load up the "trouble cars" and take them to a central location or even to a different shop for the actual diagnostic work to be done by an outside party. -- Steve W. |
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You hit the nail on the head. I hate the way they operate, but what can you do…
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