balance and fade

Got new used car with new used radio

Regarding balance and fade contols, which pop out for adjustment and
then can be pushed in, so that only a little sticks out:

"Adjust the balance (or fade, for the other button) and push the button
back in. The balance (or fade) will be displayed and continuously
updated while the button is pressed".

What does this mean?

How can it update the fade or balance setting? Is the knob not a direct
adjustment but something that controls an electronic circuit? I can see
that could be, but what standards would it use for modifying the balance
and fade? Would it use sensors to tell which seats are occupied? I've
thought about that for years** but if any car did this, I'd have thought
I would have heard about it.

Right now, both adjustments are in the middle, and maybe I'd see
something on the display if I turned one of them, but I'm asking here
first.

**GM cars did and maybe do use the Right Rear speakers to provide the
same channel as the Left Front (and Left Rear and Right Front had the
Right channel) and they did this to make up for the fact that almost
everyone sits in a corner of the car. I had GM cars for 21 years
although maybe the first ones (1965) didn't have a stereo radio? I'm
sure the '67 and '73e did and the sound was fine.

micky wrote:
> Got new used car with new used radio
>
> Regarding balance and fade contols, which pop out for adjustment and
> then can be pushed in, so that only a little sticks out:
>
> "Adjust the balance (or fade, for the other button) and push the button
> back in. The balance (or fade) will be displayed and continuously
> updated while the button is pressed".
>
> What does this mean?

Can you rotate the button with finger tip while pushing on it or when pushed in?

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 5 Jul 2017 09:53:05 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at 10:45:04 AM UTC-4, micky wrote:
>> Got new used car with new used radio
>>
>> Regarding balance and fade contols, which pop out for adjustment and
>> then can be pushed in, so that only a little sticks out:
>>
>> "Adjust the balance (or fade, for the other button) and push the button
>> back in. The balance (or fade) will be displayed and continuously
>> updated while the button is pressed".
>>
>> What does this mean?
>>
>> How can it update the fade or balance setting? Is the knob not a direct
>> adjustment but something that controls an electronic circuit?
>
>Regardless of type, it's always controlled an electronic circuit.

I thought I was clear enough. I'm differentiating a pot that adjusts
the input to a midstage or output transistor and does no more than
adjust volume or a double pot that increase volume in one pair of
speakers while decreasing it in another versus one that controls a more
complicated circuit

>The old style were analog, with the control knob being a potentiometer
>that changed the resistance in the analog amp circuit.
>The new style which have been around now for decades, the knob
>is an input to the digital controller, with cpu smarts, that reads
>it and then does the adjustment. Not sure exactly how it works,
>but would suspect it's a switch that when rotated sends pulses.
>
> I can see
>> that could be, but what standards would it use for modifying the balance
>> and fade? Would it use sensors to tell which seats are occupied? I've
>> thought about that for years** but if any car did this, I'd have thought
>> I would have heard about it.
>
>IDK how advanced they are in cars, it clearly would depend on what
>car you're talking about. For home system, yes there are sophisticated
>adjustment systems that use feedback to try to correct for the room
>and environment. You might see that on a MB, IDK. But for a basic
>car, it works like the old style,

Apparently not, or the words in the owners manual would not be there.

> you adjust it to your liking.
>That's always been enough for me.

If that's all it had, that would be enough, but it claims to have more.
Wouldn''t you want to understand your car's features?
>
>>
>> Right now, both adjustments are in the middle, and maybe I'd see
>> something on the display if I turned one of them, but I'm asking here
>> first.
>>
>
>Good thing, God forbid, the car might explode if you fiddled with
>that fader to see how it works.

I suspected that the display would not actually show anthing more than
it had shown so far and I went for a drive between my first post and
this one, and in fact it didn't show anything, not for FM, cassette, or
CD.

In rec.autos.tech, on Wed, 05 Jul 2017 16:24:53 -0500, Paul in Houston
TX > wrote:

>micky wrote:
>> Got new used car with new used radio
>>
>> Regarding balance and fade contols, which pop out for adjustment and
>> then can be pushed in, so that only a little sticks out:
>>
>> "Adjust the balance (or fade, for the other button) and push the button
>> back in. The balance (or fade) will be displayed and continuously
>> updated while the button is pressed".
>>
>> What does this mean?
>
>Can you rotate the button with finger tip while pushing on it or when pushed in?

I went for a diver after I posted, and No, I couldnt' get a grip.

I googled "will be displayed and continuously updated while the button
is pressed" and didn't get any good hits. Maybe when the shop manual
arrives it will discuss this, but I very much doubt it. They never say
how the radio works, only how to remove it.

I guess the next stop is a Chrysler forum. I see all 3 Sebring Yahoo
lists have been dormant for almost 2 years, and I hate webforums, but I
will try a yahoo list and a forum. .
>

micky wrote:
> In rec.autos.tech, on Wed, 05 Jul 2017 16:24:53 -0500, Paul in Houston
> TX > wrote:
>
>> micky wrote:
>>> Got new used car with new used radio
>>>
>>> Regarding balance and fade contols, which pop out for adjustment and
>>> then can be pushed in, so that only a little sticks out:
>>>
>>> "Adjust the balance (or fade, for the other button) and push the button
>>> back in. The balance (or fade) will be displayed and continuously
>>> updated while the button is pressed".
>>>
>>> What does this mean?
>> Can you rotate the button with finger tip while pushing on it or when pushed in?
>
> I went for a diver after I posted, and No, I couldnt' get a grip.
>
> I googled "will be displayed and continuously updated while the button
> is pressed" and didn't get any good hits. Maybe when the shop manual
> arrives it will discuss this, but I very much doubt it. They never say
> how the radio works, only how to remove it.
>
> I guess the next stop is a Chrysler forum. I see all 3 Sebring Yahoo
> lists have been dormant for almost 2 years, and I hate webforums, but I
> will try a yahoo list and a forum. .
>


It's a simple digital control. When you push in and release the knob
pops out and you are adjusting whichever control you are moving. It will
display that adjustment as you are making it, then switch back to the
default display a couple seconds after you stop moving the control. For
instance if you are adjusting the balance the control, it just shifts
the input signals to the final amp to "move" the sound in the direction
you are turning the knob. Pushing it in does nothing except locks the
knob in place so you don't hit it by accident.

Same thing with the fader and bass/treble controls. Now if you have the
uplevel stereo it does have auto volume control that raises the volume
as speed increases but that's about it.

I hope you ordered the correct book, The Sebring is an interesting car.
First generation convertibles were built on a modified Mitsubishi
Galant platform but used components for the Talon while the coupes were
basically re-skinned Mitsubishi Eclipses.
The second generations were still Eclipses for the coupes but a Chrysler
platform was now used under the convertible and sedan.
The last models of sedan and convertible used a newer Chrysler platform.

It can get REAL interesting when you try to get parts if you forget to
say coupe, sedan or convertible. Plus the model year changes to the
drive train make it handy to know the build date...


--
Steve W.

On Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at 4:45:00 AM UTC-10, micky wrote:
> Got new used car with new used radio
>
> Regarding balance and fade contols, which pop out for adjustment and
> then can be pushed in, so that only a little sticks out:
>
> "Adjust the balance (or fade, for the other button) and push the button
> back in. The balance (or fade) will be displayed and continuously
> updated while the button is pressed".
>
> What does this mean?
>
> How can it update the fade or balance setting? Is the knob not a direct
> adjustment but something that controls an electronic circuit? I can see
> that could be, but what standards would it use for modifying the balance
> and fade? Would it use sensors to tell which seats are occupied? I've
> thought about that for years** but if any car did this, I'd have thought
> I would have heard about it.
>
> Right now, both adjustments are in the middle, and maybe I'd see
> something on the display if I turned one of them, but I'm asking here
> first.
>
> **GM cars did and maybe do use the Right Rear speakers to provide the
> same channel as the Left Front (and Left Rear and Right Front had the
> Right channel) and they did this to make up for the fact that almost
> everyone sits in a corner of the car. I had GM cars for 21 years
> although maybe the first ones (1965) didn't have a stereo radio? I'm
> sure the '67 and '73e did and the sound was fine.

This is what happens when people insist on reading the car manual - mass confusion. Had you not read it, you would have figured that out that pushing the button in causes the shaft to pop out to make an adjustment. You would then push the shaft in to lock it in place and make it harder to accidentally mess up the setting. My guess is that you get a readout of the current setting when you push the button in. This is a handy feature and easily confirmed. Good luck - you're gonna need it.