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Idea of the muscle car is dead (Or, why Ford can't sell cars now)
On Aug 6, 9:20*pm, wrote:
> On Aug 5, 9:21 pm, "WindsorFox<SS>" > wrote: > > > >>>> God help the USA if we have a left leaning President and a left leaning > > >>>> Congress in control! > > >>> After the last 7+ painful years, I say bring it... > > >> * *You've got it. > > > Whew... thank you! > > > We went so far right we went right into a ditch. *I say it's time we > > > yank it left to get us back on the road. *Then if/when we go into the > > > ditch on the left side we can pull it back to the right again. > > >> You'll either have a left leaning "Republican" > > > I think McCain is good guy and one that can work both sides of the > > > isle... something we desperately need. > > >> or a left leaning "Muslim." > > > Religion doesn't determine a person's character. *(And, not that it > > > matters, but you know he's Catholic, right?) > > * * I know he was raised in a Muslim school, > > I knows these days, in this country, the constant media drumbeat is: > > Muslim = Terrorist > > And it's B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T! > > I've lived in a 98% Muslim country, twice, for a total of almost three > years, and my experience is that they are some of the most friendly, > caring, warm-hearted and family-oriented people I've ever met. *I'll > go further and say I wish our society here in American was even half > as good. *And I'll finish this by saying I could/can ramble on for > hours (please ask me to) telling stories about how well my family and > I were treated by the "terrible Muslims". > > > his family is Muslim and/or > > atheist > > "and/or"? *Wow. > > FYI -- they believe in a supreme being. > > > and I know he attended a Christian church where he never heard a > > *thing* the pastor said.... Long drawn out nasty story. > > How would you know what he heard? *And of that what he agreed or > disagreed with? > > > And though you are generally correct about character I'll just leave it at I > > disapprove of him for a number of reasons. > > Fine. *But realize he is one of our/America's brightest (he graduated > from Harvard with top honors), and could have picked any law firm he > wanted to work for (cha ching!!), yet, instead he went into public > service. > > And McCain is an outstanding American too. *(Though the Bush campaign > team destroyed his character/war record back in 2000, like they later > did to Kerry in 2004. *Sad.) > > > > Obama is another good guy, and I think he has the potential to be a > > > great president. *That is as long as some Neanderthal doesn't > > > assassinate him first... > > * * Except that oil prices and taxes will likely go so high > > Oil prices -- like double or triple in price? *What was the price of > gas again around the year 2000? *And what is it now? > > > that normal > > people will not be able to afford to live. > > Seems anymore the Republicans spend the money (always leave with huge > deficits) and the Democrats end up having to pay for it (balance the > budget). *Who's the "conservative" party, again? > > > At least McCain has not > > admitted to wanting to raise taxes *that I've heard*, and he talks about > > tangible things to do. > > Campaign promises. *Even if you 'read their lips', I wouldn't bank on > them. > > > Obama talks about nothing but change. When you > > ask what change he says change for the GOOD! *Well hell, how can you > > argue with that? > > The fact of the matter is neither guy really knows what they can or > can't do until they sit in the oval office. > > Patrick The causal contribution of the Bush White House to the mortgage mess, the price of gasoline and food, and the weakness in the economy is most certainly not due to its devotion to conservative principles. The Bush maxim, "If someone hurts government's gotta move," is the polar opposite of conservatism. 180 degrees out, you might say. The 60% growth in the federal budget in seven years, the runup in food prices, and the disastrous nation-building adventure in Iraq came to pass for two principal reasons: one, that Bush is a buffoon, and two, that we had a unified government (the same party in control of both the White House and Congress) for most of the Bush years. These things, and any other Bushist disaster you care to mention, are 100% not due to Bush's "conservatism." I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks Bush is a conservative, or even that he is right of center, either does not know the definition of conservatism, has not been paying attention or thinking for himself, or is an idiot. He's probably all of the above. The correct analysis in any presidential election is, who ranks the lowest on the scale of buffoonery/amateurism/foolishness, and which party has control of Congress? Unified government is the greatest evil of all, at least among those evils we can easily control. Since the Republicans have managed to manuver themselves out of a congressional majority for the foreseeable future, the choice of McCain for President is automatic. On the buffoonery scale, Obama's promises that his administration is going to blow up the role of federal government, e.g., in the regulation of greenhouse gas emissions and in the federal takeover of the 20% of GDP that is the health care sector, at the same time as he intends to exclude the representatives of the affected industries from any role whatsoever in the writing of the thousands of pages of laws and regulations that these takeovers will require, gives him the edge in a walk. In fact we should retire the trophy -- after we have inscribed with the names of all the Obamaniacs who think it's a good idea to have the amateurs who actually write our laws do so without any input whatsoever on the part of the affected industries. How the f**k is that a good idea? It's nuts. As to all the rest of the Obama agenda, he is more and more a stealth candidate, a blank slate blathering generalities that each listener can fill in with whatever content matches his personal values. That is the most dangerous candidate of all. That is exactly what we have in President Bush -- a content-free vessel interested in only one thing: power. McCain is not a lot better on the buffoonery scale. But his small margin in this area, combined with the giganitc benefit of the divided government that his election would bring for at least four years, if not eight, makes him the far better choice of the two. Put it this way: if you want to see another eight years with a 60% growth in federal spending and a no-holds barred assault on personal liberty in the form of Big Government interference in every nook and cranny of our private lives, vote for Obama. Obama truly represents the third and fourth terms of the Bushist regime. The difference will be a fine-tuning in the quality of the Big Government disasters that we will experience, but the quantity will be the same if not greater. 180 Out |
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Idea of the muscle car is dead (Or, why Ford can't sell carsnow)
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:30:36 -0400, "dwight" >
wrote: > wrote in message ... >> On Jul 31, 12:38 pm, "dwight" > wrote: >> >>> I have to believe that there are two major considerations in NOT buying a >>> Mustang. >> >>> 1. Insurance. The rates for a V8 engine are killer for young people. >>> Hell, >>> I'm an old fart, and I still pay a penalty for having a V8, one that puts >>> my >>> rates on a 1993 Mustang right up there with my wife's new 2007 Escape. I >>> get >>> a break on the insurance for the convertible, because I can't drive both >>> cars at the same time, otherwise, I'd have to seriously consider keeping >>> two! >> >> But doing a little street racing in a V8 pony car on the way to get a >> gallon of milk is relatively cheap entertainment. > >I try to be good around the neighborhood. I really do. > >>> 2. Young people usually mean young families. I've lost count of how many >>> people have said that they had to sell off their Mustangs when they had >>> kids. To me, that's a lame excuse, since the back seat of a Mustang isn't >>> much good for anything BUT kids, but it must be the whole >>> access-to-the-back-seat-in-a-coupe thing that makes them go away. It's so >>> much easier to transport children in a 4-door sedan, minivan, or SUV. >> >> But I've read women are having kids/family at a much later age now. >> It's more like late 20s/30s than early 20s. > >Even MORE of a reason to avoide a coupe. Imagine a bunch of broken down >30-somethings trying to shepherd small children in and out of that back >seat. I haven't even SEEN the back seat in the Mustang since I topped 50. I didn't realize you were suicidal :0) "a bunch of broken down 30-somethings"???? It's just possible you may never see the back seat of anything with comments like that. LOL I feel sorry for you :0) I've seen the back seat looking up, and I've seen it looking down, and sideway. Guess it's part of reliving my younger days when it didn't matter which seat you were in as much as it mattered who you were with and what you were doing. LOL :0) > >>> Those of us who are kidless and have the means can look to Mustangs, >>> certainly, but a V8 coupe doesn't fit the needs for a lot of the younger >>> ones. >> >> It fits if the Mustang has a hatchback. >> >> Patrick > >It sure as hell fit ME. I always quote your line - the ultimate sport >utility vehicle. Unfortunately, the youngest Mustangs with a hatchback are >now 15 years old, and not a consideration for today's booming babyers. > >dwight > |
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Idea of the muscle car is dead (Or, why Ford can't sell cars now)
On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:21:34 -0500, "WindsorFox<SS>"
> wrote: wrote: >> On Aug 4, 10:39 pm, "WindsorFox<SS>" > wrote: >> >>>>> God help the USA if we have a left leaning President and a left leaning >>>>> Congress in control! >> >>>> After the last 7+ painful years, I say bring it... >> SNIP >>> or a left leaning "Muslim." >> >> Religion doesn't determine a person's character. (And, not that it >> matters, but you know he's Catholic, right?) > > I know he was raised in a Muslim school, his family is Muslim and/or >atheist and I know he attended a Christian church where he never heard a >*thing* the pastor said.... Long drawn out nasty story. And though you >are generally correct about character I'll just leave it at I disapprove >of him for a number of reasons. Well put. In the words of Vladimir Lenin...... Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted. -Vladimir Lenin Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever. -Vladimir Lenin No, I'm not a Commie. Sun Tzu (c. 544*496 BC) in "Sun Tzu: Art of War" advised that in order to win, one must know the enemy. Look up Liberation Theology and you find that it was an ideal started in South America by Catholic clergy to fight social injustice by the "distribution of wealth" using a Marxist model in the 1950s. This is what Rev Wright preached, and what Obama absorbed for 20 years. Add that concept to the Muslim model of his "father" and you have a basis for change. It's change. He'll break a dollar for you and you'll still owe 90 cents for the priviledge. > > >> >> Obama is another good guy, and I think he has the potential to be a >> great president. That is as long as some Neanderthal doesn't >> assassinate him first... Which is better? To take a chance on the devil you know, or to take a chance on the devil you don't know? >> > > Except that oil prices and taxes will likely go so high that normal >people will not be able to afford to live. At least McCain has not >admitted to wanting to raise taxes *that I've heard*, and he talks about >tangible things to do. Obama talks about nothing but change. When you >ask what change he says change for the GOOD! Well hell, how can you >argue with that? |
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Idea of the muscle car is dead (Or, why Ford can't sell cars now)
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:16:25 -0700, "Les Benn" > wrote:
> > wrote in message ... >> On Jul 31, 1:42 pm, Spike > wrote: >> >>> God help the USA if we have a left leaning President and a left leaning >>> Congress in >>> control! >> >> After the last 7+ painful years, I say bring it... >> >> Patrick > >Yep while they fly overhead in the Lear and Cessna Citations and flip us the >bird. I assume you heard the dems was all upset that they could not get >discounted gas by draining the city gas in Chicago for their convention, >since city gas has no taxes on it. > >what the dems want is us in horses and buggies so they can commute by jet >and limo > Awwww. Ya been listening to that Dear Leader Al Gore again. :0) LOL "Ask not what you can do for your country; ask what you can do for me!" |
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Idea of the muscle car is dead (Or, why Ford can't sell cars now)
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:33:52 -0400, "dwight" >
wrote: >"Les Benn" > wrote in message ... >> >> > wrote in message >> ... >>> On Jul 31, 1:42 pm, Spike > wrote: >>> >>>> God help the USA if we have a left leaning President and a left leaning >>>> Congress in >>>> control! >>> >>> After the last 7+ painful years, I say bring it... >>> >>> Patrick >> >> Yep while they fly overhead in the Lear and Cessna Citations and flip us >> the bird. I assume you heard the dems was all upset that they could not >> get discounted gas by draining the city gas in Chicago for their >> convention, since city gas has no taxes on it. >> >> what the dems want is us in horses and buggies so they can commute by jet >> and limo > >Sure, blame a political party, as if the entire party was unified in its >hyperenvironmentalism. Way to think in two-dimensional terms. > >Anybody else hear about Nissan's plans to use a push-back accelerator pedal >to curb drivers who feel frisky? It's another way to increase fuel mileage, >by disallowing brisk acceleration. > >What good is a car with 300hp, if you can't use 'em? > >dwight > Makes a good paperweight? It's a nice place for a trucker to park his rig when you can't accelerate quick enough to get out of his way? |
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"Spike" > wrote in message
... > On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:30:36 -0400, "dwight" > > wrote: > >>Even MORE of a reason to avoide a coupe. Imagine a bunch of broken down >>30-somethings trying to shepherd small children in and out of that back >>seat. I haven't even SEEN the back seat in the Mustang since I topped 50. > > I didn't realize you were suicidal :0) "a bunch of broken down > 30-somethings"???? It's just possible you may never see the back seat > of anything with comments like that. LOL > > I feel sorry for you :0) I've seen the back seat looking up, and I've > seen it looking down, and sideway. Guess it's part of reliving my > younger days when it didn't matter which seat you were in as much as > it mattered who you were with and what you were doing. LOL :0) Oh, man... I haven't even WANTED to do certain things in a car since I was able to have my own place. Sure, there was a 1972 Pinto hatchback in my youth, but that was pre-apartment. Unless I was out shopping for professionals (and I'm not), there are plenty of far better environments than a too-small back seat in an automobile. As to all those broken-down 30-somethings, the airwaves are chock full of commercials for pain relievers to take care of ALL of their aches, real and imagined. ) |
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