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  #11  
Old December 20th 08, 08:50 PM posted to alt.autos.nissan,alt.autos.toyota,rec.autos.makers.honda,alt.autos.gm,alt.autos.ford
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I would rather keep my dollar HERE making for a stronger Canadian economy
you self centered *******...

As for my dollars going to Japan? Two Fords, a Harley Davidson and a holiday
trailer made in ****ing Colorado are parked in my driveway and you have the
temerity to speak untruths???? My money goes to Japan? ****... even kittens
eventually open their eyes... FWIW, I'm a tech in a Ford store - in order to
pay those overpriced whining bastuhds, Ford has re-engineered the labour
rates that techs are paid for warranty repairs.... raped is about the best
word you could use there.

And now you are changing the tune you are playing... we have gone from
getting paid an appropriate wage to "losing jobs". The Japs are paying
assembly line labour pretty much what assembly line labour is worth... to
pretend it is worth more only drives the cost of the product higher...or
haven't you heard the term "inflation" before?


"Rock Hardson" > wrote in message
.com...
>
> > wrote in message
> news:Pnb3l.1181$Ve.564@edtnps82...
>> Stupid.... interesting term that could be applied to many different
>> groups of people...
>>
>> Stupid... as in customers continuing to pay prices that have been driven
>> high by over-priced wage packages for union workers? Come on... this is
>> assembly line work... put tab A in slot B... what rolls off the end of
>> the line could be a toaster, a car or Mattels latest toy... It ain't
>> rocket science.
>>
>> Someone is signing the cheque for this, doofus.... and that would be the
>> consumer...
>>
>> Where I live, we have a labour shortage.... our local McDonalds is
>> offering $13 per hour.... I wonder how many 99 cent burgers you need to
>> sell to make that idea profitable?
>>
>> I'm sure that all of your fellow Americans will love the hell out of you
>> calling them "ignorant".
>>

>
> What do you know about fellow Americans when you would rather see your
> dollars go to Japan rater than keep it here providing a stronger US
> economy. I bet you are one who would rather see 100s of thousands om
> AMERICANS lose jobs rather than bail out the US auto industry.



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  #12  
Old December 20th 08, 09:26 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.honda
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"Rock Hardson" > wrote:
> I got news for you, japanese are already in Mexico.
> The US is there because of the Bush/Clinton NAFTA sellout/New world
> Order BS


Oh, and don't forget the black helicopters.

  #13  
Old December 20th 08, 09:34 PM posted to alt.autos.nissan,alt.autos.toyota,rec.autos.makers.honda,alt.autos.gm,alt.autos.ford
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On Dec 20, 9:41*am, "Rock Hardson" > wrote:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...08/12/19/AR200...
>

I'm sorry the workers may lose benefits but, the option is to shut
down American Auto companies. To understand, look at the history.
Unions organized in the 1930s and became very powerful by 1950. With
unsustainable profits and prosperity in the 1950s, the companies met
most union demands to keep the production lines rolling. Today, on
the other hand, the 3 remaining auto makers are on the brink of
banruptcy and most American consumers are unable to buy a 35,000
automobile.
I'd like to see all auto makers unionised but I'd also like to see the
price of cars reduced. Lets hope the OBama guys make significant
advances to level the plying field for all auto makers.
The Japanese companies have no retired pensioners to support but
companies like GM have thousands. Auto makers in foreign countries
can rely on the government to provide health care while here health
care costs knock your socks off. Hospital fees, like union benefits,
are based on a level of prosperity that hasn't existed in America for
40 years.
It's funny the administration demands auto makers to get rid of all
corporate jets. What about eliminating air force one? And what about
all those congressmen and Senators who are flown wherevever they want
to go by military aircraft?





> The article states that the southern japanese factory worker was offered to
> join the union bringing wages on par to its northern American worker but
> they opted to stay bare foot and po' for japanese pennies. How STUPID can
> people be! If they had simply joined the union they would be getting the
> same exact pay and benefits as the northern worker living a higher standard
> of life and there would have been an even playing field for all manufactures
> from the start. For years it has been said that the Japanese choose the
> southern worker simply to take advantage of there ignorance. I guess the
> article proves they were right about that one. Now the northern worker will
> be forced to be dragged down to the level of pay of the southern worker. Its
> a simple question of is everyone on board to make a lot of money or will a
> segment of the community just drag others down to make a lesser amount of
> money???


  #14  
Old December 21st 08, 02:51 AM posted to alt.autos.nissan,alt.autos.toyota,rec.autos.makers.honda,alt.autos.gm,alt.autos.ford
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"Rock Hardson" > wrote in message
.com...
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...topnews&sub=AR
>
> The article states that the southern japanese factory worker was offered
> to join the union bringing wages on par to its northern American worker
> but they opted to stay bare foot and po' for japanese pennies. How STUPID
> can people be! If they had simply joined the union they would be getting
> the same exact pay and benefits as the northern worker living a higher
> standard of life and there would have been an even playing field for all
> manufactures from the start. For years it has been said that the Japanese
> choose the southern worker simply to take advantage of there ignorance. I
> guess the article proves they were right about that one. Now the northern
> worker will be forced to be dragged down to the level of pay of the
> southern worker. Its a simple question of is everyone on board to make a
> lot of money or will a segment of the community just drag others down to
> make a lesser amount of money???


So a bail will do what ?? There's hundreds of thousands of their cars
sitting unsold on car lots...oh yeah, lets get them back to work to make
many more thousands of cars that nobody wants so they came park them on
lots.

I'd personally like to see all three go down the tubes...get rid of their
management, unions, and baggage. Let the Jap companies buy up the corpses
and resurrect them into efficient concerns.



  #15  
Old December 21st 08, 04:42 AM posted to alt.autos.nissan,alt.autos.toyota,rec.autos.makers.honda,alt.autos.gm,alt.autos.ford
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On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:21:46 -0500, Rock Hardson cast forth these pearls of
wisdom...:


>
> Yeh...and its just fine to that Japanese CEO get billions in return for
> paying workers $14 and hour to screw on a bolt over and over and over again
> 8 hours a day. You try doing that and see if you don't go crazy.


It does not matter if it drives them crazy. If they want more interesting
work then let them get off their duff and get an education or develop
skills that will afford them those opportunities. Boring work is not a
justification for pay. If you don't have a lot to offer, you do the crummy
work for the crummy pay.

> If you have
> a job doing crazy mind draining activity at least make it worth your while
> and get paid for it.


At minimum wage those people would indeed be getting all the pay
worthwhile. Don't like crazy mind draining activity? Then get off your
duff and improve yourself. Quit crying about mind draining activity.

> And I bet if your father was putting bread on your
> table for screwing on a bolt, you would have no problem at all buying
> American would you?


I have no problem buying either American or import and my father is dead,
so he's not putting bread on the table for screwing in a bolt. He did
however, instill in us a drive to work for what you want and not rely on
lame whines like "mind draining". He taught us that if we don't like where
we are/what we're doing, then improve yourself in order to move on past it.
You might want to try the same.

--

-Mike-

  #16  
Old December 21st 08, 04:44 AM posted to alt.autos.nissan,alt.autos.toyota,rec.autos.makers.honda,alt.autos.gm,alt.autos.ford
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Default UAW forced to be paid as a Southern Foreign factory worker.

On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:27:53 -0800 (PST), cast forth
these pearls of wisdom...:

> On Dec 20, 1:21*pm, "Rock Hardson" > wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>> On Dec 20, 9:41 am, "Rock Hardson" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...08/12/19/AR200...
>>
>>> The article states that the southern japanese factory worker was offered
>>> to
>>> join the union bringing wages on par to its northern American worker but
>>> they opted to stay bare foot and po' for japanese pennies. How STUPID can
>>> people be! If they had simply joined the union they would be getting the
>>> same exact pay and benefits as the northern worker living a higher
>>> standard
>>> of life and there would have been an even playing field for all
>>> manufactures
>>> from the start. For years it has been said that the Japanese choose the
>>> southern worker simply to take advantage of there ignorance. I guess the
>>> article proves they were right about that one. Now the northern worker
>>> will
>>> be forced to be dragged down to the level of pay of the southern worker.
>>> Its
>>> a simple question of is everyone on board to make a lot of money or will a
>>> segment of the community just drag others down to make a lesser amount of
>>> money???

>>
>> I make it a point to NEVER buy any car, new or used, assembled by UAW
>> dumb-**** overpaid slob morons...
>>
>> There is not a single UAW leak in possession of a skill set worth
>> their extortionistic wage and benefit package. *Back in the sixties,
>> 8th. grade dropouts all over the country would wind up getting $25/hr.
>> to slap hubcaps on Fords and Chevys. ***** the UAW and anyone who
>> supports them.
>>
>> Yeh...and its just fine to that Japanese CEO get billions in return for
>> paying workers $14 and hour to screw on a bolt over and over and over again
>> 8 hours a day. You try doing that and see if you don't go crazy. If you have
>> a job doing crazy mind draining activity at least make it worth your while
>> and get paid for it. And I bet if your father was putting bread on your
>> table for screwing on a bolt, you would have no problem at all buying
>> American would you?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -

>
> The UAW is living proof that one does not need to invest in oneself in
> terms of high skills and knowledge. That, in and of itself, is
> anathema to capitalism.


Indeed. Only in the union environment is stupid (mind-numbing) turned
around to be a merit, and a case for more money.

--

-Mike-

  #17  
Old December 21st 08, 05:12 AM posted to alt.autos.nissan,alt.autos.toyota,rec.autos.makers.honda,alt.autos.gm,alt.autos.ford
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"e.meyer" > wrote in message
...
On Dec 20, 1:17 pm, "Rock Hardson" > wrote:
> "E. Meyer" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On 12/20/08 9:41 AM, in article
> > , "Rock Hardson"
> > > wrote:

>
> >>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...08/12/19/AR200...
> >> 6.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&sub=AR

>
> >> The article states that the southern japanese factory worker was
> >> offered
> >> to
> >> join the union bringing wages on par to its northern American worker
> >> but
> >> they opted to stay bare foot and po' for japanese pennies. How STUPID
> >> can
> >> people be! If they had simply joined the union they would be getting
> >> the
> >> same exact pay and benefits as the northern worker living a higher
> >> standard
> >> of life and there would have been an even playing field for all
> >> manufactures
> >> from the start. For years it has been said that the Japanese choose the
> >> southern worker simply to take advantage of there ignorance. I guess
> >> the
> >> article proves they were right about that one. Now the northern worker
> >> will
> >> be forced to be dragged down to the level of pay of the southern
> >> worker.
> >> Its
> >> a simple question of is everyone on board to make a lot of money or
> >> will
> >> a
> >> segment of the community just drag others down to make a lesser amount
> >> of
> >> money???

>
> > If the Southern workers had joined the union and tried to force Detroit
> > style pay and benefit packages, then the Japanese plants would all be in
> > Mexico (just like many GM and Mercedes plants already are).

>
> I got news for you, japanese are already in Mexico.
> The US is there because of the Bush/Clinton NAFTA sellout/New world Order
> BS.


Yes they are already in Mexico, and if the workers in the Southern US
states had sold out to the UAW, all those Southern US factories would
be gone, or never built in the first place.

You are obviously a union troll.

Not at all, you obviosly someone with no answers.

  #18  
Old December 21st 08, 05:14 AM posted to alt.autos.nissan,alt.autos.toyota,rec.autos.makers.honda,alt.autos.gm,alt.autos.ford
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> wrote in message
...
On Dec 20, 1:21 pm, "Rock Hardson" > wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Dec 20, 9:41 am, "Rock Hardson" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...08/12/19/AR200...

>
> > The article states that the southern japanese factory worker was offered
> > to
> > join the union bringing wages on par to its northern American worker but
> > they opted to stay bare foot and po' for japanese pennies. How STUPID
> > can
> > people be! If they had simply joined the union they would be getting the
> > same exact pay and benefits as the northern worker living a higher
> > standard
> > of life and there would have been an even playing field for all
> > manufactures
> > from the start. For years it has been said that the Japanese choose the
> > southern worker simply to take advantage of there ignorance. I guess the
> > article proves they were right about that one. Now the northern worker
> > will
> > be forced to be dragged down to the level of pay of the southern worker.
> > Its
> > a simple question of is everyone on board to make a lot of money or will
> > a
> > segment of the community just drag others down to make a lesser amount
> > of
> > money???

>
> I make it a point to NEVER buy any car, new or used, assembled by UAW
> dumb-**** overpaid slob morons...
>
> There is not a single UAW leak in possession of a skill set worth
> their extortionistic wage and benefit package. Back in the sixties,
> 8th. grade dropouts all over the country would wind up getting $25/hr.
> to slap hubcaps on Fords and Chevys. **** the UAW and anyone who
> supports them.
>
> Yeh...and its just fine to that Japanese CEO get billions in return for
> paying workers $14 and hour to screw on a bolt over and over and over
> again
> 8 hours a day. You try doing that and see if you don't go crazy. If you
> have
> a job doing crazy mind draining activity at least make it worth your while
> and get paid for it. And I bet if your father was putting bread on your
> table for screwing on a bolt, you would have no problem at all buying
> American would you?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


The UAW is living proof that one does not need to invest in oneself in
terms of high skills and knowledge. That, in and of itself, is
anathema to capitalism.

No thats a matter of choice. Since when have you become concerned with
someone elses education??

  #19  
Old December 21st 08, 05:22 AM posted to alt.autos.nissan,alt.autos.toyota,rec.autos.makers.honda,alt.autos.gm,alt.autos.ford
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"Mike Marlow" > wrote in message
. ..
> On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:21:46 -0500, Rock Hardson cast forth these pearls
> of
> wisdom...:
>
>
>>
>> Yeh...and its just fine to that Japanese CEO get billions in return for
>> paying workers $14 and hour to screw on a bolt over and over and over
>> again
>> 8 hours a day. You try doing that and see if you don't go crazy.

>
> It does not matter if it drives them crazy. If they want more interesting
> work then let them get off their duff and get an education or develop
> skills that will afford them those opportunities. Boring work is not a
> justification for pay. If you don't have a lot to offer, you do the
> crummy
> work for the crummy pay.
>
>> If you have
>> a job doing crazy mind draining activity at least make it worth your
>> while
>> and get paid for it.

>
> At minimum wage those people would indeed be getting all the pay
> worthwhile. Don't like crazy mind draining activity? Then get off your
> duff and improve yourself. Quit crying about mind draining activity.
>
>> And I bet if your father was putting bread on your
>> table for screwing on a bolt, you would have no problem at all buying
>> American would you?

>
> I have no problem buying either American or import and my father is dead,
> so he's not putting bread on the table for screwing in a bolt. He did
> however, instill in us a drive to work for what you want and not rely on
> lame whines like "mind draining". He taught us that if we don't like
> where
> we are/what we're doing, then improve yourself in order to move on past
> it.
> You might want to try the same.
>

Wow...and what do you think the union was developed for? Why were people
dying and getting there heads cracked open in the 20 and 30's? Maybe so
people like you or your father could actually do a job no matter how menial
or mind numbing with dignity and respect without being walked over and
disrepected by corporate and for that matter people like you.

  #20  
Old December 21st 08, 05:33 AM posted to alt.autos.nissan,alt.autos.toyota,rec.autos.makers.honda,alt.autos.gm,alt.autos.ford
Rock Hardson
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"Jack" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Rock Hardson" > wrote in message
> .com...
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...topnews&sub=AR
>>
>> The article states that the southern japanese factory worker was offered
>> to join the union bringing wages on par to its northern American worker
>> but they opted to stay bare foot and po' for japanese pennies. How STUPID
>> can people be! If they had simply joined the union they would be getting
>> the same exact pay and benefits as the northern worker living a higher
>> standard of life and there would have been an even playing field for all
>> manufactures from the start. For years it has been said that the Japanese
>> choose the southern worker simply to take advantage of there ignorance. I
>> guess the article proves they were right about that one. Now the northern
>> worker will be forced to be dragged down to the level of pay of the
>> southern worker. Its a simple question of is everyone on board to make a
>> lot of money or will a segment of the community just drag others down to
>> make a lesser amount of money???

>
> So a bail will do what ?? There's hundreds of thousands of their cars
> sitting unsold on car lots...oh yeah, lets get them back to work to make
> many more thousands of cars that nobody wants so they came park them on
> lots.
>
> I'd personally like to see all three go down the tubes...get rid of their
> management, unions, and baggage. Let the Jap companies buy up the corpses
> and resurrect them into efficient concerns.
>
>
>


Uhhh...why not just sell the whole country off to the japanese?? We can then
depend on them to make everything we need even grow our own food. Yeh we can
then be totaly dependent on Japanese for our economy.

 




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