Replacement mufflers/replacement horns for a Miata 2002 LS

On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 00:37:45 GMT, M. Cantera >
wrote:

>Cubans, Puerto Ricans and a few other Latin Americans still refer to
>city buses as Guaguas, apparently because the 1st busses in service in
>those contries were equiped with those horns

>(this is totally useless knowledge)

The best kind! 8

-- Larry

In article >,
"Mal Osborne" > wrote:

> The problem have noticed with a lot of aftermarket horns is that they have
> a noticable delay.

It's minimal if you keep the hoses short and wire the compressor through
a relay to keep the voltage up. Or get the compact Stebel Nautilus horn,
which has no hoses at all.

I want to "third" the Borla vote. I absolutely love it (duals) on the NB and
it's a VERY simple install. I did it on Christmas day in between the
festivities at my house one year. There is a slightly less woderfull sound
at "full squirt" when it's completely cold. It's not horrible and it's only
in the first minute or so when you're not normally "full squirting" it
anyway. After that it's pretty much total bliss (tunnels and bridges are a
special delight ;-).

Chris
99BBB

On Apr 2, 11:59 pm, pws > wrote:
> Grant Edwards wrote:
> > I had a pair of those. They lasted about a year before they
> > failed. I replaced them with another pair of similar (but
> > different brand) air-horns. They lasted about the same amount
> > of time before they failed. I replaced those with Serious
> > Auto's wicked-loud horns. They've been working fine for 6+
> > years now. The serious auto ones are just standard
> > good-quality dual horns like detroit used for decades (along
> > with some custom brackets and wiring).
>
> Mine were still working after smashing a deer at 60 - 65 mph, they just
> weren't "Wicked Loud" anymore. I think that the shattered remains were
> still louder than the stock horn.
>
> Very highly recommended.
>
> You can go with less money spent, but I like the whole package and
> consider it worth the money for the simplicity of installation. If it
> involves electrical wires and I find it easy to put on, then anyone can
> install them.
>
> Pat

Thanks Pat, that's another factor that i didn't mention intially for
the horn- ease of intsallation. I don't really want my mechanic to
try and guess on too much, especially since I'm not there.

-Drew

On Apr 3, 1:37 am, M. Cantera >
wrote:
> Cubans, Puerto Ricans and a few other Latin Americans still refer to
> city buses as Guaguas, apparently because the 1st busses in service in
> those contries were equiped with those horns (this is totally useless
> knowledge)
>
> On 2 Apr 2007 13:04:38 -0700, "ajk170" >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Apr 2, 3:46 pm, pltrgyst > wrote:
> >> On 2 Apr 2007 12:15:10 -0700, "ajk170" > wrote:
>
> >> >Let me help qualify what the muffler needs to be: 1) a nice, deep
> >> >growl, but not something that sounds like some 19 year old wanna-be-
> >> >street racer. The sound is something that sounds befitting to a small
> >> >roadster that has a pair!...
>
> >> Not sure how "deep" you mean. IMO, you only get "deep" from a V8, so it would
> >> sound pretentious coming from a Miata. And to me, there's no sound from a Miata
> >> like a Borla exhaust note. Perfect, top up, down, or off. And Borlas are
> >> available engineered for direct fit on Miatae.
>
> >> >The horn, well, this might seem like a dorky thing to change, but I
> >> >really dislike the weak little thing that's on there now. I admit that
> >> >I like the idea of those Italian air horns, more so because I tend to
> >> >like classy retro things....
>
> >> Here I still like the sound of the "Crazy Red Italian" horns (I believe that's
> >> right).
>
> >> But then I once had an AAH-OOO-GAH horn on a Fiat Dino, so what do I know... 8
>
> >> -- Larry
>
> >You're probably, right, "deep" may not be the best description- how
> >about "low rumble?"
>
> >An AAH-OOO-GAH!? I didn't know those ever really existed except in the
> >movies!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Great! Now I can share taht with my wife- who thinks that's all I
know is useless stuff.

On Apr 3, 4:59 am, "Chris D'Agnolo" > wrote:
> I want to "third" the Borla vote. I absolutely love it (duals) on the NB and
> it's a VERY simple install. I did it on Christmas day in between the
> festivities at my house one year. There is a slightly less woderfull sound
> at "full squirt" when it's completely cold. It's not horrible and it's only
> in the first minute or so when you're not normally "full squirting" it
> anyway. After that it's pretty much total bliss (tunnels and bridges are a
> special delight ;-).
>
> Chris
> 99BBB

Thanks to all you guys for putting me down the Borla path! I listened
to the adio clip on their website- for what that's worth, but I guess
it's better than nothing- and that IS what I had in mind! But I
noticed on the Borla website that it "auto picks" the Borla Exhaust
after making going through thier selection list. I don't seem to be
able to select any other type of exhaust from thier inventory. Plus,
after going through all of Borla's selections it only gives me the
Automatic or 5 speed for a 2002. But my LS is a 6 speed. I suspect
the exhaust setup is the same as the 5 speed so it shouldn't really
matter- but a small point nonetheless.

I will continue to go through the various websites to try and find
some different lines for the Borla. If anyone has a particular
website that is good and deserves the business, I'm not partial to any
one company.

Thanks Again!

-Drew

On Apr 2, 10:04 pm, "Iva" > wrote:
> pltrgyst wrote:
> >ajk170 wrote:
>
> >>Let me help qualify what the muffler needs to be: 1) a nice, deep
> >>growl, but not something that sounds like some 19 year old wanna-be-
> >>street racer. The sound is something that sounds befitting to a
> >>small
> >>roadster that has a pair!...
>
> > Not sure how "deep" you mean. IMO, you only get "deep" from a V8, so
> > it would
> > sound pretentious coming from a Miata. And to me, there's no sound
> > from a Miata
> > like a Borla exhaust note. Perfect, top up, down, or off. And Borlas
> > are
> > available engineered for direct fit on Miatae.
>
> Let me second the Borla vote.
>
> >>The horn, well, this might seem like a dorky thing to change, but I
> >>really dislike the weak little thing that's on there now. I admit
> >>that
> >>I like the idea of those Italian air horns, more so because I tend
> >>to
> >>like classy retro things....
>
> > Here I still like the sound of the "Crazy Red Italian" horns (I
> > believe that's
> > right).
>
> I've had Crazy Reds on Belle for lots of years now without any
> problems.
>
> > But then I once had an AAH-OOO-GAH horn on a Fiat Dino, so what do I
> > know... 8
>
> Heh - there was one of those on the 1959 Saab 93 I learned to drive
> on. ;-)
>
> Iva & Belle.)
> '90B Classic Red.)
> #3 winkin' Miata
>
>
>
>
>
> > -- Larry- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Iva- have you noticed any delays in the Crazy Red like these guys are
talking about - that was something that I hadn't considered. How
about cold weather? Any noticable difference in the cold?

Thanks-

-Drew

On Apr 2, 11:59 pm, pws > wrote:
> Grant Edwards wrote:
> > I had a pair of those. They lasted about a year before they
> > failed. I replaced them with another pair of similar (but
> > different brand) air-horns. They lasted about the same amount
> > of time before they failed. I replaced those with Serious
> > Auto's wicked-loud horns. They've been working fine for 6+
> > years now. The serious auto ones are just standard
> > good-quality dual horns like detroit used for decades (along
> > with some custom brackets and wiring).
>
> Mine were still working after smashing a deer at 60 - 65 mph, they just
> weren't "Wicked Loud" anymore. I think that the shattered remains were
> still louder than the stock horn.
>
> Very highly recommended.
>
> You can go with less money spent, but I like the whole package and
> consider it worth the money for the simplicity of installation. If it
> involves electrical wires and I find it easy to put on, then anyone can
> install them.
>
> Pat

Pat- have you noticed any delays in the Wicked Loud like these guys
are talking about? I'm starting to become torn between the classy
sound of an airhorn or the reliability of an eletrical. I'm starting
to think that if either way I go I'll be stuck with a dealy, then
maybe I'll lean to the Crazy Red.

Thanks-
-Drew

I've had a Brainstorm dual outlet muffler on my 02 since new
and love it. Nice growl on acceleration but no drone when
cruising. It installed in 20 min on the factory brackets.
You get a template for the second exhaust cut out in the
bumper cover. A Dremel makes this an easy 3 min task.

I tried the Crazy Red horns on a previous Miata - I didn't
like the delay and they only lasted about a year. This time
I picked up an electric horn from Harbor Freight for less
than $10. It installed in place of the stock horn ( no
mods needed), and is twice as loud.


"ajk170" > wrote in message
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> On Apr 3, 4:59 am, "Chris D'Agnolo" >
> wrote:
>> I want to "third" the Borla vote. I absolutely love it
>> (duals) on the NB and
>> it's a VERY simple install. I did it on Christmas day in
>> between the
>> festivities at my house one year. There is a slightly
>> less woderfull sound
>> at "full squirt" when it's completely cold. It's not
>> horrible and it's only
>> in the first minute or so when you're not normally "full
>> squirting" it
>> anyway. After that it's pretty much total bliss (tunnels
>> and bridges are a
>> special delight ;-).
>>
>> Chris
>> 99BBB
>
> Thanks to all you guys for putting me down the Borla path!
> I listened
> to the adio clip on their website- for what that's worth,
> but I guess
> it's better than nothing- and that IS what I had in mind!
> But I
> noticed on the Borla website that it "auto picks" the
> Borla Exhaust
> after making going through thier selection list. I don't
> seem to be
> able to select any other type of exhaust from thier
> inventory. Plus,
> after going through all of Borla's selections it only
> gives me the
> Automatic or 5 speed for a 2002. But my LS is a 6 speed.
> I suspect
> the exhaust setup is the same as the 5 speed so it
> shouldn't really
> matter- but a small point nonetheless.
>
> I will continue to go through the various websites to try
> and find
> some different lines for the Borla. If anyone has a
> particular
> website that is good and deserves the business, I'm not
> partial to any
> one company.
>
> Thanks Again!
>
> -Drew
>

ajk170 wrote:

> Pat- have you noticed any delays in the Wicked Loud like these guys
> are talking about? I'm starting to become torn between the classy
> sound of an airhorn or the reliability of an eletrical. I'm starting
> to think that if either way I go I'll be stuck with a dealy, then
> maybe I'll lean to the Crazy Red.
>
> Thanks-
> -Drew

No, the Wicked Loud horns work exactly like the original horn, just a
lot more noise with no noticeable delay at all.

That delay, no matter how short, and the frequent reports of air horns
failing are what caused me to buy the Wicked Louds. I want my horn to
work immediately every time I hit the button.

Good luck whatever you choose!

Pat