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In article >, RichA wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:03:02 -0500, > (Brent P) wrote: > >>In article >, ZombyWoof wrote: >> >><does anyone in this newsgroup trim anything?> >> >>> Some States, such as NJ, already have laws on the books making it >>> illegal to drive without both hands on the wheel. >> >>Do cops ticket anyone with a manual transmission? >> >>> our speed limits are so low that it allows people to have a false >>> sense of security and think that they can perform multiple tasks while >>> driving. Get one of these people up to 100mph+ and see if they can >>> use their cell phone and suck on their Big Gulp at the same time. >> >>And the speed limit isn't stopping them now. I don't understand this >>mentality of limiting an entire population based on it's idiots. > > The main rule of this World is you are always held back by the weakest > link. Because of the interlinks of everything in our society, it's > inevitable. Then our society will eventually degrade and collapse as these limits progress through society. >>Seriously, everything from grade schools on up now seem to operate at a >>slowest-ship-in-the-fleet pace. The USA will be a third world nation in >>no time. > Well, when third World countries have people coming out of grade 10 > with math skills like a first year university student in the U.S., > it's no wonder. Not sure what you are trying to say... but look at china and india. |
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In article >, ZombyWoof wrote:
> It is called the Lowest Common Denominator Theory. Yep. > A school system in Florida where my daughter first started school > tried grouping children of like abilities together in classes as part > of a controlled study. After the First Grade, all the A students in > one Second Grade class, all the B's in another and so forth. The idea > was to give the Teacher and even playing field to teach to. The > Teachers were never told what the overall makeup of their class was, > nor were the children. Wanna take a wild guess what happened? Not sure what you are getting at, but I don't see anything wrong with tracking. School became considerably more bareable for me the more separated my classes were from those of lesser desire to learn. |
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In article >, RichA wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:58:19 -0500, > (Brent P) wrote: > >>In article >, Joe wrote: >>> (Brent P) wrote in >>> : >>> >>>> In article >, Joe >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> wager I commit fewer moving violations than you do. I am not >>>>>> talking being caught, but actual moving violations. See, I pay a >>>>>> great deal of attention to that other part of the vehicle code >>>>>> that doesn't have to do with speed. I even signal turns and lane >>>>>> changes when using a bicycle. >>>> >>>>> Dude, if you're on a bicycle in a lane that vehicles use, you're a >>>>> complete idiot. >>>> >>>> Bicycle = vehicle. Just not motor vehicle. It's the safest way to >>>> ride btw. >>>> >>>> http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/ped_bike/docs/pamanual.pdf >>> >>> That file is over 5 years old; it certainly doesn't apply to roads >>> around here. Today it's downright dangerous to follow. Anyone who >>> rides a bicycle in the same space that a car would occupy has a death >>> wish. >> >>Not my fault you don't know the first thing about bicycling. Maybe you >>should refrain from commenting on things you don't know about. >> >>BTW 5 year olds ride on the sidewalk. Adults ride on the roadway. >> > > Stupid rule. What's worse, hitting a pedestrian with a bike > or hitting a bike rider with a car? Want to get hit by a car? Ride 25mph on sidewalks. Great way to get hit at intersections, driveways, etc. Not to mention the curb jumping, dog walkers, peds, joggers, etc and so forth. Much safer on the roads. I certainly don't want to hit a ped at 25mph. And I am not about to ride at a walking pace. You want to ride by ped rules, you have to do ped speeds. My speeds are vehicle speeds, thusly I ride on the roadway. |
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In article >, ZombyWoof wrote:
> I think the same rules on the road apply as on the sea, slower > vehicles have the right of way. No, see the reference. regular rules of the road. 'share the road' signs are aimed at the idiots who think they can run bicyclists off the road just because. |
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:10:50 -0500,
(Brent P) wrote: >In article >, RichA wrote: >> On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:58:19 -0500, >> (Brent P) wrote: >> >>>In article >, Joe wrote: >>>> (Brent P) wrote in >>>> : >>>> >>>>> In article >, Joe >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> wager I commit fewer moving violations than you do. I am not >>>>>>> talking being caught, but actual moving violations. See, I pay a >>>>>>> great deal of attention to that other part of the vehicle code >>>>>>> that doesn't have to do with speed. I even signal turns and lane >>>>>>> changes when using a bicycle. >>>>> >>>>>> Dude, if you're on a bicycle in a lane that vehicles use, you're a >>>>>> complete idiot. >>>>> >>>>> Bicycle = vehicle. Just not motor vehicle. It's the safest way to >>>>> ride btw. >>>>> >>>>> http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/ped_bike/docs/pamanual.pdf >>>> >>>> That file is over 5 years old; it certainly doesn't apply to roads >>>> around here. Today it's downright dangerous to follow. Anyone who >>>> rides a bicycle in the same space that a car would occupy has a death >>>> wish. >>> >>>Not my fault you don't know the first thing about bicycling. Maybe you >>>should refrain from commenting on things you don't know about. >>> >>>BTW 5 year olds ride on the sidewalk. Adults ride on the roadway. >>> >> >> Stupid rule. What's worse, hitting a pedestrian with a bike >> or hitting a bike rider with a car? > >Want to get hit by a car? Ride 25mph on sidewalks. Great way to get hit >at intersections, driveways, etc. Not to mention the curb jumping, dog >walkers, peds, joggers, etc and so forth. Much safer on the roads. > >I certainly don't want to hit a ped at 25mph. And I am not about to ride >at a walking pace. You want to ride by ped rules, you have to do ped >speeds. My speeds are vehicle speeds, thusly I ride on the roadway. > > > I ride my mountain bike off-road because I'm too scared to be on road. -Rich |
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(Brent P) wrote in
: > In article >, Joe wrote: >> (Brent P) wrote in >> : >> >>> In article >, Joe >>> wrote: >>> >>>>> wager I commit fewer moving violations than you do. I am not >>>>> talking being caught, but actual moving violations. See, I pay a >>>>> great deal of attention to that other part of the vehicle code >>>>> that doesn't have to do with speed. I even signal turns and lane >>>>> changes when using a bicycle. >>> >>>> Dude, if you're on a bicycle in a lane that vehicles use, you're a >>>> complete idiot. >>> >>> Bicycle = vehicle. Just not motor vehicle. It's the safest way to >>> ride btw. >>> >>> http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/ped_bike/docs/pamanual.pdf >> >> That file is over 5 years old; it certainly doesn't apply to roads >> around here. Today it's downright dangerous to follow. Anyone who >> rides a bicycle in the same space that a car would occupy has a death >> wish. > > Not my fault you don't know the first thing about bicycling. Maybe you > should refrain from commenting on things you don't know about. > > BTW 5 year olds ride on the sidewalk. Adults ride on the roadway. And morons ride where cars normally go. |
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(Brent P) wrote in
: > In article >, Joe wrote: >> (Brent P) wrote in >> : >> >>> In article > , Joe >> wrote: >>>> (Brent P) wrote in >>> >>> <snipping what joe is too lazy to trim> >> >> I saved it all just for you. >> >>>>> For instance, the shoulder work I mentioned. It's 3am on an IL >>>>> interstate. all regular lanes are open, same normal road surface, >>>>> there is a few feet of shoulder blocked off with cones. There are >> no >>>>> holes in it. Just some cones off the side of the road and a 45mph >>>>> construction zone speed limit. >>>>> >>>>> Do you think that the speed limit on an interstate should drop to >>>>> 45mph if a car is parked on the shoulder? >>>>> >>>>> The parked car on the shoulder is more of a hazard than these >>>>> 'construction' sites. >>> >>>> Here's the first one that comes to mind: The real possibility that >>>> some debris could be in the lane you're travelling on. >>> >>> If you only look for debris when there is road construction, you're >> an >>> idiot. >> >> As usual, you missed the point entirely. The fact that you've said >> you'd blast through a construction zone at or above the posted speed >> limit tells me who the idiot is. Loud and clear. > > I stated nothing of the kind. Please learn to read. LOL! There's that schizo again. One personality doesn't know what the other's doing.. |
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ZombyWoof > wrote in
: > On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:32:51 GMT, Joe > wrote > something wonderfully witty: > >>ZW, where'd you hear about FL re-licensing people? Last I heard it >>would never happen because of the policital clout of all the older >>drivers. >> > Happened sometime in the 90's they finally pulled my Grandma's > license. Should have been done at least 5-years earlier. At least my > Dad realizes he can no longer effectively drive at night and doesn't. How'd they nab her to pull her license? There's no re-licensing AFAIK, unless you're talking about renewing your license every however many years. But now that you can do that by mail, nobody'd ever know that they couldn't drive. Hell, there are some people down in my parents' condo that can't even see their keys but they still drive.. >>BTW, I see lots of people yakking on cell phones doing 90 (only 10mph >>slower than 100) down I-75 here in Broward County. None of them have >>a clue. >> > Hell I've seen em yanking on a cell phone, smoking and drinking a cup > of coffee too. Must be driving with their prick or something. >> >>ZombyWoof > wrote in m: >> >>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 04:07:48 GMT, "Wound Up" > >>> wrote something wonderfully witty: >>> >>>>"Brent P" > wrote in message ... >>>>> In article >, RichA >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> who think >>>>>> 40mph can mix with 60mph without problems. >>>>> >>>>> On a limited access highway where lane discipline is practiced, a >>>>> wide speed variance is easy and safely delt with. Only in the USA >>>>> is this a problem, because lane discipline is practically >>>>> non-existant in much of the nation. >>>>> >>>>> Lane discipline is why a 911 and 2CV can be on the autobahn at the >>>>> same time. >>>> >>>>Yes, the concept of "Rechtfahren" (sp?), "drive right", even though >>>>a law, doesn't concern most people in the US. One reason said >>>>autobahns are safer than US interstates is the German police take >>>>this VERY seriously. >>>> >>>>I knew a German woman who was pulled over in the far left for going >>>>140kmh - 90mph - because prevailing traffic is about 160-180kmh in >>>>that lane. Too slow at 90, move over, here's your expensive ticket. >>>> Makes complete sense. Also, people there (and in France, and >>>>others) have to take a lengthy course, and actually know how to >>>>drive a car, not just point and shoot, before they are permitted on >>>>the road. >>>> >>> Many fines in Germany, and other parts of Europe are income based, >>> you do not want to be in the position of having a really good job >>> and get a ticket. Their fines are designed to sting rather badly. >>> >>>>Driving is a privelege. If I were in the proper rank of >>>>governmental authority for a week, I would compel the entire nation >>>>to begin this process. Don't pass? Don't drive. Sorry, too bad, >>>>so sad. Carpool or take a bus until you do, or don't drive at all. >>>>I would have no sympathy or grandfather clauses. Why should there >>>>be? Fewer (incompetent) drivers = fewer accidents that competent >>>>drivers have to deal with. "Oh, I'm broke, I don't have time, I got >>>>five kids". I don't give a ****. You've got a lethal weapon. And, >>>>outlaw all cellphone use with $1000 fines and suspensions for the >>>>third offense. The human mind only has a finite amount of conscious >>>>attention to devote to any give set of activities. Splitting it >>>>further and further and putting less of it to the important task - >>>>not talking on the ****ing phone - makes you dangerous. Period. >>>>Basic psychology tells us this. >>>> >>> And I would be right behind you backing you up 100%. As a nation on >>> a whole compared to the majority of European drivers we really are >>> incompetent. When Germans first began importing cars to the US they >>> could understand the need for cup holders. One of the reason many >>> American drivers multi-process while driving is our speed limits are >>> too slow. At 100mph one is fully concentrated on driving and would >>> not be talking on a cell-phone, eating a Big Mac and slurp on a Big >>> Gulp all at the same time. However, since we are a nation of lowest >>> common denominator laws we will always have laws based on the lowest >>> skill set as opposed to the highest with no requirement for skills >>> improvement. At least Florida has started re-licensing people once >>> they reach a certain age and are refusing to renew licenses to those >>> who can't maintain even our low ass skill set. >>> >>>>You want a body count from me from this ****? It's sickening. Add >>>>the people who have been maimed or paralyzed, and it's even moreso. >>>>Think about it a minute yourselves. Think about all the near misses >>>>you've had, maybe even today. The answer is clear - stiff >>>>penalities, and tests that are actually difficult, and that actually >>>>test driving skill. >>>> >>> Better policing as well. Right now all the damn cops focus on is >>> catching those who are exceeding the speed limit. In the area I >>> live in the biggest problem is tailgaters. The two major accidents >>> I've been in during the ten years I have lived here have both been >>> rear-enders with some idiot running into me both resulting in some >>> pretty major damage. I bet easily 80% of the accidents here locally >>> are because of tailgating, but the cops never pull anyone over for >>> it. >>> >>>>My sister-in-law shouldn't drive; she's absolutely freaking >>>>dangerous. She's totally absent-minded, and has no clue how to catch >>>>a skid. She's wrecked more cars than I can count, and only hasn't >>>>killed herself or others by the grace of God. Then she cries >>>>(literally) that the car was to blame. I won't ride with her. And >>>>I'd feel safer if people like her weren't out there, able to buy and >>>>drive cars with (in this context) frightening performance >>>>potentials. >>>> >>> I think we all have two or three in our families that we could point >>> out that shouldn't be behind the wheel of a go-cart, let alone an >>> automobile. More and more the manufacturers are focusing on drivers >>> like your SIL coming up with traction control systems, anti-lock >>> brakes, stabilization control systems, and of course all of the >>> safety equipment so that when they are in an accident Darwin doesn't >>> come into play and they are naturally selected out. >>> >>>>There are many kinds of idiots. And then there are many other, more >>>>dangerous kinds out there. Take a good number of 'em off the >>>>****ing roads, I say. >>>> >>> Me too. > |
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In article > , Joe wrote:
> (Brent P) wrote in > : > >> In article >, Joe wrote: >>> (Brent P) wrote in >>> : >>> >>>> In article >, Joe >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> wager I commit fewer moving violations than you do. I am not >>>>>> talking being caught, but actual moving violations. See, I pay a >>>>>> great deal of attention to that other part of the vehicle code >>>>>> that doesn't have to do with speed. I even signal turns and lane >>>>>> changes when using a bicycle. >>>> >>>>> Dude, if you're on a bicycle in a lane that vehicles use, you're > a >>>>> complete idiot. >>>> >>>> Bicycle = vehicle. Just not motor vehicle. It's the safest way to >>>> ride btw. >>>> >>>> http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/ped_bike/docs/pamanual.pdf >>> >>> That file is over 5 years old; it certainly doesn't apply to roads >>> around here. Today it's downright dangerous to follow. Anyone who >>> rides a bicycle in the same space that a car would occupy has a > death >>> wish. >> >> Not my fault you don't know the first thing about bicycling. Maybe > you >> should refrain from commenting on things you don't know about. >> >> BTW 5 year olds ride on the sidewalk. Adults ride on the roadway. > > And morons ride where cars normally go. You have a great deal of ignorance. You might not want to speak of things you know nothing about. |
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