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Atheists demand removal of Utah highway crosses commemorating fallen Highway Patrol troopers
"Harry K" > wrote in
ups.com: > > J.C. wrote: >> "D-word" > wrote in message >> ... >> > On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:39:54 GMT, laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE >> > > wrote: >> > >> > > >> > >I agree with the atheists. Hell - one man's cross is another man's >> > >swastika. >> > > >> > >http://sltrib.com/utah/ci_3271385 >> > > >> > >Atheist group wants memorial crosses removed >> > > >> > >By Michael N. Westley >> > >The Salt Lake Tribune >> > > >> > >A lawsuit filed by the American Atheists in U.S. District Court on >> > >Thursday seeks to remove steel crosses that dot roadways >> > >throughout Utah and memorialize Utah Highway Patrol troopers who >> > >have died in the line of duty. >> > > >> > > The suit has drawn harsh reaction from family members of the >> > > fallen >> > >troopers and promises to be the source of an emotional battle. >> > > The crosses, which stand about 12 feet high and bear the >> > > trooper's >> > >name and the UHP insignia, were erected starting in 1998 and serve >> > >as a memorial for 14 troopers who have died since 1931. About nine >> > >of the crosses are on public land and all of them are placed near >> > >the spot where the troopers lost their lives. >> > >> > >> > These roadside memorials are nothing more than graffiti. I'm glad >> > to see this lawsuit. 12' high crosses? Ridiculous. Were they >> > crucified or did the donut eater merely run his cruiser off the >> > road? In some states every time some moron runs off the road the >> > family creates a roadside memorial. Makes for a really scenic >> > drive. The whole highway is your cemetery. >> > >> > Having a graveside memorial isn't enough, these Godnuts need an "X" >> > to mark the spot -- and don't give a damn what an eyesore they are >> > creating for everyone else. If a family member of mine died in >> > their backyard would it be okay for me to erect a giant 12' high >> > memorial to Cthulhu? I'm sure it would. >> > >> > On the other hand, it does make for a great game to keep kids >> > occupied on a long drive, called "Count the dead Christians." >> > Every time you pass a memorial, the kids try to be the first to >> > yell out, "God got another one!" (Feel free to suggest your own >> > name for this GREAT family game.) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > Plaintiffs Stephen Clark, Michael Rivers and Richard Andrews in >> > >conjunction with the American Atheists Inc. also seek to have the >> > >UHP symbol removed from the crosses. >> > > "The presence of the UHP logo on a poignant religious symbol is >> > > an >> > >unconstitutional violation of the United States Constitution. It >> > >is government endorsement of religion," said Rivers, Utah director >> > >for American Atheists. >> > >> > >> > Agreed. But I don't care about the logo, I don't want this in your >> > face reminder of religion while I am driving. Let them do what >> > normal people do, buy them a tombstone. I also resent the >> > elevation of state police as some sort of higher calling. They are >> > a necessary evil. >> >> So you're totally against the constitutional guarantee of a persons >> right to freely express their religion, right? Why don't you prepare >> an amendment and see how it goes? >> >> >> -- >> Criticism is easy and takes no intelligence at all. >> Offerring a valid, different solution takes brains. >> >> J. C. > > So where in the constitution does it say anything about the free > expression allowing you to push -your- religion in -my- face? That is > what it comes down to. Practice whatever religion (within reason) you > want but keep it off public property. You want to proseltize? Fine, > just don't use public funds to do it. That's what erecting religious > monuments is: proselitizing. > > Harry K > > Harry K > > When the "pro-religion" people accept public monuments to or public schools teaching Satanism,Wicca,and other non-Christian beliefs alongside Christianity,then I will go along with it. I guess it's not enough to set a good example that others would observe and want to join,they have to use government to coerce people into it,one way or another. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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Atheists demand removal of Utah highway crosses commemorating fallen Highway Patrol troopers
Jim Yanik wrote: > "Harry K" > wrote in > ups.com: > > > > > J.C. wrote: > >> "D-word" > wrote in message > >> ... > >> > On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:39:54 GMT, laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE > >> > > wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > >I agree with the atheists. Hell - one man's cross is another man's > >> > >swastika. > >> > > > >> > >http://sltrib.com/utah/ci_3271385 > >> > > > >> > >Atheist group wants memorial crosses removed > >> > > > >> > >By Michael N. Westley > >> > >The Salt Lake Tribune > >> > > > >> > >A lawsuit filed by the American Atheists in U.S. District Court on > >> > >Thursday seeks to remove steel crosses that dot roadways > >> > >throughout Utah and memorialize Utah Highway Patrol troopers who > >> > >have died in the line of duty. > >> > > > >> > > The suit has drawn harsh reaction from family members of the > >> > > fallen > >> > >troopers and promises to be the source of an emotional battle. > >> > > The crosses, which stand about 12 feet high and bear the > >> > > trooper's > >> > >name and the UHP insignia, were erected starting in 1998 and serve > >> > >as a memorial for 14 troopers who have died since 1931. About nine > >> > >of the crosses are on public land and all of them are placed near > >> > >the spot where the troopers lost their lives. > >> > > >> > > >> > These roadside memorials are nothing more than graffiti. I'm glad > >> > to see this lawsuit. 12' high crosses? Ridiculous. Were they > >> > crucified or did the donut eater merely run his cruiser off the > >> > road? In some states every time some moron runs off the road the > >> > family creates a roadside memorial. Makes for a really scenic > >> > drive. The whole highway is your cemetery. > >> > > >> > Having a graveside memorial isn't enough, these Godnuts need an "X" > >> > to mark the spot -- and don't give a damn what an eyesore they are > >> > creating for everyone else. If a family member of mine died in > >> > their backyard would it be okay for me to erect a giant 12' high > >> > memorial to Cthulhu? I'm sure it would. > >> > > >> > On the other hand, it does make for a great game to keep kids > >> > occupied on a long drive, called "Count the dead Christians." > >> > Every time you pass a memorial, the kids try to be the first to > >> > yell out, "God got another one!" (Feel free to suggest your own > >> > name for this GREAT family game.) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > Plaintiffs Stephen Clark, Michael Rivers and Richard Andrews in > >> > >conjunction with the American Atheists Inc. also seek to have the > >> > >UHP symbol removed from the crosses. > >> > > "The presence of the UHP logo on a poignant religious symbol is > >> > > an > >> > >unconstitutional violation of the United States Constitution. It > >> > >is government endorsement of religion," said Rivers, Utah director > >> > >for American Atheists. > >> > > >> > > >> > Agreed. But I don't care about the logo, I don't want this in your > >> > face reminder of religion while I am driving. Let them do what > >> > normal people do, buy them a tombstone. I also resent the > >> > elevation of state police as some sort of higher calling. They are > >> > a necessary evil. > >> > >> So you're totally against the constitutional guarantee of a persons > >> right to freely express their religion, right? Why don't you prepare > >> an amendment and see how it goes? > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Criticism is easy and takes no intelligence at all. > >> Offerring a valid, different solution takes brains. > >> > >> J. C. > > > > So where in the constitution does it say anything about the free > > expression allowing you to push -your- religion in -my- face? That is > > what it comes down to. Practice whatever religion (within reason) you > > want but keep it off public property. You want to proseltize? Fine, > > just don't use public funds to do it. That's what erecting religious > > monuments is: proselitizing. > > > > Harry K > > > > Harry K > > > > > > When the "pro-religion" people accept public monuments to or public schools > teaching Satanism,Wicca,and other non-Christian beliefs alongside > Christianity,then I will go along with it. > > I guess it's not enough to set a good example that others would observe and > want to join,they have to use government to coerce people into it,one way > or another. > > -- > Jim Yanik > jyanik > at > kua.net Yep. They seem to overlook the admonition in the bible to not make a public spectacle of themselves praying. Harry K |
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Atheists demand removal of Utah highway crosses commemorating fallen Highway Patrol troopers
"Jim Yanik" > wrote in message ... > "Harry K" > wrote in > ups.com: > > > When the "pro-religion" people accept public monuments to or public > schools > teaching Satanism,Wicca,and other non-Christian beliefs alongside > Christianity,then I will go along with it. > > I guess it's not enough to set a good example that others would observe > and > want to join,they have to use government to coerce people into it,one way > or another. > > -- > Jim Yanik > jyanik > at > kua.net The study of other "beliefs" are taught in some public schools. |
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