tpms, vsa, sensor IDs, reset tools for tpms

On 1/12/2010 1:55 AM, Guy wrote:
>
> Really. I just love the attention you're giving me.

Apparently that is a fact, or else you would have blocked him and moved
on with your life and allowed the rest of us who have him blocked the
peace and quiet of not seeing his posts.

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:25:55 -0400, Brian Smith
> wrote:

>On 1/12/2010 1:55 AM, Guy wrote:
>>
>> Really. I just love the attention you're giving me.
>
> Apparently that is a fact, or else you would have blocked him and moved
>on with your life and allowed the rest of us who have him blocked the
>peace and quiet of not seeing his posts.


Brian, I didn't want to bother with the filters because from my own
experience and someone else's post, filters aren't perfect. I was
hoping to humilate him into submission but now that I have to say
this, it won't work. In other words, you blew my idea away. Now I
have no choice but to rely on a filter.

To get back on topic.... Hours later after I made my original post
about TPMS, I had to get a car inspected. I was talking to the car
inspection guy about TPMS and the first thing he said to me was that
people hate it. We talked about it and the CR-V with it. He also
cleared up some things that I may have read only one post about
elsewhere. He said in Texas, if the TPMS dash indicator comes on, it
will NOT fail a car inspection (if engine light comes on regardless of
TPMS, it will fail inspection). He also said the CR-V monitors the
spare tire. So far I've read the TPMS can not be reset and it can be
reset by disconnecting the battery so I don't know which is true. He
told me something I also read that if you see it on the dash, deflate
the tire like 10 pounds and reinflate it and then drive it for a
short while (10 minutes or so) and it should go out. Also what I've
read elsewhere is never put tire sealant in the tire if you have TPMS
as it will foul up the TPMS and for the CR-V, changing tires will not
set off the TPMS but changing rims will. This seems to **** off a
lot of people who use snow tires. All this said, I have no idea what
is or is not true.

Sounds to me like TPMS is more hassle than it's worth. Personally
since I never had it before and got by well with out it, it will
likely get in my way now. I've never had to inspect my tires for air
on a daily basis so why I need this monitor now is a joke to me. So
far, my tire gages have worked well for me.

And going a little off topic, this guy was trying to sell me on
Nitrogen in the tires saying it will reduce the false alarms for TPMS.
Elsewhere I've read that most people don't think much of Nitrogen.

Bottom line is I guess I know a little more about it but still some
questions remain so if any one else can add to this TPMS stuff, feel
free to (except for Beam of course). BTW, regarding inspection, that
info was for Texas so other states may vary.

>>> Having purchased a 2010 CR-V, I was reading up on tires (or the
>>> changing of tires) and came upon the TPMS problems which led to VSA,
>>> Sensor IDs and reset tools for TPMS. It seems the more I read about
>>> this stuff, the more questions I develop. Before I ask questions,
>>> please don't ask me what the manual says. I've already looked at it
>>> and it doesn't answer my questions.
>>>
>>> I think most of my questions might be solved if I can buy a TPMS reset
>>> tool but can anyone educate me on what are Sensor IDs and how do you
>>> read them? Do you have to take the tire off to do this or is there
>>> another way? Is the TPMS reset tool different than a OBDII scanner?
>>> Is there a TPMS reset tool that can automatically input the Sensor ID
>>> values without me doing this manually? There are just the beginning
>>> questions I have on this stuff. Feel free to answer other questions
>>> related to this as I want try to get educated before I have the
>>> problems. I suppose I can ask the dealership but some questions they
>>> may not want to answer like reset tools since it would affect their
>>> bottom line. I've never had a TPMS vehicle so when educating me,
>>> assume I'm a beginner. And any good links on this subject? I've got
>>> a couple URLs for some Honda Forums but they still leave me with some
>>> questions tho I'm still looking for more URLs. Thanks.
>>
>> Sorry Guy, but what's a TPMS? Uh, and VSA?
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Lets get the intimidating jargon out of the way.
>
> TPMS = Tire Pressure Monitoring System.
>
> VSA = Vehicle Stability Assist
>
> Both come to you at great cost courtesy of your federal NHTSA.
>
> (Wave and say hi to the nice regulators! Hi guys! Hey, you over there, use
> ALL your fingers, not just one!)
>
> I think the only way you can reset TPMS/VSA DTC's is with a Honda HDS
> tool,
> or by disconnecting the battery.
>
> DTC = Diagnostic Trouble Code
>
> HDS = Honda Diagnostic System
>

Thanks Tegger. Just wanted to be lurking on the same page as you guys.

Jon

On 1/12/2010 8:54 AM, Guy wrote:
>
> Brian, I didn't want to bother with the filters because from my own
> experience and someone else's post, filters aren't perfect. I was
> hoping to humilate him into submission but now that I have to say
> this, it won't work. In other words, you blew my idea away. Now I
> have no choice but to rely on a filter.

Nothing is perfect (or fool proof), but filtering an annoyance is a
good start. :^)

> To get back on topic.... Hours later after I made my original post
> about TPMS, I had to get a car inspected. I was talking to the car
> inspection guy about TPMS and the first thing he said to me was that
> people hate it. We talked about it and the CR-V with it. He also
> cleared up some things that I may have read only one post about
> elsewhere. He said in Texas, if the TPMS dash indicator comes on, it
> will NOT fail a car inspection (if engine light comes on regardless of
> TPMS, it will fail inspection). He also said the CR-V monitors the
> spare tire. So far I've read the TPMS can not be reset and it can be
> reset by disconnecting the battery so I don't know which is true. He
> told me something I also read that if you see it on the dash, deflate
> the tire like 10 pounds and reinflate it and then drive it for a
> short while (10 minutes or so) and it should go out. Also what I've
> read elsewhere is never put tire sealant in the tire if you have TPMS
> as it will foul up the TPMS and for the CR-V, changing tires will not
> set off the TPMS but changing rims will. This seems to **** off a
> lot of people who use snow tires. All this said, I have no idea what
> is or is not true.
>
> Sounds to me like TPMS is more hassle than it's worth. Personally
> since I never had it before and got by well with out it, it will
> likely get in my way now. I've never had to inspect my tires for air
> on a daily basis so why I need this monitor now is a joke to me. So
> far, my tire gages have worked well for me.

I have been checking my tire pressure for almost four decades without
any issues regarding tire wear or safety, with a regular tire pressure
gauge. All these new gadgets are for the lazy people in the world.

> And going a little off topic, this guy was trying to sell me on
> Nitrogen in the tires saying it will reduce the false alarms for TPMS.
> Elsewhere I've read that most people don't think much of Nitrogen.

Air (what surrounds us all) has 78% nitrogen in it, why throw money
away to make it a higher concentration (not 100% either) in tires?

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:53:48 -0400, Brian Smith
> wrote:

>On 1/12/2010 8:54 AM, Guy wrote:
>>
>> Brian, I didn't want to bother with the filters because from my own
>> experience and someone else's post, filters aren't perfect. I was
>> hoping to humilate him into submission but now that I have to say
>> this, it won't work. In other words, you blew my idea away. Now I
>> have no choice but to rely on a filter.
>
> Nothing is perfect (or fool proof), but filtering an annoyance is a
>good start. :^)
>
>> To get back on topic.... Hours later after I made my original post
>> about TPMS, I had to get a car inspected. I was talking to the car
>> inspection guy about TPMS and the first thing he said to me was that
>> people hate it. We talked about it and the CR-V with it. He also
>> cleared up some things that I may have read only one post about
>> elsewhere. He said in Texas, if the TPMS dash indicator comes on, it
>> will NOT fail a car inspection (if engine light comes on regardless of
>> TPMS, it will fail inspection). He also said the CR-V monitors the
>> spare tire. So far I've read the TPMS can not be reset and it can be
>> reset by disconnecting the battery so I don't know which is true. He
>> told me something I also read that if you see it on the dash, deflate
>> the tire like 10 pounds and reinflate it and then drive it for a
>> short while (10 minutes or so) and it should go out. Also what I've
>> read elsewhere is never put tire sealant in the tire if you have TPMS
>> as it will foul up the TPMS and for the CR-V, changing tires will not
>> set off the TPMS but changing rims will. This seems to **** off a
>> lot of people who use snow tires. All this said, I have no idea what
>> is or is not true.
>>
>> Sounds to me like TPMS is more hassle than it's worth. Personally
>> since I never had it before and got by well with out it, it will
>> likely get in my way now. I've never had to inspect my tires for air
>> on a daily basis so why I need this monitor now is a joke to me. So
>> far, my tire gages have worked well for me.
>
> I have been checking my tire pressure for almost four decades without
>any issues regarding tire wear or safety, with a regular tire pressure
>gauge. All these new gadgets are for the lazy people in the world.
>
>> And going a little off topic, this guy was trying to sell me on
>> Nitrogen in the tires saying it will reduce the false alarms for TPMS.
>> Elsewhere I've read that most people don't think much of Nitrogen.
>
> Air (what surrounds us all) has 78% nitrogen in it, why throw money
>away to make it a higher concentration (not 100% either) in tires?
>
>
>


Brian, I don't know but I'll take your word for it. To try to look at
this on a "simple" basis, I've probably driven 2/3 of the miles I will
ever drive so that leaves 1/3 left. At this point, the cost savings
if any using nitrogen is reduced for me and that's giving them, the
pro nitrogen guys the benefit of the doubt. Likely the truth is
somewhere between what you and I feel and what they feel so you can
see my savings will not be that great. The other factors such as
convenience/inconvenience comes into play vs whatever the savings is.
For example I have an air compressor so I can easily fill up my tires
at home without running to the shop to get more nitrogen. Of course
there are likely some other variables I'm ignoring but I'm trying to
look at this on a simple basis. One idea just popped into my head
but how do you really know how much nitrogen they're pumping into the
tires....ie: 100%, 90% due to the imperfection of their own equipment
such as leaking seals, etc.. ??? So this is why even if they are
correct in theory about saving money, in practice it could be less
than their proposed savings. Last as I said earlier, from what I've
read on the net, I get the impression the majority are not in favor of
it for the every day drivers (non-race car drivers). I remember even
reading this with the corvette owners in their own newsgroup a couple
of years or so ago. So the bottom line is, I think I'll stick with
just air <grin>.

On 1/12/2010 1:36 PM, Guy wrote:
>
> Brian, I don't know but I'll take your word for it. To try to look at
> this on a "simple" basis, I've probably driven 2/3 of the miles I will
> ever drive so that leaves 1/3 left. At this point, the cost savings
> if any using nitrogen is reduced for me and that's giving them, the
> pro nitrogen guys the benefit of the doubt. Likely the truth is
> somewhere between what you and I feel and what they feel so you can
> see my savings will not be that great. The other factors such as
> convenience/inconvenience comes into play vs whatever the savings is.
> For example I have an air compressor so I can easily fill up my tires
> at home without running to the shop to get more nitrogen. Of course
> there are likely some other variables I'm ignoring but I'm trying to
> look at this on a simple basis. One idea just popped into my head
> but how do you really know how much nitrogen they're pumping into the
> tires....ie: 100%, 90% due to the imperfection of their own equipment
> such as leaking seals, etc.. ??? So this is why even if they are
> correct in theory about saving money, in practice it could be less
> than their proposed savings. Last as I said earlier, from what I've
> read on the net, I get the impression the majority are not in favor of
> it for the every day drivers (non-race car drivers). I remember even
> reading this with the corvette owners in their own newsgroup a couple
> of years or so ago. So the bottom line is, I think I'll stick with
> just air<grin>.

I have watched as another vehicle was being serviced in the tire shop
when I had my truck there. The tires were mounted (using regular air to
seat the beads properly. Then the valve was removed allowing the air to
escape before replacing the valve. This left the tire "empty" of
compressed air, just the normal air pressure in the tire. The nitrogen
pump was connected and the tire was brought up to the recommended
pressure. As you can see there is still a volume of *air* in the tire,
as this is all done in the shop and not in a vacuum.

Brian Smith > wrote in
:

>
> I have watched as another vehicle was being serviced in the tire
> shop when I had my truck there. The tires were mounted (using
> regular air to seat the beads properly. Then the valve was removed
> allowing the air to escape before replacing the valve. This left the
> tire "empty" of compressed air, just the normal air pressure in the
> tire. The nitrogen pump was connected and the tire was brought up to
> the recommended pressure. As you can see there is still a volume of
> *air* in the tire, as this is all done in the shop and not in a
> vacuum.
>


Doing that gives you 89% nitrogen instead of what the N2 generator is
capable of, which is about 95%.

Honda's official position for nitrogen in road cars is that nitrogen is a
waste of money and time.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

On 1/12/2010 3:22 PM, Tegger wrote:
>
> Doing that gives you 89% nitrogen instead of what the N2 generator is
> capable of, which is about 95%.

My point exactly.

> Honda's official position for nitrogen in road cars is that nitrogen is a
> waste of money and time.

That is my official position, as well. :^)

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:25:47 -0400, Brian Smith
> wrote:

>On 1/12/2010 3:22 PM, Tegger wrote:
>>
>> Doing that gives you 89% nitrogen instead of what the N2 generator is
>> capable of, which is about 95%.
>
> My point exactly.
>
>> Honda's official position for nitrogen in road cars is that nitrogen is a
>> waste of money and time.
>
> That is my official position, as well. :^)



Thanks Brian (and Tegger). I think we all agree on this as well as I
think the vast majority on the net that posted about it. Now if I
can master the TPMS crap. I'm probably getting ahead of myself as I
haven't driven the CR-V much yet. I guess I just want to know ahead
what to maybe expect and have a plan of action for it. The net sure
helps in that regard. It definitely helped me when negotiating the
purchase price because I read what others were paying.
Thanks again guys.

"Guy" > wrote in
:

> Now if I can master the TPMS crap.



To master the TPMS stuff, just make sure all tires are precisely the same
pressure, INCLUDING THE SPARE. Check the road tires weekly, even if there's
no sign of trouble. Pressure drop won't be clearly visible until you've
lost more than half the air.

Use a store-bought gauge, not the one attached to the air pump at the gas
station, and use the same gauge for all tires. Check first thing in the
morning, before driving, and before the sun has a chance to reach any of
the tires. Set the pressure to the specification in your Owner's Manual.

If you have metal valve stems, only ever get the tires replaced at the
Honda dealer, and only ever use the OEM wheels that came with the vehicle.

Do all the above, and chances are pretty good the TPMS won't yell at you.

You don't like all that? Then maybe it's time for another armed revolution.
The King has been stepping over the line for quite some time now, and we've
been /more/ than happy to get stepped on the process.


--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
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