Lack of refining capacity, thanks envirokooks

"D E Willson" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:13:49 -0400, "dwight" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"twk" > wrote in message
...
>>> In article >, "dwight" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "twk" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> > In article >,
>>>> > "huhie" > wrote:
>>>
>>> ---- Snip a little ----
>>>
>>>> >> it is the only way to save us from global warmings, raise gas prices
>>>> >> so
>>>> >> everybody stops using gas .- EVScum
>>>> >>
>>>> >> (so we will starve to death quickly, instead of being slowly roasted
>>>> >> in
>>>> >> 50,000 years++)
>>>> >
>>>> > That's what o'bama is doing now. He's helping to run up the price of
>>>> > oil
>>>> > so the hybrid cars seem more economical... No wait, it's so the
>>>> > battery
>>>> > cars will seem more economical. Yep, that's it. However if you live
>>>> > in
>>>> > a
>>>> > northern/cold climate on our earth, you're screwed! Battery cars
>>>> > don't
>>>> > work in the cold.
>>>> >
>>>> > Hail o'bama! It's for our own good! Hail o'bama!
>>>> > BTW, what are we going to do with all those expended batteries in a
>>>> > few
>>>> > years...
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Not sent through any particular network from any pompous smart phone.
>>>>
>>>> Wait... what? Obama's the reason I'm paying $3.73 per gallon? I had no
>>>> idea.
>>>> Can you cite any kind of source for this? I'd like to read up on it.
>>>>
>>>> dwight
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes he is responsible for higher gas prices. No doubt about it.
>>> o'bama admits it and his administration admits it.
>>>
>>> Well, _IF_ (not saying you are) you're a liberal o'bama fan boy, you
>>> won't believe anything bad about that dirty commie, but here goes. And
>>> yes, I spell it "o'bama" out of my displeasure and utter lack of respect
>>> for the dirty commie... I mean dirty socialist. I meant socialist.
>>>
>>> Top Five Things Obama Has Done to Raise Gasoline Prices
>>> <http://www.americansolutions.com/dhd...ngs-obama-has-
>>> done-to-raise-gasoline-prices.php>
>>>
>>> Gas prices too high? Obama may not think so. He's pumped to use high oil
>>> prices.
>>> <http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/...011/0307/Gas-p
>>> rices-too-high-Obama-may-not-think-so.-He-s-pumped-to-use-high-oil-prices
>>>>
>>>
>>> Obama Admin Says New Offshore Safety Rules May Delay Oil Drilling, Raise
>>> Gas Prices
>>> <http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2010/10...admin-says-new
>>> -offshore-safety-rules-may-19250.html>
>>>
>>> Obama raises taxes on oil and gas to stop global warming
>>> <http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2...-taxes-on-oil-
>>> and-gas-to-stop-global-warming/>
>>>
>>> Obama to raise gas prices and inflation by raising taxes on oil
>>> companies
>>> <http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2...se-gas-prices-
>>> and-inflation-by-raising-taxes-on-oil-companies/>
>>>
>>> o'bama is a dirty commie, bent on big government and total control of
>>> the masses. As a result of this, he is destroying the United States
>>> economy and, ultimately, the United States.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Not sent through any particular network from any pompous smart phone.
>>
>>Look - I don't mind that you hate. In fact, some would argue that it's
>>your
>>god-given right to hate. I just prefer facts.
>>
>>Aside from the questionable sources (I really enjoyed "american
>>solutions.com," which I suspect may be an oil-industry funded site), and
>>the
>>woefully outdated articles, we are left with two big questions:
>>
>>How does the President, under the U.S. Constitution, impose a tax?
> By imposing regulations through the EPA and other agancies
>>
>>What does the President, under our capitalist system, have to do with oil
>>speculation on Wall Street?
> Speculators bet on the price of oil rising or falling. In order to
> decide which way to bet, they watch a wide range of actions which
> impact the price. For example, as soon as Obama slammed the door on
> deep water drilling and imposed finacial sanctions, the speculators
> knew the price would rise.


So, naturally enough, when this administration started handing out even more
leases the oil companies couldn't use, the price went down just as fast.
Right?

dwight

"D E Willson" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 18:22:19 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
>>On Aug 10, 8:37 pm, Rich > wrote:
>>> Shell ran out of gas in Toronto today. Enviroscum strike again.
>>> Gasoline shortages, the greatest spread ever of the price of oil ($79
>>> barrel) versus the price of gasoline $1.30/L/ $5.00 per U.S. gal.
>>> Thanks
>>> enviros, I owe you and hopefully, you'll end up on my bumper, strictly
>>> by
>>> accident, of course.
>>
>>Before you blast the "enviroscum" I suggest you go live in a country
>>for a while that doesn't have any/much of any environmental laws. I
>>have and I can tell you when I returned I kissed my catalytic
>>convertors and vowed to never again have a vehicle that doesn't run
>>legally.
>>
>>So, yes, while the enviroscum can cause us hotrodders some head/heart
>>aches they, for the most part, see a/the broader picture.
>>
>>Patrick
>
> Do they really? I've seen what they have done to California. The state
> has been going down hill since Ronald Reagan left office. Buisness is
> killed by an avalanche of regulations. You can't even take your own
> son to a job site to teach him the family business without being
> levied with an obscene fine.

I have to say, having been an adult in the 60s and 70s, that I applaud
regulation (common sense regulation). There are far too many graphic
examples of what an unfettered industry is capable of. China is only now
waking up to this reality.

In particular (aside from the little things like our food supply, aviation,
etc.), applaud regulation of our energy industry - oil, gas, coal. There is
no question that an unregulated energy industry would rape the planet and
leave the mess to be cleaned up by the taxpayers. Superfund sites - who
created them, and who's paying to clean them up?

This is not a chicken-and-egg problem. The EPA was established out of a
glaring need, and has done an overall great job ever since. Our rivers no
longer burn. Our air and water are now passable.

Put me down as one that comes down on the side of a stronger EPA, not one
that's been eviscerated by corporate profit-at-any-cost "needs."

dwight

On 8/16/2011 12:39, dwight wrote:
>>> speculation on Wall Street?
>> Speculators bet on the price of oil rising or falling. In order to
>> decide which way to bet, they watch a wide range of actions which
>> impact the price. For example, as soon as Obama slammed the door on
>> deep water drilling and imposed finacial sanctions, the speculators
>> knew the price would rise.
>
>
> So, naturally enough, when this administration started handing out even
> more leases the oil companies couldn't use, the price went down just as
> fast. Right?
>
> dwight
>
>


You didn't tell us you bought a Prius you bass turd!

"Rich" > wrote in message
...
> On Aug 14, 1:01 pm, "dwight" > wrote:

>>
>> Rich's original post was nothing more than another troll, and a purposely
>> misleading and inflammatory one, at that. Gasoline prices go up rapidly,
>> come down slowly, then increase again without any apparent cause. But I
>> know
>> (as much as I can "know") that this has nothing to do with
>> environmentalists, taxes, regulations, or any alleged shortage of oil
>> reserve leases.
>>
>> dwight
>
> Go back to your Prius, greenie.

What? No Prius newsgroup to crosspost?

d

"Rich" > wrote in message
...
> On Aug 14, 11:23 am, "dwight" > wrote:
>> "Rich" > wrote in message
>>
>> news >>
>> > Shell ran out of gas in Toronto today. Enviroscum strike again.
>> > Gasoline shortages, the greatest spread ever of the price of oil ($79
>> > barrel) versus the price of gasoline $1.30/L/ $5.00 per U.S. gal.
>> > Thanks
>> > enviros, I owe you and hopefully, you'll end up on my bumper, strictly
>> > by
>> > accident, of course.
>>
>> Okay, Rich, you started this.
>>
>> WHY did Shell run out of gas? Please explain, other than "enviroscum
>> strike
>> again."
>>
>> Certainly, there is no oil shortage, and any gasoline shortages are
>> primarily local, not a result of "refining capacity." Why Toronto?
>>
>> dwight
>
> Refinery capacity was CUT due to ridiculous environmental concerns.
> C02 is NOT a pollutant it never has been. It's integral to plant
> life. Which the enviros should be aware of, since they are all
> vegetables.

That's not what I read. Something about maintenance... But nice try.

d

On Aug 15, 8:38*pm, D E Willson > wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 13:01:07 -0400, "dwight" >
> wrote:

> Ethanol? It's driving up food prices

1) Because we feed corn to cows. Cows don't eat corn. It makes them
sick. Cows eat, or should be eating, grass.

2) Most of the corn we do use in/for food is in the form of high-
fructose corn syrup. If they'd stop using so much high-fructose corn
syrup, and stop making all our "food" taste like candy, our need for
corn would drop considerably.

>AND screwing up engines. That's at the 10% level. And Obama
> wants to go to at least 15% in the near term and higher down the road.
> As for what Obama is doing... just go back and read his own words
> during the campaign.

What we need is an energy policy. And to start developing
alternatives for oil.

> Do I trust the oil companies? No. Do I trust this socialist style
> administration?

Seems if Fox News says Obama is a socialist enough times people will
believe it. Too bad they wouldn't have stuck with "he pals around
with terrorists", because that would have been funny for them to
explain after OBL's death.

>Absolutely not. Nor do I blame Obama for
> everything. It's all been building up to this for decades, and both
> parties are to blame. I just see this one as the very worst... even
> worse than Jimmy Carter.

I agree both parties are to blame. (But keep in mind the Republicans
were driving the bus when it/the economy went over the cliff. And for
them now to point fingers about how bad things are, kills me.)

Patrick

On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:52:05 -0400, "dwight" >
wrote:

>
>"Rich" > wrote in message
...
>> On Aug 14, 11:23 am, "dwight" > wrote:
>>> "Rich" > wrote in message
>>>
>>> news >>>
>>> > Shell ran out of gas in Toronto today. Enviroscum strike again.
>>> > Gasoline shortages, the greatest spread ever of the price of oil ($79
>>> > barrel) versus the price of gasoline $1.30/L/ $5.00 per U.S. gal.
>>> > Thanks
>>> > enviros, I owe you and hopefully, you'll end up on my bumper, strictly
>>> > by
>>> > accident, of course.
>>>
>>> Okay, Rich, you started this.
>>>
>>> WHY did Shell run out of gas? Please explain, other than "enviroscum
>>> strike
>>> again."
>>>
>>> Certainly, there is no oil shortage, and any gasoline shortages are
>>> primarily local, not a result of "refining capacity." Why Toronto?
>>>
>>> dwight
>>
>> Refinery capacity was CUT due to ridiculous environmental concerns.
>> C02 is NOT a pollutant it never has been. It's integral to plant
>> life. Which the enviros should be aware of, since they are all
>> vegetables.
>
>That's not what I read. Something about maintenance... But nice try.
>
>d
>

You're talking apples and oranges. It is true that environmentalists
have cause restrictions on refining. It is also true that refineries
have been shut down for periods of time for maintenance.

Thereare differering views on "maintenance". Some believe that the oil
companies do this to drive up the prices. Such may indeed be the case.

Another camp holds that because refineries have been restricted from
modernization, the equipment doesn't hold up as well as it did when
new. A simplified version of this is when you buy a new car and have
no real problems with it during the first 5 years, but, from that
point on, the incidence of parts going bad increases.

In my view, both are quite possible. I don't personally believe
corporations are as evil as the far left makes them out to be. At the
same time, I do not believe they are totally innocent, either. There
is a lot of greed out there. The DOTCOM implosion was proof of that.
So, too, are all those people who demand that the government provide
them with free medical, food stamps, and all the rest of the benefits,
without a requirement to earn them.