MIKE Hunter's smaller car thesis??

"Jeff" > wrote in message
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> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> "Jeff" > wrote in message
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>>> larry moe 'n curly wrote:
>>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> George W. Bush has not had any alcohol in a long time; since long
>>>>> before
>>>>> he became President.
>>>> It wasn't alcohol-free beer that he drank at the recent G-8 summit in
>>>> Germany, nor did he miss next morning's activities solely due to tummy
>>>> trouble. At least he didn't get drunk and shoot someone in the face,
>>>> as Cheney did.
>>> Please provide evidence about how much beer he drank in Germany. My
>>> understanding is that he doesn't drink at all any more.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>
>> Maybe. I still wonder why he fondled the chancellor, though.
>
> You know, when you make up things about the President, you hurt your
> argument.
>
> You should know better.
>
> After all, he does so much to hurt his own cause.
>
> Jeff


Because I'm a nice guy, I'll give you one chance to recant your statement
before I provide you with video footage of Bush inappropriately touching the
chancellor, and her reaction.

Do you recant your statement?

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "Jeff" > wrote in message
> news:S%Pii.3325$bO2.3131@trnddc05...
>> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>> "Jeff" > wrote in message
>>> newsePii.16305$MR5.10546@trndny02...
>>>> larry moe 'n curly wrote:
>>>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> George W. Bush has not had any alcohol in a long time; since long
>>>>>> before
>>>>>> he became President.
>>>>> It wasn't alcohol-free beer that he drank at the recent G-8 summit in
>>>>> Germany, nor did he miss next morning's activities solely due to tummy
>>>>> trouble. At least he didn't get drunk and shoot someone in the face,
>>>>> as Cheney did.
>>>> Please provide evidence about how much beer he drank in Germany. My
>>>> understanding is that he doesn't drink at all any more.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>> Maybe. I still wonder why he fondled the chancellor, though.
>> You know, when you make up things about the President, you hurt your
>> argument.
>>
>> You should know better.
>>
>> After all, he does so much to hurt his own cause.
>>
>> Jeff
>
>
> Because I'm a nice guy, I'll give you one chance to recant your statement
> before I provide you with video footage of Bush inappropriately touching the
> chancellor, and her reaction.
>
> Do you recant your statement?

Why would I recant my statement? I have no knowledge of the President
touching her in any appropriate way, and your state behavior to date
doesn't give me much confidence in your statement.

Jeff

"Jeff" > wrote in message
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> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> "Jeff" > wrote in message
>> news:S%Pii.3325$bO2.3131@trnddc05...
>>> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>> "Jeff" > wrote in message
>>>> newsePii.16305$MR5.10546@trndny02...
>>>>> larry moe 'n curly wrote:
>>>>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> George W. Bush has not had any alcohol in a long time; since long
>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>> he became President.
>>>>>> It wasn't alcohol-free beer that he drank at the recent G-8 summit in
>>>>>> Germany, nor did he miss next morning's activities solely due to
>>>>>> tummy
>>>>>> trouble. At least he didn't get drunk and shoot someone in the face,
>>>>>> as Cheney did.
>>>>> Please provide evidence about how much beer he drank in Germany. My
>>>>> understanding is that he doesn't drink at all any more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>> Maybe. I still wonder why he fondled the chancellor, though.
>>> You know, when you make up things about the President, you hurt your
>>> argument.
>>>
>>> You should know better.
>>>
>>> After all, he does so much to hurt his own cause.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> Because I'm a nice guy, I'll give you one chance to recant your statement
>> before I provide you with video footage of Bush inappropriately touching
>> the chancellor, and her reaction.
>>
>> Do you recant your statement?
>
> Why would I recant my statement? I have no knowledge of the President
> touching her in any appropriate way, and your state behavior to date
> doesn't give me much confidence in your statement.

It was on TV news broadcasts at the time, & if you Google "Bush German
Chancellor" you can find articles about it, along w/video, no problem. He
gave her an uninvited shoulder massage as he passed behind her chair, & her
body language reaction was along the lines of "Arghhh" or "Iccck!"

Cathy


>
> Jeff

Cathy F. wrote:
> "Jeff" > wrote in message
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>> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>> "Jeff" > wrote in message
>>> news:S%Pii.3325$bO2.3131@trnddc05...
>>>> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>>> "Jeff" > wrote in message
>>>>> newsePii.16305$MR5.10546@trndny02...
>>>>>> larry moe 'n curly wrote:
>>>>>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> George W. Bush has not had any alcohol in a long time; since long
>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>> he became President.
>>>>>>> It wasn't alcohol-free beer that he drank at the recent G-8 summit in
>>>>>>> Germany, nor did he miss next morning's activities solely due to
>>>>>>> tummy
>>>>>>> trouble. At least he didn't get drunk and shoot someone in the face,
>>>>>>> as Cheney did.
>>>>>> Please provide evidence about how much beer he drank in Germany. My
>>>>>> understanding is that he doesn't drink at all any more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>> Maybe. I still wonder why he fondled the chancellor, though.
>>>> You know, when you make up things about the President, you hurt your
>>>> argument.
>>>>
>>>> You should know better.
>>>>
>>>> After all, he does so much to hurt his own cause.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> Because I'm a nice guy, I'll give you one chance to recant your statement
>>> before I provide you with video footage of Bush inappropriately touching
>>> the chancellor, and her reaction.
>>>
>>> Do you recant your statement?
>> Why would I recant my statement? I have no knowledge of the President
>> touching her in any appropriate way, and your state behavior to date
>> doesn't give me much confidence in your statement.
>
> It was on TV news broadcasts at the time, & if you Google "Bush German
> Chancellor" you can find articles about it, along w/video, no problem. He
> gave her an uninvited shoulder massage as he passed behind her chair, & her
> body language reaction was along the lines of "Arghhh" or "Iccck!"

I would not use the word "fondle" to describe this.

Jeff

> Cathy
>
>
>> Jeff
>
>

"Jeff" > wrote in message
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> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> "Jeff" > wrote in message
>> news:S%Pii.3325$bO2.3131@trnddc05...
>>> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>> "Jeff" > wrote in message
>>>> newsePii.16305$MR5.10546@trndny02...
>>>>> larry moe 'n curly wrote:
>>>>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> George W. Bush has not had any alcohol in a long time; since long
>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>> he became President.
>>>>>> It wasn't alcohol-free beer that he drank at the recent G-8 summit in
>>>>>> Germany, nor did he miss next morning's activities solely due to
>>>>>> tummy
>>>>>> trouble. At least he didn't get drunk and shoot someone in the face,
>>>>>> as Cheney did.
>>>>> Please provide evidence about how much beer he drank in Germany. My
>>>>> understanding is that he doesn't drink at all any more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>> Maybe. I still wonder why he fondled the chancellor, though.
>>> You know, when you make up things about the President, you hurt your
>>> argument.
>>>
>>> You should know better.
>>>
>>> After all, he does so much to hurt his own cause.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> Because I'm a nice guy, I'll give you one chance to recant your statement
>> before I provide you with video footage of Bush inappropriately touching
>> the chancellor, and her reaction.
>>
>> Do you recant your statement?
>
> Why would I recant my statement? I have no knowledge of the President
> touching her in any appropriate way, and your state behavior to date
> doesn't give me much confidence in your statement.
>
> Jeff

Jeff, you really need to become a better citizen and pay attention to the
news.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n1823983.shtml

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dfrHT8o-0A

I play in a band, so obviously, I spend lots of time observing drunk people.
What Bush did is pretty common* behavior for drunk guys in bars. They have
no clue about the physical space that most people consider the norm. They
walk up to a woman and massage her shoulders, but since they have no idea
how to do it, they annoy the woman, and perhaps give her a muscle knot that
hurts for 20 minutes.


A second definition, applicable to Bush's behavior in the video:
Common - 5 a: falling below ordinary standards : second-rate b: lacking
refinement : coarse

"Jeff" > wrote in message
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>> It was on TV news broadcasts at the time, & if you Google "Bush German
>> Chancellor" you can find articles about it, along w/video, no problem.
>> He gave her an uninvited shoulder massage as he passed behind her chair,
>> & her body language reaction was along the lines of "Arghhh" or "Iccck!"
>
> I would not use the word "fondle" to describe this.
>
> Jeff


You wouldn't, but her reaction clearly indicated that it was inappropriate
and undesirable.

"Jeff" > wrote in message
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> Cathy F. wrote:
>> "Jeff" > wrote in message
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>>> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>> "Jeff" > wrote in message
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>>>>> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>>>> "Jeff" > wrote in message
>>>>>> newsePii.16305$MR5.10546@trndny02...
>>>>>>> larry moe 'n curly wrote:
>>>>>>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> George W. Bush has not had any alcohol in a long time; since long
>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>> he became President.
>>>>>>>> It wasn't alcohol-free beer that he drank at the recent G-8 summit
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> Germany, nor did he miss next morning's activities solely due to
>>>>>>>> tummy
>>>>>>>> trouble. At least he didn't get drunk and shoot someone in the
>>>>>>>> face,
>>>>>>>> as Cheney did.
>>>>>>> Please provide evidence about how much beer he drank in Germany. My
>>>>>>> understanding is that he doesn't drink at all any more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>> Maybe. I still wonder why he fondled the chancellor, though.
>>>>> You know, when you make up things about the President, you hurt your
>>>>> argument.
>>>>>
>>>>> You should know better.
>>>>>
>>>>> After all, he does so much to hurt his own cause.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>> Because I'm a nice guy, I'll give you one chance to recant your
>>>> statement before I provide you with video footage of Bush
>>>> inappropriately touching the chancellor, and her reaction.
>>>>
>>>> Do you recant your statement?
>>> Why would I recant my statement? I have no knowledge of the President
>>> touching her in any appropriate way, and your state behavior to date
>>> doesn't give me much confidence in your statement.
>>
>> It was on TV news broadcasts at the time, & if you Google "Bush German
>> Chancellor" you can find articles about it, along w/video, no problem.
>> He gave her an uninvited shoulder massage as he passed behind her chair,
>> & her body language reaction was along the lines of "Arghhh" or "Iccck!"
>
> I would not use the word "fondle" to describe this.

I would! Men do *not* go around giving women shoulder rubs unless they are
close to eachother & it's understood to be an invited touch.

Cathy

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "Jeff" > wrote in message
> news:UBQii.4236$Of2.3624@trnddc06...
>
>>> It was on TV news broadcasts at the time, & if you Google "Bush German
>>> Chancellor" you can find articles about it, along w/video, no problem.
>>> He gave her an uninvited shoulder massage as he passed behind her chair,
>>> & her body language reaction was along the lines of "Arghhh" or "Iccck!"
>> I would not use the word "fondle" to describe this.
>>
>> Jeff
>
>
> You wouldn't, but her reaction clearly indicated that it was inappropriate
> and undesirable.

We saw what? six seconds of action? We don't know the context. It could
have been highly offensive or just a joke or a gesture of friendship.
And, IMHO, her reaction indicated surprise at an unexpected shoulder
massage.

From what I've read, it was just a friendly gesture that had no sexual
connotation at all.

At any rate, I disagree with calling this 3 second shoulder rub,
undesirable or not, "fondling."

Jeff

"Jeff" > wrote in message
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> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> "Jeff" > wrote in message
>> news:UBQii.4236$Of2.3624@trnddc06...
>>
>>>> It was on TV news broadcasts at the time, & if you Google "Bush German
>>>> Chancellor" you can find articles about it, along w/video, no problem.
>>>> He gave her an uninvited shoulder massage as he passed behind her
>>>> chair, & her body language reaction was along the lines of "Arghhh" or
>>>> "Iccck!"
>>> I would not use the word "fondle" to describe this.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> You wouldn't, but her reaction clearly indicated that it was
>> inappropriate and undesirable.
>
> We saw what? six seconds of action? We don't know the context. It could
> have been highly offensive or just a joke or a gesture of friendship. And,
> IMHO, her reaction indicated surprise at an unexpected shoulder massage.
>
> From what I've read, it was just a friendly gesture that had no sexual
> connotation at all.
>
> At any rate, I disagree with calling this 3 second shoulder rub,
> undesirable or not, "fondling."

Look at her facial expression & the tenseness of her shoulders, up in the
air. That overture was obviously *not* a welcome one. (I hope Laura gave
him hell about it later; nothing to do w/jealousy, but the
inappropriateness of the touch.)

Cathy


>
> Jeff

"Jeff" > wrote in message
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> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> "Jeff" > wrote in message
>> news:UBQii.4236$Of2.3624@trnddc06...
>>
>>>> It was on TV news broadcasts at the time, & if you Google "Bush German
>>>> Chancellor" you can find articles about it, along w/video, no problem.
>>>> He gave her an uninvited shoulder massage as he passed behind her
>>>> chair, & her body language reaction was along the lines of "Arghhh" or
>>>> "Iccck!"
>>> I would not use the word "fondle" to describe this.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> You wouldn't, but her reaction clearly indicated that it was
>> inappropriate and undesirable.
>
> We saw what? six seconds of action? We don't know the context. It could
> have been highly offensive or just a joke or a gesture of friendship. And,
> IMHO, her reaction indicated surprise at an unexpected shoulder massage.
>
> From what I've read, it was just a friendly gesture that had no sexual
> connotation at all.
>
> At any rate, I disagree with calling this 3 second shoulder rub,
> undesirable or not, "fondling."
>
> Jeff

The context? They're at a friggin' conference table at the G8 summit, in
front of television cameras, you knucklehead!

How old are you?