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Old November 26th 19, 02:30 AM posted to rec.autos.tech
delvon daily
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Default Intelligent choice of oil filter?

It's a camry where I went to walmart and they had Fram, Mobile 1, K&E,
Super Tech, Bosch, and others.

I know enough to realize price is never an indicator of quality but what
is?

What spec can we look for on the package that will help us determine which
oil filter is better than another when both are in our hands?
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Old November 26th 19, 04:35 AM posted to rec.autos.tech
Paul in Houston TX[_2_]
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Default Intelligent choice of oil filter?

delvon daily wrote:
> It's a camry where I went to walmart and they had Fram, Mobile 1, K&E,
> Super Tech, Bosch, and others.
>
> I know enough to realize price is never an indicator of quality but what
> is?
>
> What spec can we look for on the package that will help us determine which
> oil filter is better than another when both are in our hands?


None. You will need to read the specs, reviews, and opinions on the
web. Especially the reviews from people that cut the filters open and
compared the innards on youtube.
example:
https://www.ericthecarguy.com/kunena...-good?start=10


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Old November 26th 19, 06:33 AM posted to rec.autos.tech
Steve W.[_6_]
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Default Intelligent choice of oil filter?

delvon daily wrote:
> It's a camry where I went to walmart and they had Fram, Mobile 1, K&E,
> Super Tech, Bosch, and others.
>
> I know enough to realize price is never an indicator of quality but what
> is?
>
> What spec can we look for on the package that will help us determine which
> oil filter is better than another when both are in our hands?


There are none. Even going by the brand may not help when they might not
source every filter from the same manufacturer.
I opt for Original Equipment filters, if OEM isn't available I go with
Wix/NAPA Gold.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/


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Old November 26th 19, 05:14 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
Percival P. Cassidy[_2_]
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Default Intelligent choice of oil filter?

On 11/26/19 12:33 AM, Steve W. wrote:

>> It's a camry where I went to walmart and they had Fram, Mobile 1, K&E,
>> Super Tech, Bosch, and others.
>>
>> I know enough to realize price is never an indicator of quality but what
>> is?
>>
>> What spec can we look for on the package that will help us determine
>> which
>> oil filter is better than another when both are in our hands?

>
> There are none. Even going by the brand may not help when they might not
> source every filter from the same manufacturer.
> I opt for Original Equipment filters, if OEM isn't available I go with
> Wix/NAPA Gold.
>
> https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/


I've read that NAPA Gold are in fact rebranded Wix -- but there are NAPA
Platinum as well, for more money.

Fram has several different qualities of filter, and maybe other brands
do too.

Perce
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Old November 26th 19, 05:42 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
Scott Dorsey
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Default Intelligent choice of oil filter?

delvon daily > wrote:
>It's a camry where I went to walmart and they had Fram, Mobile 1, K&E,
>Super Tech, Bosch, and others.
>
>I know enough to realize price is never an indicator of quality but what
>is?


Cut one open and see. You will find the construction differences are
pretty dramatic.

>What spec can we look for on the package that will help us determine which
>oil filter is better than another when both are in our hands?


There aren't any specs on the package, and the name on the box has nothing
to do with the manufacturer much of the time. The Bosch filters for my
E28 are made by one contractor in Germany, while the Bosch filters for my
E30 are made by a different contractor in Poland. Interestingly enough,
that contractor in Poland appears to be making them for everybody selling
that model filter, but they make better quality ones for some resellers
and poorer quality ones for others.

Cut one open and look at the quality of the seals and the filter material.
--scott

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Old November 26th 19, 06:05 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
delvon daily
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Default Intelligent choice of oil filter?

Paul in Houston TX wrote:

> None. You will need to read the specs, reviews, and opinions on the
> web. Especially the reviews from people that cut the filters open and
> compared the innards on youtube.
> example:
> https://www.ericthecarguy.com/kunena...-good?start=10


Thanks for that pointer, where I was hoping there would be a spec on the
box like there is for motor oil (like API SH or SN or SM) that I could use
to compare filter to filter.

The first video I watched was this cutout test of
https://youtu.be/lrAbxCZlZpE?t=423
Bosch was the only clear winner
Mobile 1 & STP & Fram were in that order

The second video I watch was this cutout test of
https://youtu.be/xAdNL7bT0C8?t=100
Amsoil he said was the best, by far
Hastings was the only one with a coil spring
Motorcraft had a great bypass valve
Federated was next in quality using different material
AC Delco "does the job but is kind of garbage"
Fram was the worst which seems to always be the case

The third video looked at each part in series
(1) base plate & gasket material
(2) antidrainback valve (silicone is better than buna)
(3) bypass spring (coil is better than leaf spring)
(4) filter material (20 microns) & metal spine & number of pleats
(5) can
https://youtu.be/kx-NT1DEtlU?t=135
Wix (better pleating, better end cap, coil bypass)
Amsoil (pretty good but expensive, messy glue)
Royal Purple (pretty good but more expensive)
K&N (nice cellulose pleats, one-inch wrench seat & safety wire lug)
Fram Extra Guard (pleating has a "big gap")

It seems that price makes almost no difference in quality.
Fram & STP are universally disliked, at any price for example.
Bosch & Wix and a few others come out on top.

Since I don't have time to explore every filter on earth, I think I'll pick
one (like the K&E) that is universally good, and then just spend my time
trying to source it at the best price in bulk.
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Old November 27th 19, 02:10 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
jim
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Default Intelligent choice of oil filter?

delvon daily wrote on 11/25/2019 7:30 PM:
> It's a camry where I went to walmart and they had Fram, Mobile 1, K&E,
> Super Tech, Bosch, and others.
>
> I know enough to realize price is never an indicator of quality but what
> is?
>
> What spec can we look for on the package that will help us determine which
> oil filter is better than another when both are in our hands?
>


The purpose of a filter is to remove dirt particles from the oil
If it removes a lot of dirt the flow of oil will be restricted.
If you get to the point where the by-pass valve kicks in then
you are abusing your engine. The solution is not a better filter
but to change oil and filter more often. The cheapest filter
on a clean engine will perform better than an expensive filter
in a dirty engine with sludge accumulation,

My Camry does not have a cartridge - it has a replaceable filter
element. If the old filter element feels heavy that would be a sign it
should have been changed sooner
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Old November 28th 19, 01:55 AM posted to rec.autos.tech
Steve W.[_6_]
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Default Intelligent choice of oil filter?

Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
> On 11/26/19 12:33 AM, Steve W. wrote:
>
>>> It's a camry where I went to walmart and they had Fram, Mobile 1, K&E,
>>> Super Tech, Bosch, and others.
>>>
>>> I know enough to realize price is never an indicator of quality but what
>>> is?
>>>
>>> What spec can we look for on the package that will help us determine
>>> which
>>> oil filter is better than another when both are in our hands?

>> There are none. Even going by the brand may not help when they might not
>> source every filter from the same manufacturer.
>> I opt for Original Equipment filters, if OEM isn't available I go with
>> Wix/NAPA Gold.
>>
>> https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/

>
> I've read that NAPA Gold are in fact rebranded Wix -- but there are NAPA
> Platinum as well, for more money.


Correct, NAPA Gold are WIX filters. The Platinums are as well but they
use a higher level media, that really isn't needed.

>
> Fram has several different qualities of filter, and maybe other brands
> do too.


Frams biggest issue is that they make them cheap across the board.

>
> Perce



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Old November 28th 19, 02:03 AM posted to rec.autos.tech
Steve W.[_6_]
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Default Intelligent choice of oil filter?

delvon daily wrote:
> Paul in Houston TX wrote:
>
>> None. You will need to read the specs, reviews, and opinions on the
>> web. Especially the reviews from people that cut the filters open and
>> compared the innards on youtube.
>> example:
>> https://www.ericthecarguy.com/kunena...-good?start=10

>
> Thanks for that pointer, where I was hoping there would be a spec on the
> box like there is for motor oil (like API SH or SN or SM) that I could use
> to compare filter to filter.

SNIP
> It seems that price makes almost no difference in quality.
> Fram & STP are universally disliked, at any price for example.
> Bosch & Wix and a few others come out on top.
>
> Since I don't have time to explore every filter on earth, I think I'll pick
> one (like the K&E) that is universally good, and then just spend my time
> trying to source it at the best price in bulk.


Price doesn't mean much in many cases when it comes to auto parts.
Especially these days because they source the parts from so many makers.
You can buy 20 of the same part number and discover they were made by 5
different companies and are just stamped with the name and number as
requested.

I generally buy the filters for the home fleet off of Rock Auto.
Normally in lots of 10 or so per vehicle. If you call them you can ask
what the case lot amount is and they just tag the box and ship it.
Plus they may have the OEM filter as well as after market.

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Steve W.
 




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