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‘Obamessiah:’ Turning Water into Wine and Nothing into Energy



 
 
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Old August 21st 08, 05:29 PM posted to talk.politics.misc,talk.environment,rec.autos.driving,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.republicans
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> ‘Obamessiah:’ Turning Water into Wine and Nothing into Energy
>
> By Jan Mel Poller
>
> ** Data charts @www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.918/pub_detail.asp
>
> The election is boiling down to two main issues: the economy – which
> is focused on energy and energy costs – and the wars in Iraq and
> Afghanistan. Energy is now front and centre. Obama and the Democrats,
> McCain and the Republicans are now focused on energy. There is more to
> their differences than first meets the eye.
>
> I listened to Obama’s energy policy speech and read the Huffing ton
> Post comments on it. I was appalled at the apparent ignorance of the
> speech writers, the researchers, the commenters and, above all, Obama
> himself.


Probably appalled that a black man is running for President too.

>
> Maybe having a degree in math and physics and a life-long love of fast
> cars makes me not understand the change of vision the “Obamessiah” is
> attempting to bring to us. Perhaps I can bring a little bit of reality
> to people who do not have the technical background that I (and
> millions of others) have. The technical details may seem confusing,
> but it is necessary to put them in to show that Obama’s statements are
> strictly political, designed to mislead people and are at odds with
> reality.
>
> Obama says that electric cars will save us from oil and fossil fuel,
> but electric cars are not a viable alternative to the current fleet of
> cars. Everyone knows this, which is why Obama is making his call for
> massive investment in electric car research. Never mind that private
> industry is investing far more than Obama is saying he will invest.
>
> There are approximately 600 million cars in the world, of which 243
> million are in the United States. Think about that when it comes to
> pollution and the use of resources. Also think about it as an industry
> that employees millions of people.
>
> Today, we have a really good comparison of a state-of-the-art electric
> car and a conventional car. The electric car is the Tesla Roadster
> which is based on the Lotus Elise SC sports car and is built in the
> same factory. Both cars are based on the same aluminum frame with
> composite bodies. I bring you these specifications to make the point
> that electric cars are not feasible replacements for today’s cars.
> Basic physics: the more anything weighs the more energy it takes to
> move it around.
>
> Electric car information is available. Obama and the Democrats
> studiously ignore exact information and just give us “feel good”
> platitudes.
>
> Obama is going to mandate that we develop technology in a year or two
> that we haven’t been able to develop in 150 years. He compares his
> plan to the Manhattan Project that created the atomic bomb in just a
> few years. What he doesn’t realize is that the atomic bomb had a
> hundred years of physics behind it, including knowledge of
> radioactivity and chain reactions. We do not have the same physics to
> produce a battery suitable for mass production to power a car.
>


Yeah, electricity has only been known for ... centuries.

> When you look at energy saving articles and comments on pro-Obama web
> sites, you find huge support for the idea that putting a little more
> air in your tires is going to reduce our oil consumption enough to
> affect the price of gas. You also find energy saving tips like “turn
> off your computers when you aren’t using them.” Well, a typical laptop
> computer as the equivalent of six batteries as used in the Tesla. The
> Tesla Roadster with its 6,800 batteries is equivalent to plugging in
> 1,133 laptop computers! You can make your own comparison on that.
>
> Even if we invent the technology tomorrow, Obama has no clue how long
> it takes to put a new model car into production. Once a car is
> designed, it has to be tested, the tooling produced and the factories
> modified. It costs at least $1 billion to make the tooling and set up
> the factory. It took General Motors from 2006 to 2008 to take the new
> Chevrolet Camaro from concept to production using existing platforms,
> engines, suspensions and other components.
>
> Obama is forecasting one million electric cars a year by 2015. That is
> not a lot of cars. In the United States, we have a fleet of 243
> million cars and we purchase about 16 million a year. One million is
> 4/10% of that number. They will have no meaningful effect on fuel
> usage for many, many years.


Like off-shore drilling.

>
> Obama talks about creating new jobs in Michigan. He is also talking
> about putting the oil companies and their hundreds of thousands of
> employees out of business. He wants to take all of their profits as a
> tax and give it to “the people.” So, besides putting them out of the
> oil business, he wants to make sure that they don’t have funds to get
> into a new business.


OK, now you're a liar and a fool.

>
> *The added weight of the batteries over the gas engine version of cars
> requires more energy to move the car. If transportation uses 20
> million barrels of fuel today, switching to electric will require the
> energy equivalent plus the additional amount for the additional
> weight. Where is this energy going to come from? Nuclear is ruled out.
> Wind off Cape Cod is a no-no. We can’t use coal, either.
>


So why is GM rushing its Volt electric car into production?

> All this energy is going to come from things not yet invented. Obama
> will need to have congress repeal or change the laws of physics to
> accomplish his implied goals.
>
> Buy it if you want, but not a single implied goal of his can be met
> even if we have a battery life breakthrough tomorrow.
>
> The other night, I watched an episode of Ice Road Truckers on the
> History Channel. This show is about blue collar truck drivers
> delivering supplies and equipment of frozen lakes, rivers and Barents
> Sea. Our “liberal” and “progressive” intellectuals take pride in not
> watching such shows on TV because they aren’t intellectually
> stimulating; they aren’t Meet the Press or Chris Matthews.
>
> There is much to learn from this show and what we learn is the self-
> imposed ignorance the hard Left and extreme Greenies. These truckers
> are Canadian.


Most are American. You apparently watched with the sound off.


>They are hauling supplies and equipment to the far north
> of Canada to support energy companies and diamond mines.


Diamond mines was last year; this year it's a natural gas drilling
site. Are you sure you watched the show?


>They haul out
> waste. They haul out dirty snow. They leave a site as clean as when
> they got there.
>
> The episode I watched showed scientists camped out on ice over open
> water researching the capture of methane from sea-floor methane
> hydrates. They showed that it works. In that part of the Arctic, there
> are over a trillion cubic feet of methane.
>
> We Americans are not allowed to do this research.


Bull.

>The Canadians and
> the rest of the world can. We Americans are not allowed to drill for
> oil in the frozen north.


Yes you can. There are millions of acres open. Not just the ones
that are a wildlife refuge.

> The Canadians and the rest of the world can.
> We Americans are not allowed to drill far off the coasts.



Nobody else is drilling right off our coasts either.

>The
> Norwegians and English are free to drill in the North Sea. We, in my
> home state of Virginia, are not allowed to study uranium deposits –
> despite having the seventh largest known deposit at 110 million
> pounds.



"Study" uranium? What does that mean.

>Africans, Canadian and Australians are free to do so. We
> Americans are not allowed to build new nuclear power plants.


Bull. Nobody has told you to not build a plant. In fact, a number of
licences are pending.

> The rest
> of the world is.
>
> Do we hear any of the Environmentalists complain about what any other
> country is doing? Absolutely not!


Sure we do.


>The same people who decry American
> nuclear power plants, who stop us from building more, are often the
> very same people who strongly support Iran’s right to a “nuclear power
> program.”


Now you're a liar again.

>
> What is going on here?
>
> Obama and the Democrats keep saying, “We can’t drill our way out of
> the problem.” That is true when you realize what they think the
> problem is. It isn’t high energy prices: they want us to pay even
> more. Obama has said so himself.


Most people realize that's the way to deal with energy and reduce its
consumption.

>
> No, “The Problem” in their minds is that Americans live too well and
> use to much of the world’s resources.
>
> How do they solve “The Problem?” They solve it by restricting the use
> of energy and raw materials. They reduce our standard of living to
> that of, say, Europe.



Uh, Europe is as high if not higher.

>This is not about per capita GDP. This is about
> how we actually live. Watch International House Hunting on HG-TV
> (House and Garden TV – another non-intellectual show that isn’t
> watched by the hard Left intellectuals). See what housing is like in
> London, Glasgow, Paris, Portugal, Italy and Buenos Aires and compare
> it to our housing. Compare kitchens and bathrooms. Compare our 15 CU
> FT refrigerators and freezers to an under-counter refrigerator.


Compare our energy usage.

>
> The hard Left wants us to be a less powerful, less industrialized
> poorer nation. They want us to give up our cars for buses. They want
> us to wash our dishes by hand and dry our clothes in the wind. They
> want us to do this, not them.


You are a liar.


> Al Gore isn’t giving up his big house,
> his SUV, his private airplane flights, or his new boat to live the way
> he wants us to live.
>
> Obama wants to take Exxon-Mobile’s profits and give them away. Has he
> set the example by giving away his riches?


Has he earned billions every 3 months?

>
> The Lefties of the world want to diminish the power of the United
> States. Then they want to destroy the power of Western civilization.
> They want to destroy Capitalism. They want absolute equality for all.
> Except for the leaders, of course... Just like Communist China and
> Communist Russia.


You are an idiot.

> *-----=====o0o=====-----
> FamilySecurityMatters.org Contributing Editor Jan Mel Poller holds
> degrees in math and physics, and has had a 40-plus year career in
> computer software. He believes that technology, science and politics
> all come together when we face the challenges of the world.


And is an idiot and a liar. As are you for posting this.
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