Trying to Start "Clean": Possible?

I live in Arizona. Yes I did post about this sometime back. I live in AZ and
have, largely through my own irresponsibility, racked up traffic fines in
excess of $2000. So driver's license is suspended.

I'm not a bad driver, really--OK, everyone always says that, but really I
don't do stupid things with regards to being dangerous. I just seem to
attract the attention of police officers for some reason. OK that sounds
lame, but that's all I can figure so far.

Anyway, at this point I do have a Dec court date for a more recent driving
on suspended license accusation. Regarding past infractions, I had setup a
payment plan--which admitely I had not been 100% current on lately--and very
recently had telephoned the courthouse and was told that NO outstanding
warrants existed. But when pulled more recently, they said that 10--yes
10--infractions pulled up.

How can that be?

At this point it feels useless. Yes I do agree for the most part that taking
responsibility is the thing to do. I'm not necessarily advocating scofflaw
tactics. But it just feels like no matter what I do everything goes wrong. I
call the courthouse and nothing shows warrants-wise; just a couple of months
later, and TEN suspended license infractions are showing up? How?

Thus, if I am unable to satisfy these infractions--and I guess maybe it's
from not being 100% current with payments but that was an impossibility
given my job situation--I could go to jail when I show up for the suspended
license court date. Frankly, I am considering just leaving this state and
not handling anything. OK I do realize again that's running and not facing
up--but frankly, esp with them going from no warrants to 10 infractions in
just a couple of months it feels like it's impossible to clear things up at
this point. At some point it just seem to get to be a thing that it's
impossible to clear it all up and so it's just better to move on and try
again elsewhere with a "fresh start."

I guess one of my key questions is--surely they wouldn't arrest me 3,000
miles away on something like this and transport me back to AZ would
they--especially if several years were to go by?

I had once lived in the southeastern US and my driver's license there was
fine. It just expired from age. Couldn't I just renew there and move on--and
just mail payments back here as I get a better job and more money to handle
it?

You see, it's not just this license and impending court date issue that is
tempting me to move--it's frankly that employment here is terrible. I need a
fresh start in that way something awful--sticking around here just giving me
anything but more trouble.

I know, I am inviting some flames, but I really need some advice. I really
am not so much trying to flee accountability so much as just start clean.
After all, it's a suspended license--it's not like I robbed a bank or
molested a child here.

noone:


> I know, I am inviting some flames,

Ya mean from assholes like "Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend?" Just
ignore those ****heads.

> but I really need some advice. I really
> am not so much trying to flee accountability so much as just start clean.

Most of the advice you get here will be worth what you paid for it,
except these three words: GET A LAWYER!! Same as I told dat other guy
and God knows you need one. You have apparently been trying to navagate
the kangaroo traffic courts in that banana republic you are living in
and look at the mess its gotten you into.

> After all, it's a suspended license- it's not like I robbed a bank or
> molested a child here.

No, you are withholding the state's revenue. That's far, far, far, far,
far, far, far, far, far, far more worse than molesting a child or
robbing a bank could ever hope to be.

noone wrote:
> I live in Arizona. Yes I did post about this sometime back. I live in AZ and
> have, largely through my own irresponsibility, racked up traffic fines in
> excess of $2000. So driver's license is suspended.
>
> I'm not a bad driver, really--OK, everyone always says that, but really I
> don't do stupid things with regards to being dangerous. I just seem to
> attract the attention of police officers for some reason. OK that sounds
> lame, but that's all I can figure so far.
>
> Anyway, at this point I do have a Dec court date for a more recent driving
> on suspended license accusation. Regarding past infractions, I had setup a
> payment plan--which admitely I had not been 100% current on lately--and very
> recently had telephoned the courthouse and was told that NO outstanding
> warrants existed. But when pulled more recently, they said that 10--yes
> 10--infractions pulled up.
>
> How can that be?
>
> At this point it feels useless. Yes I do agree for the most part that taking
> responsibility is the thing to do. I'm not necessarily advocating scofflaw
> tactics. But it just feels like no matter what I do everything goes wrong. I
> call the courthouse and nothing shows warrants-wise; just a couple of months
> later, and TEN suspended license infractions are showing up? How?
>
> Thus, if I am unable to satisfy these infractions--and I guess maybe it's
> from not being 100% current with payments but that was an impossibility
> given my job situation--I could go to jail when I show up for the suspended
> license court date. Frankly, I am considering just leaving this state and
> not handling anything. OK I do realize again that's running and not facing
> up--but frankly, esp with them going from no warrants to 10 infractions in
> just a couple of months it feels like it's impossible to clear things up at
> this point. At some point it just seem to get to be a thing that it's
> impossible to clear it all up and so it's just better to move on and try
> again elsewhere with a "fresh start."
>
> I guess one of my key questions is--surely they wouldn't arrest me 3,000
> miles away on something like this and transport me back to AZ would
> they--especially if several years were to go by?
>
> I had once lived in the southeastern US and my driver's license there was
> fine. It just expired from age. Couldn't I just renew there and move on--and
> just mail payments back here as I get a better job and more money to handle
> it?
>
> You see, it's not just this license and impending court date issue that is
> tempting me to move--it's frankly that employment here is terrible. I need a
> fresh start in that way something awful--sticking around here just giving me
> anything but more trouble.
>
> I know, I am inviting some flames, but I really need some advice. I really
> am not so much trying to flee accountability so much as just start clean.
> After all, it's a suspended license--it's not like I robbed a bank or
> molested a child here.

Unless AZ has different definitions than most other places, an
infraction is not a warrant. An infraction is a traffic ticket, a
warrant is issued for failing to take care of that/those tickets.

As for starting over - depends on the state. If the state you move to
is a member of the interstate compact it probably won't work. Most of
those states work on the 'suspended in one, suspended in all" prinicple
and yes if they discover you had a lic in AZ it will be discovered that
you are suspended.

As for how you attract so much attention. Well DUH it's your driving.

Harry K

One other thing--for failure to appear (whether regular ticket or suspended
license) they typically don't aggressively track down such persons I assume,
the person is just in trouble if they're driving in that particular state
and get pulled for a violation. Those "you're wanted in this state for that,
so off to jail you go" where people get in trouble out-of-state typically
applies with things like robbery or extreme DWIs, not suspended license or
speeding tickets--am I right?

I can't imagine someone being tracked down and hauled halfway across the
country over a failure-to-appear in some relatively minor thing when they're
halfway across the country.


"noone" > wrote in message
news:h1Bhf.9782$dv.3923@fed1read02...
>I live in Arizona. Yes I did post about this sometime back. I live in AZ
>and
> have, largely through my own irresponsibility, racked up traffic fines in
> excess of $2000. So driver's license is suspended.
>
> I'm not a bad driver, really--OK, everyone always says that, but really I
> don't do stupid things with regards to being dangerous. I just seem to
> attract the attention of police officers for some reason. OK that sounds
> lame, but that's all I can figure so far.
>
> Anyway, at this point I do have a Dec court date for a more recent driving
> on suspended license accusation. Regarding past infractions, I had setup a
> payment plan--which admitely I had not been 100% current on lately--and
> very
> recently had telephoned the courthouse and was told that NO outstanding
> warrants existed. But when pulled more recently, they said that 10--yes
> 10--infractions pulled up.
>
> How can that be?
>
> At this point it feels useless. Yes I do agree for the most part that
> taking
> responsibility is the thing to do. I'm not necessarily advocating scofflaw
> tactics. But it just feels like no matter what I do everything goes wrong.
> I
> call the courthouse and nothing shows warrants-wise; just a couple of
> months
> later, and TEN suspended license infractions are showing up? How?
>
> Thus, if I am unable to satisfy these infractions--and I guess maybe it's
> from not being 100% current with payments but that was an impossibility
> given my job situation--I could go to jail when I show up for the
> suspended
> license court date. Frankly, I am considering just leaving this state and
> not handling anything. OK I do realize again that's running and not facing
> up--but frankly, esp with them going from no warrants to 10 infractions in
> just a couple of months it feels like it's impossible to clear things up
> at
> this point. At some point it just seem to get to be a thing that it's
> impossible to clear it all up and so it's just better to move on and try
> again elsewhere with a "fresh start."
>
> I guess one of my key questions is--surely they wouldn't arrest me 3,000
> miles away on something like this and transport me back to AZ would
> they--especially if several years were to go by?
>
> I had once lived in the southeastern US and my driver's license there was
> fine. It just expired from age. Couldn't I just renew there and move
> on--and
> just mail payments back here as I get a better job and more money to
> handle
> it?
>
> You see, it's not just this license and impending court date issue that is
> tempting me to move--it's frankly that employment here is terrible. I need
> a
> fresh start in that way something awful--sticking around here just giving
> me
> anything but more trouble.
>
> I know, I am inviting some flames, but I really need some advice. I really
> am not so much trying to flee accountability so much as just start clean.
> After all, it's a suspended license--it's not like I robbed a bank or
> molested a child here.
>
>

noone wrote:
> I live in Arizona. Yes I did post about this sometime back. I live in AZ and
> have, largely through my own irresponsibility, racked up traffic fines in
> excess of $2000. So driver's license is suspended.
>
> I'm not a bad driver, really--OK, everyone always says that, but really I
> don't do stupid things with regards to being dangerous. I just seem to
> attract the attention of police officers for some reason. OK that sounds
> lame, but that's all I can figure so far.

If you have more than $2,000 worth of traffic fines, then you are a bad
driver.

>
> Anyway, at this point I do have a Dec court date for a more recent driving
> on suspended license accusation. Regarding past infractions, I had setup a
> payment plan--which admitely I had not been 100% current on lately--and very
> recently had telephoned the courthouse and was told that NO outstanding
> warrants existed. But when pulled more recently, they said that 10--yes
> 10--infractions pulled up.
>
> How can that be?
>
> At this point it feels useless. Yes I do agree for the most part that taking
> responsibility is the thing to do. I'm not necessarily advocating scofflaw
> tactics. But it just feels like no matter what I do everything goes wrong. I
> call the courthouse and nothing shows warrants-wise; just a couple of months
> later, and TEN suspended license infractions are showing up? How?
>
> Thus, if I am unable to satisfy these infractions--and I guess maybe it's
> from not being 100% current with payments but that was an impossibility
> given my job situation--I could go to jail when I show up for the suspended
> license court date. Frankly, I am considering just leaving this state and
> not handling anything. OK I do realize again that's running and not facing
> up--but frankly, esp with them going from no warrants to 10 infractions in
> just a couple of months it feels like it's impossible to clear things up at
> this point. At some point it just seem to get to be a thing that it's
> impossible to clear it all up and so it's just better to move on and try
> again elsewhere with a "fresh start."
>
> I guess one of my key questions is--surely they wouldn't arrest me 3,000
> miles away on something like this and transport me back to AZ would
> they--especially if several years were to go by?

Probably not.

>
> I had once lived in the southeastern US and my driver's license there was
> fine. It just expired from age. Couldn't I just renew there and move on--and
> just mail payments back here as I get a better job and more money to handle
> it?

Probably not. Most states share license information. The southeastern
state will (or should) know about your AZ license suspension. They are
not going to renew you until your AZ license is cleared up.

>
> You see, it's not just this license and impending court date issue that is
> tempting me to move--it's frankly that employment here is terrible. I need a
> fresh start in that way something awful--sticking around here just giving me
> anything but more trouble.

You need to stop driving. The more you drive on a suspended license,
the more you get caught, and the deeper you dig your hole. Find a job
that you can walk to. Pay off the fines as quickly as you are able to.
When you finally get your license restored, consider your experience
and be more conscientous.

>
> I know, I am inviting some flames, but I really need some advice. I really
> am not so much trying to flee accountability so much as just start clean.

Actually you are trying to flee accountability. Society is structured
to prevent people from fleeing accountability so there is no good
advice for you.

> After all, it's a suspended license--it's not like I robbed a bank or
> molested a child here.

In article <h1Bhf.9782$dv.3923@fed1read02>, "noone" >
wrote:
>
> You see, it's not just this license and impending court date issue that is
> tempting me to move--it's frankly that employment here is terrible. I need a
> fresh start in that way something awful--sticking around here just giving me
> anything but more trouble.

With your driving history, YOU ARE A BAD DRIVER. You need to see an
attorney about your situation, but most importantly, you need to start
taking responsibility for yourself.

On 25 Nov 2005 18:46:03 -0800, "Furious George" > wrote:

>
>noone wrote:
>> I live in Arizona. Yes I did post about this sometime back. I live in AZ and
>> have, largely through my own irresponsibility, racked up traffic fines in
>> excess of $2000. So driver's license is suspended.
>>
>> I'm not a bad driver, really--OK, everyone always says that, but really I
>> don't do stupid things with regards to being dangerous. I just seem to
>> attract the attention of police officers for some reason. OK that sounds
>> lame, but that's all I can figure so far.
>
>If you have more than $2,000 worth of traffic fines, then you are a bad
>driver.
>
>>
>> Anyway, at this point I do have a Dec court date for a more recent driving
>> on suspended license accusation. Regarding past infractions, I had setup a
>> payment plan--which admitely I had not been 100% current on lately--and very
>> recently had telephoned the courthouse and was told that NO outstanding
>> warrants existed. But when pulled more recently, they said that 10--yes
>> 10--infractions pulled up.
>>
>> How can that be?
>>
>> At this point it feels useless. Yes I do agree for the most part that taking
>> responsibility is the thing to do. I'm not necessarily advocating scofflaw
>> tactics. But it just feels like no matter what I do everything goes wrong. I
>> call the courthouse and nothing shows warrants-wise; just a couple of months
>> later, and TEN suspended license infractions are showing up? How?
>>
>> Thus, if I am unable to satisfy these infractions--and I guess maybe it's
>> from not being 100% current with payments but that was an impossibility
>> given my job situation--I could go to jail when I show up for the suspended
>> license court date. Frankly, I am considering just leaving this state and
>> not handling anything. OK I do realize again that's running and not facing
>> up--but frankly, esp with them going from no warrants to 10 infractions in
>> just a couple of months it feels like it's impossible to clear things up at
>> this point. At some point it just seem to get to be a thing that it's
>> impossible to clear it all up and so it's just better to move on and try
>> again elsewhere with a "fresh start."
>>
>> I guess one of my key questions is--surely they wouldn't arrest me 3,000
>> miles away on something like this and transport me back to AZ would
>> they--especially if several years were to go by?
>
>Probably not.

No, they're going to get you locally when you show up at the new location's DMV
office and lie your ass off about not having outstanding warrants or license
suspensions in another state, which you'll have to do in order to get the
license in the new location, 'cuz they always ask this question. You'll
eventually be found out, and then they'll come for you.

Your only really option is to take care of your problems in your present
location. _Then_ if you are simply unlucky with _these_ particular cops, move
somewhere else and start over.

Dave Head
>
>>
>> I had once lived in the southeastern US and my driver's license there was
>> fine. It just expired from age. Couldn't I just renew there and move on--and
>> just mail payments back here as I get a better job and more money to handle
>> it?
>
>Probably not. Most states share license information. The southeastern
>state will (or should) know about your AZ license suspension. They are
>not going to renew you until your AZ license is cleared up.
>
>>
>> You see, it's not just this license and impending court date issue that is
>> tempting me to move--it's frankly that employment here is terrible. I need a
>> fresh start in that way something awful--sticking around here just giving me
>> anything but more trouble.
>
>You need to stop driving. The more you drive on a suspended license,
>the more you get caught, and the deeper you dig your hole. Find a job
>that you can walk to. Pay off the fines as quickly as you are able to.
> When you finally get your license restored, consider your experience
>and be more conscientous.
>
>>
>> I know, I am inviting some flames, but I really need some advice. I really
>> am not so much trying to flee accountability so much as just start clean.
>
>Actually you are trying to flee accountability. Society is structured
>to prevent people from fleeing accountability so there is no good
>advice for you.
>
>> After all, it's a suspended license--it's not like I robbed a bank or
>> molested a child here.

On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 08:29:39 -0500, Shawn Hirn > wrote:

>In article <h1Bhf.9782$dv.3923@fed1read02>, "noone" >
>wrote:
>>
>> You see, it's not just this license and impending court date issue that is
>> tempting me to move--it's frankly that employment here is terrible. I need a
>> fresh start in that way something awful--sticking around here just giving me
>> anything but more trouble.
>
>With your driving history, YOU ARE A BAD DRIVER. You need to see an
>attorney about your situation, but most importantly, you need to start
>taking responsibility for yourself.

Maybe he's a bad driver and maybe he isn't - there are lots of laws that you
can run afoul of that are not dangerous to break, only illegal. We all know
that speeding is one of them. Going faster than the numbers on a sign is not
particularly dangerous in comparison to doing exactly the numbers on the sign.
Maybe he's just got 27 speeding tickets in the span of 3 years or so. Doesn't
make him a bad driver. What would make him a bad driver would be bent metal.
If he's simply breaking the law, but not bending metal, or coming close to
bending metal on a regular basis, he's not a bad driver, just an illegal
driver.

DPH

noone wrote:

> I live in AZ and have, largely through my own irresponsibility, racked up
> traffic fines in excess of $2000.

"Crying" is not going to change anything.
Life shows that many tickets did not teach you anything.
You are one of retarded idiots that should not be allowed behind a wheel, ever.
Any judge that has some brains should ban you from driving for life.
The question is nof "if" but when you will kill someone with your car.

Dave Head wrote:
> On 25 Nov 2005 18:46:03 -0800, "Furious George" > wrote:
>
> >
> >noone wrote:
> >> I live in Arizona. Yes I did post about this sometime back. I live in AZ and
> >> have, largely through my own irresponsibility, racked up traffic fines in
> >> excess of $2000. So driver's license is suspended.
> >>
> >> I'm not a bad driver, really--OK, everyone always says that, but really I
> >> don't do stupid things with regards to being dangerous. I just seem to
> >> attract the attention of police officers for some reason. OK that sounds
> >> lame, but that's all I can figure so far.
> >
> >If you have more than $2,000 worth of traffic fines, then you are a bad
> >driver.
> >
> >>
> >> Anyway, at this point I do have a Dec court date for a more recent driving
> >> on suspended license accusation. Regarding past infractions, I had setup a
> >> payment plan--which admitely I had not been 100% current on lately--and very
> >> recently had telephoned the courthouse and was told that NO outstanding
> >> warrants existed. But when pulled more recently, they said that 10--yes
> >> 10--infractions pulled up.
> >>
> >> How can that be?
> >>
> >> At this point it feels useless. Yes I do agree for the most part that taking
> >> responsibility is the thing to do. I'm not necessarily advocating scofflaw
> >> tactics. But it just feels like no matter what I do everything goes wrong. I
> >> call the courthouse and nothing shows warrants-wise; just a couple of months
> >> later, and TEN suspended license infractions are showing up? How?
> >>
> >> Thus, if I am unable to satisfy these infractions--and I guess maybe it's
> >> from not being 100% current with payments but that was an impossibility
> >> given my job situation--I could go to jail when I show up for the suspended
> >> license court date. Frankly, I am considering just leaving this state and
> >> not handling anything. OK I do realize again that's running and not facing
> >> up--but frankly, esp with them going from no warrants to 10 infractions in
> >> just a couple of months it feels like it's impossible to clear things up at
> >> this point. At some point it just seem to get to be a thing that it's
> >> impossible to clear it all up and so it's just better to move on and try
> >> again elsewhere with a "fresh start."
> >>
> >> I guess one of my key questions is--surely they wouldn't arrest me 3,000
> >> miles away on something like this and transport me back to AZ would
> >> they--especially if several years were to go by?
> >
> >Probably not.
>
> No, they're going to get you locally when you show up at the new location's DMV
> office and lie your ass off about not having outstanding warrants or license
> suspensions in another state, which you'll have to do in order to get the
> license in the new location, 'cuz they always ask this question. You'll
> eventually be found out, and then they'll come for you.

You really think they would extradite him 3,000 miles for traffic
tickets? Maybe you're right.

I don't think the OP need worry about it. I am sure that he'll be neck
deep in **** in his new location in no time.

>
> Your only really option is to take care of your problems in your present
> location. _Then_ if you are simply unlucky with _these_ particular cops, move
> somewhere else and start over.
>
> Dave Head
> >
> >>
> >> I had once lived in the southeastern US and my driver's license there was
> >> fine. It just expired from age. Couldn't I just renew there and move on--and
> >> just mail payments back here as I get a better job and more money to handle
> >> it?
> >
> >Probably not. Most states share license information. The southeastern
> >state will (or should) know about your AZ license suspension. They are
> >not going to renew you until your AZ license is cleared up.
> >
> >>
> >> You see, it's not just this license and impending court date issue that is
> >> tempting me to move--it's frankly that employment here is terrible. I need a
> >> fresh start in that way something awful--sticking around here just giving me
> >> anything but more trouble.
> >
> >You need to stop driving. The more you drive on a suspended license,
> >the more you get caught, and the deeper you dig your hole. Find a job
> >that you can walk to. Pay off the fines as quickly as you are able to.
> > When you finally get your license restored, consider your experience
> >and be more conscientous.
> >
> >>
> >> I know, I am inviting some flames, but I really need some advice. I really
> >> am not so much trying to flee accountability so much as just start clean.
> >
> >Actually you are trying to flee accountability. Society is structured
> >to prevent people from fleeing accountability so there is no good
> >advice for you.
> >
> >> After all, it's a suspended license--it's not like I robbed a bank or
> >> molested a child here.