Dumbest car commercial ever

Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
> 223rem wrote:
> > Anyone saw the ad pushing the Toyota Avalon
> > *solely* on the basis on the 'advanced technology'
> > of its rain-sensitive automatic wipers?
>
> One more useless gadget forced on the public at $300 a pop. The auto
> industry is one giant conspiracy.

I'm in the auto industry. Believe me, if we were a conspiracy, we
would have invented something to make you drive off a cliff a looong
time ago.

"James C. Reeves" > wrote in message
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>
> "Dan J.S." > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "223rem" > wrote in message
>> news:k%Kef.336591$084.44805@attbi_s22...
>>> Dan J.S. wrote:
>>>
>>>> plus, i think that automatic wiper tech is nice and is a great safety
>>>> addition..
>>>
>>> A great safety addition? Hm... You probably consider dusk
>>> sensing headlights to also be a 'great' safety feature.
>>>
>>> IMO, they far from being great features.
>
> I agree!
>
>>
>> Dusk sensors are cool too! I use it all the time. Which way should we go
>> with technology? forward or backwards?
>
> And I bet you drive around in the fog with your lights out. ALC systems
> don't work reliably under many situatiosns when lights are required (which
> isn;t just "dusk" or "dark". They never have.
>
> Anything that replaces the drivers neeed to pay attention and further
> trains them to not control the functions of the vehicle is going
> backwards, not forwards.
>
>> I believe in 20 years, cars will drive you wherever you want to go. Dusk
>> sensors, automatic windshield wipers (so you can enjoy the view), and
>> other technologies will be part of it. Car companies are spending a lot
>> of money on these advances, so why not allow them to capitalize on some
>> of them early.
>
> I'm going to puke. Shoot, I just did, all over my keyboard! Quick! We'd
> better change the name of this NG to "alt.autos.riding" immediately!
>
> I case you haven't noticed, this is a group for *drivers*, not *riders*.
>

This is why the horse and carriage newsgroup doesn't exist any more. BTW - I
have been driving for 20 years now, and not a single accident. And I always
buy the latest tech stuff in my car.

Can you even buy a car without ABS, traction control and all the other
stuff? Not if you are buying a BMW or some other 'drivers' car.

Dan J.S. wrote:
> "223rem" > wrote in message
> news:k%Kef.336591$084.44805@attbi_s22...
>
>>Dan J.S. wrote:
>>
>>
>>>plus, i think that automatic wiper tech is nice and is a great safety
>>>addition..
>>
>>A great safety addition? Hm... You probably consider dusk
>>sensing headlights to also be a 'great' safety feature.
>>
>>IMO, they far from being great features.
>
>
> Dusk sensors are cool too! I use it all the time. Which way should we go
> with technology? forward or backwards?

Dusk sensors fool you into thinking that you should not worry about
your lights.

I suspect that you're a fan of DRLs too.


> I believe in 20 years, cars will drive you wherever you want to go. Dusk
> sensors, automatic windshield wipers (so you can enjoy the view),

Automatic windshield wipers are yet another dumb gadget. The amount
of convenience they provide is nil. And I bet they sometimes come on when you dont
need them and fail to come on when you need them.

> I also have a NAV system in my car that works great! in both the 4runner and
> the Sienna.. OEM ones...

NAV systems are cool, but how often do you really need it? Most of the time
you drive in familiar teritory.

Dan J.S. wrote:
> "James C. Reeves" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Dan J.S." > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >> "223rem" > wrote in message
> >> news:k%Kef.336591$084.44805@attbi_s22...
> >>> Dan J.S. wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> plus, i think that automatic wiper tech is nice and is a great safety
> >>>> addition..
> >>>
> >>> A great safety addition? Hm... You probably consider dusk
> >>> sensing headlights to also be a 'great' safety feature.
> >>>
> >>> IMO, they far from being great features.
> >
> > I agree!
> >
> >>
> >> Dusk sensors are cool too! I use it all the time. Which way should we go
> >> with technology? forward or backwards?
> >
> > And I bet you drive around in the fog with your lights out. ALC systems
> > don't work reliably under many situatiosns when lights are required (which
> > isn;t just "dusk" or "dark". They never have.
> >
> > Anything that replaces the drivers neeed to pay attention and further
> > trains them to not control the functions of the vehicle is going
> > backwards, not forwards.
> >
> >> I believe in 20 years, cars will drive you wherever you want to go. Dusk
> >> sensors, automatic windshield wipers (so you can enjoy the view), and
> >> other technologies will be part of it. Car companies are spending a lot
> >> of money on these advances, so why not allow them to capitalize on some
> >> of them early.
> >
> > I'm going to puke. Shoot, I just did, all over my keyboard! Quick! We'd
> > better change the name of this NG to "alt.autos.riding" immediately!
> >
> > I case you haven't noticed, this is a group for *drivers*, not *riders*.
> >
>
> This is why the horse and carriage newsgroup doesn't exist any more. BTW - I
> have been driving for 20 years now, and not a single accident. And I always
> buy the latest tech stuff in my car.
>
> Can you even buy a car without ABS, traction control and all the other
> stuff? Not if you are buying a BMW or some other 'drivers' car.

A car with all that crap is not a driver's car, it's a passenger's car.
which is why more and more people like me look at the vehicle parked
in front of the house (in my case, and '88 944) and think "there's
really nothing on the market that I'd like better..."

nate

"N8N" > wrote in message
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> Dan J.S. wrote:
>> "James C. Reeves" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "Dan J.S." > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >>
>> >> "223rem" > wrote in message
>> >> news:k%Kef.336591$084.44805@attbi_s22...
>> >>> Dan J.S. wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> plus, i think that automatic wiper tech is nice and is a great
>> >>>> safety
>> >>>> addition..
>> >>>
>> >>> A great safety addition? Hm... You probably consider dusk
>> >>> sensing headlights to also be a 'great' safety feature.
>> >>>
>> >>> IMO, they far from being great features.
>> >
>> > I agree!
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Dusk sensors are cool too! I use it all the time. Which way should we
>> >> go
>> >> with technology? forward or backwards?
>> >
>> > And I bet you drive around in the fog with your lights out. ALC
>> > systems
>> > don't work reliably under many situatiosns when lights are required
>> > (which
>> > isn;t just "dusk" or "dark". They never have.
>> >
>> > Anything that replaces the drivers neeed to pay attention and further
>> > trains them to not control the functions of the vehicle is going
>> > backwards, not forwards.
>> >
>> >> I believe in 20 years, cars will drive you wherever you want to go.
>> >> Dusk
>> >> sensors, automatic windshield wipers (so you can enjoy the view), and
>> >> other technologies will be part of it. Car companies are spending a
>> >> lot
>> >> of money on these advances, so why not allow them to capitalize on
>> >> some
>> >> of them early.
>> >
>> > I'm going to puke. Shoot, I just did, all over my keyboard! Quick!
>> > We'd
>> > better change the name of this NG to "alt.autos.riding" immediately!
>> >
>> > I case you haven't noticed, this is a group for *drivers*, not
>> > *riders*.
>> >
>>
>> This is why the horse and carriage newsgroup doesn't exist any more.
>> BTW - I
>> have been driving for 20 years now, and not a single accident. And I
>> always
>> buy the latest tech stuff in my car.
>>
>> Can you even buy a car without ABS, traction control and all the other
>> stuff? Not if you are buying a BMW or some other 'drivers' car.
>
> A car with all that crap is not a driver's car, it's a passenger's car.
> which is why more and more people like me look at the vehicle parked
> in front of the house (in my case, and '88 944) and think "there's
> really nothing on the market that I'd like better..."
>
> nate
>

Fine, I agree. However, show me a 2005 car that is a 'drivers car'?

My point, is that you won't find one unless you custom build one.


BTW - to add insult to injury, I have laser cruise control too!!! ohh damn!
and a rear view camera!!

Dan J.S. wrote:
> "N8N" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > Dan J.S. wrote:
> >> "James C. Reeves" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> > "Dan J.S." > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> >>
> >> >> "223rem" > wrote in message
> >> >> news:k%Kef.336591$084.44805@attbi_s22...
> >> >>> Dan J.S. wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> plus, i think that automatic wiper tech is nice and is a great
> >> >>>> safety
> >> >>>> addition..
> >> >>>
> >> >>> A great safety addition? Hm... You probably consider dusk
> >> >>> sensing headlights to also be a 'great' safety feature.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> IMO, they far from being great features.
> >> >
> >> > I agree!
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Dusk sensors are cool too! I use it all the time. Which way should we
> >> >> go
> >> >> with technology? forward or backwards?
> >> >
> >> > And I bet you drive around in the fog with your lights out. ALC
> >> > systems
> >> > don't work reliably under many situatiosns when lights are required
> >> > (which
> >> > isn;t just "dusk" or "dark". They never have.
> >> >
> >> > Anything that replaces the drivers neeed to pay attention and further
> >> > trains them to not control the functions of the vehicle is going
> >> > backwards, not forwards.
> >> >
> >> >> I believe in 20 years, cars will drive you wherever you want to go.
> >> >> Dusk
> >> >> sensors, automatic windshield wipers (so you can enjoy the view), and
> >> >> other technologies will be part of it. Car companies are spending a
> >> >> lot
> >> >> of money on these advances, so why not allow them to capitalize on
> >> >> some
> >> >> of them early.
> >> >
> >> > I'm going to puke. Shoot, I just did, all over my keyboard! Quick!
> >> > We'd
> >> > better change the name of this NG to "alt.autos.riding" immediately!
> >> >
> >> > I case you haven't noticed, this is a group for *drivers*, not
> >> > *riders*.
> >> >
> >>
> >> This is why the horse and carriage newsgroup doesn't exist any more.
> >> BTW - I
> >> have been driving for 20 years now, and not a single accident. And I
> >> always
> >> buy the latest tech stuff in my car.
> >>
> >> Can you even buy a car without ABS, traction control and all the other
> >> stuff? Not if you are buying a BMW or some other 'drivers' car.
> >
> > A car with all that crap is not a driver's car, it's a passenger's car.
> > which is why more and more people like me look at the vehicle parked
> > in front of the house (in my case, and '88 944) and think "there's
> > really nothing on the market that I'd like better..."
> >
> > nate
> >
>
> Fine, I agree. However, show me a 2005 car that is a 'drivers car'?
>
> My point, is that you won't find one unless you custom build one.

Agreed! The automotive market SUCKS right now! Other than a few
vehicles, most of which you can't buy in the US, there is absolutely
zilch of interest. Sure, there's some decent sedans and such, but if
you are looking for a car purely in terms of driving enjoyment, or
worse yet, a dual purpose road/race car, you are SOL.

>
>
> BTW - to add insult to injury, I have laser cruise control too!!! ohh damn!
> and a rear view camera!!

no comment...

nate

N8N wrote:

> Agreed! The automotive market SUCKS right now! Other than a few
> vehicles, most of which you can't buy in the US, there is absolutely
> zilch of interest. Sure, there's some decent sedans and such, but if
> you are looking for a car purely in terms of driving enjoyment, or
> worse yet, a dual purpose road/race car, you are SOL.

Sure there is, and its not even expensive: Mazda Miata

223rem wrote:

> Anyone saw the ad pushing the Toyota Avalon
> *solely* on the basis on the 'advanced technology'
> of its rain-sensitive automatic wipers?
>
> Un****ing unbelievably stupid. Who the hell
> chooses a car on the strength of its windshield
> wiper system?!
>
> Why not talk instead about the very strong V6 the top
> of the line Avalon has? Crazy.

That's how you sell a car to non-technically minded people.
I'm reminded of an episode of "That 70s Show", series 2,
where Red is working in a store, trying to sell some blenders.
He goes all day explaining how many RPM each blender goes
and how sharp its blades are etc. and makes no sales. Then
he gets some advice from the manager, and makes his next
sale by simply saying to the woman "They all blend your
food just as well -- now you only have to decide: do you
want black, or white?", or something similar.

When chumps go to a car yard and are choosing between
many different makes of car in the same class, the thing
that makes them prefer one or the other is usually something
"small" like the colour, or if it has fold-down rear seats, or
a roof rack, or a drinks holder, or automatic wipers in this case.

N8N wrote:
>> ...
>>> I also have a NAV system in my car that works great! in both the 4runner
>>> and the Sienna.. OEM ones...
>
> IMHO there is a time and place for them, but the problem is that while
> they can make good drivers safer (by giving them advance warning of
> turnoffs etc. in unfamiliar areas) they can also make poor drivers even
> more unsafe (by giving those without the sense to know when they can
> mess with gadgets and when they need to be 100% concentrating on the
> road yet another distracting toy to play with.)

Great example of this: a couple of tourists take their little rental
FWD car up a steep mountain offroad 4WD dirt track, because
the GPS told them to.
This despite the road having large, prominent "ROAD CLOSED"
signs, river fords, and locked gates.

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/425829/622305

(video included)

Old Wolf wrote:
> N8N wrote:
> >> ...
> >>> I also have a NAV system in my car that works great! in both the 4runner
> >>> and the Sienna.. OEM ones...
> >
> > IMHO there is a time and place for them, but the problem is that while
> > they can make good drivers safer (by giving them advance warning of
> > turnoffs etc. in unfamiliar areas) they can also make poor drivers even
> > more unsafe (by giving those without the sense to know when they can
> > mess with gadgets and when they need to be 100% concentrating on the
> > road yet another distracting toy to play with.)
>
> Great example of this: a couple of tourists take their little rental
> FWD car up a steep mountain offroad 4WD dirt track, because
> the GPS told them to.
> This despite the road having large, prominent "ROAD CLOSED"
> signs, river fords, and locked gates.
>
> http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/425829/622305
>
> (video included)

Wow, a pair of morons who are apparently are stupid enough they
shouldn't be driving in the first place.

Dave