Tire Stores and lug nut torque settings

Dunce!

http://www.team.net/sol/tech/torque.html

The object is to stretch the bolt a predetermined amount so that it is
in tension. Stretching it beyond some safe % of it's yield strength is a
serious no no. Lubrication decreases the friction in the threads,
increases the torque going into stretching the bolt.



Fawn Liebowitz wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
>> Just 'where' are you going to find the new 'wet torque' specs for your
>> lug nuts? It 'sure' isn't the dry torque setting of 95 ft lb, it has to
>> be way less. Some charts say 60% or less depending on the grade of the
>> stud.
>
> Torque is torque, wet or dry. I've heard arguments both ways, and I
> think the fanatical dry-torque crowd is full of horsehockey. Same goes
> for the dry-torque spark plug crowd. Lube those suckers up!
>
> Animal House was a stitch! I love good comedy almost as much as the
> silly responses that newsgroups tend to attract.
>
> Cheers!

uhm, does it really matter that much? (as long as they all have the
same torque?) I mean, we put 33"-s on them , re-gear pinions, put more
engine torque on them while bouncing on the rocks. I know there are
specs, but....

csdude wrote:
> uhm, does it really matter that much? (as long as they all have the
> same torque?) I mean, we put 33"-s on them , re-gear pinions, put more
> engine torque on them while bouncing on the rocks. I know there are
> specs, but....

As long as they are the same torque and you do not exceed the spec
for your lugs. If you exceed the lug spec they will neck down and
eventually crack. The last thing you want to happen when wheeling
is to have a wheel come off. Some vehicles are very picky and even
more so with mag rims.

--
DougW

Mike Romain wrote:

> You seem to fit right in there 'Fawn', but telling folks to do dangerous
> stuff in a public forum is a no no, whether you think it is a joke or not...

Oil those lug nuts up good, folks. We have to give Mike something to
spend endless sleepless nights over! LOL! Are all Jeep fanatics as
anal as this guy? I know a few here in AZ that fit the bill. Most are
quite insane, of course.

Moving right along...

csdude wrote:
> uhm, does it really matter that much? (as long as they all have the
> same torque?) I mean, we put 33"-s on them , re-gear pinions, put more
> engine torque on them while bouncing on the rocks. I know there are
> specs, but....

Nope, it don't, except for those folks with a slide-rule inside their
pocket protector. I've been wheeling 50+ years and have never, ever
seen a broken lug that resulted from putting a drop of oil on a wheel
stud. I *have* seen rusted lugs that broke that sucker off when you try
to remove it, without ever having the benefit of that drop of lube
during assembly. Case closed.

On Feb 25, 9:03*pm, Fawn Liebowitz > wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > You seem to fit right in there 'Fawn', but telling folks to do dangerous
> > stuff in a public forum is a no no, whether you think it is a joke or not...
>
> Oil those lug nuts up good, folks. *We have to give Mike something to
> spend endless sleepless nights over! *LOL! *Are all Jeep fanatics as
> anal as this guy? *I know a few here in AZ that fit the bill. *Most are
> quite insane, of course.
>
> Moving right along...


hey!! Mike has been here for a good while, he knows what he's
talking about

On Feb 25, 9:05*pm, Fawn Liebowitz > wrote:
> csdude wrote:
> > uhm, does it really matter that much? (as long as they all have the
> > same torque?) I mean, we put 33"-s on them , re-gear pinions, put more
> > engine torque on them while bouncing on the rocks. I know there are
> > specs, but....
>
> Nope, it don't, except for those folks with a slide-rule inside their
> pocket protector. *I've been wheeling 50+ years and have never, ever
> seen a broken lug that resulted from putting a drop of oil on a wheel
> stud. *I *have* seen rusted lugs that broke that sucker off when you try
> to remove it, without ever having the benefit of that drop of lube
> during assembly. *Case closed.

right, sometimes I torque then at 95 ft-lbs sometimes at 110 or so.
it's the difference in torque between lug nuts that warps rotors (I
was told)

Fawn Liebowitz wrote:

> Mike Romain wrote:
>
>> You seem to fit right in there 'Fawn', but telling folks to do dangerous
>> stuff in a public forum is a no no, whether you think it is a joke or
>> not...
>
> Oil those lug nuts up good, folks. We have to give Mike something to
> spend endless sleepless nights over! LOL! Are all Jeep fanatics as
> anal as this guy? I know a few here in AZ that fit the bill. Most are
> quite insane, of course.
>
> Moving right along...

Fawn, you need to check ASM specs before you spread this crap. Ask a
certified mechanic to lube those studs and see what response you get - they
really got burned way back when mag wheels rolled out and they didn't
believe that a torque wrench was necessary. Now, they pay attention
instead of irate customers....
--
Will Honea

csdude wrote:

> uhm, does it really matter that much? (as long as they all have the
> same torque?) I mean, we put 33"-s on them , re-gear pinions, put more
> engine torque on them while bouncing on the rocks. I know there are
> specs, but....

Well, having drilled out a few busted head bolts after not bothering to
clean and dry the threads I'd have to say, yes it does. Now, head bolt
torques generally run closer to the failure strength that lug nut torques
but the same metallurgy is involved. Oh, and have you ever tried to bust
one of those over-torqued !@#$% loose after a year or so when there was no
air wrench handy????

--
Will Honea

csdude wrote:

> right, sometimes I torque then at 95 ft-lbs sometimes at 110 or so.
> it's the difference in torque between lug nuts that warps rotors (I
> was told)


Think the difference between 95 and 60 or less. That means when you put
95 on wet, you 'really' are putting more like 140 or more on them. This
stretches them and can damage rims. I have seen more than one rim with
worn out holes from overtorquing like this also.

I mean just go look it up for your own education so you know the 'real'
answer before you start snapping waterpump and head bolts.

Unless you think a poster with a fake name from Animal house, the movie,
is telling you the gospel truth. Folks like that are called trolls,
they spout total bull**** to see what kind of a reaction they can get.
Welcome to Usenet...

Mike