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NASTY Lil' Cobra Being Twin Screwed
Joe wrote:
> Michael Johnson > wrote in > : > >> wrote: >>> On Oct 21, 11:26 am, Michael Johnson > wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A >>>>>>>> 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. >>>>>>> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell >>>>>>> like crazy! >>>>>> That's like putting mustard on ice cream. >>>>> I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the somewhat >>>>> brand loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or most likely >>>>> displaced, secretary with several kids and friends, football >>>>> practices and games, and the odd weekend project, I think it would >>>>> do quite well. >>>> I have a feeling that the number of new buyers they get from a four >>>> door Mustang would be offset by the number of Mustang enthusiasts >>>> they would lose. IMO, some things just aren't meant to be, like a >>>> four door Mustang. >>> Mike, >>> >>> I don't know why you would assume a 4-door Mustang or a Mustang wagon >>> would drive buyers of the 2-door variety away. I don't think it >>> would. >>> >>> Or am I crazy to think buyers can easily be fooled with some >>> different trim and a name change -- i.e Firebird/Camaro and >>> Cougar/Mustang, >>> >>> Patrick >>> (Love to have a Mustang mini-wagon/some thing like the old BMW M- >>> coupe.) >> I'm all for Ford putting out a performance wagon. Just don't >> *******ize the Mustang to do it. It would only take away from the >> Mustang's heritage, IMO. > > I think the Mustang would survive with its heritage intact. Even after > the Mustang II era, it's going as strong as ever. I wouldn't risk it if I were Ford. Bone head moves have a way of getting blown out of proportion and I would consider a four door Mustang a bone head move. Do you like the idea of a four door Camaro, Corvette, Miata, Porsche, etc.? I can't believe you would. Would you? <waiting nervously for an answer> |
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NASTY Lil' Cobra Being Twin Screwed
On Oct 22, 8:14 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
> wrote: > > On Oct 21, 11:26 am, Michael Johnson > wrote: > > >>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A 32 > >>>>>> valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. > > >>>>> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell like crazy! > > >>>> That's like putting mustard on ice cream. > > >>> I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the somewhat brand > >>> loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or most likely displaced, > >>> secretary with several kids and friends, football practices and games, and > >>> the odd weekend project, I think it would do quite well. > > >> I have a feeling that the number of new buyers they get from a four door > >> Mustang would be offset by the number of Mustang enthusiasts they would > >> lose. IMO, some things just aren't meant to be, like a four door > >> Mustang. > > > Mike, > > > I don't know why you would assume a 4-door Mustang or a Mustang wagon > > would drive buyers of the 2-door variety away. I don't think it > > would. > > > Or am I crazy to think buyers can easily be fooled with some different > > trim and a name change -- i.e Firebird/Camaro and Cougar/Mustang, > > > Patrick > > (Love to have a Mustang mini-wagon/some thing like the old BMW M- > > coupe.) > I'm all for Ford putting out a performance wagon. Just don't *******ize > the Mustang to do it. It would only take away from the Mustang's > heritage, IMO. So, simply stretch out a Mustang platform and body, change out the grill/some trim, slap on a Falcon name and it's golden? Patrick |
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On Oct 22, 8:40 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
> > I also think the 2-door model was an excellent idea but just had poor > > execution. 2-seaters are supposed to be sporty and Ford's last > > generation T-bird, at nearly 4,000 scale-busting pounds, didn't have a > > chance. But if they could have gotten that Thunder [thighs] Bird down > > to around 3,200, given it a slightly more aggressive stance/look, > > installed some real thunder under the hood and given it a competitive > > price, I think Ford would have found a nice sales niche. > > The reason I think it was a bad idea is they greatly narrowed the car's > target market. Ford took the original car from a two seater to a four > seater with great success. Had they not done that it would likely have > been discontinued. Why they thought going back to two seats would mean > more sales is beyond me. So Ford should forever concede the American 2-seat market to the Corvette? <Cough>Viper<cough> > IMO, the only thing wrong with the last generation four seat T-Bird was > its weight. Had they trimmed 300-400 pounds out of the car it would > have been a terrific performer. As I said earlier, that car had RWD, > IRS, a solid performing V-8, good styling, nice interior, relatively > good performance etc. Ford needs a car with those traits in the worst way. I agree. And I would like to think so. The problem is they ALWAYS load these "personal coupes" down with tons of options and BS and they ALWAYS become bloated behemoths. Then any chance of them to be sporting is lost. Why they can't take a lightweight platform, add a trimmed-down stylish body, keep the interior mostly manually operated but very functional, give the steering nice feel, bolt on a set of killer brakes, and fit a potent motor between the frame rails is beyond me. Patrick |
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> wrote in message oups.com... > On Oct 22, 8:40 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote: > >> > I also think the 2-door model was an excellent idea but just had poor >> > execution. 2-seaters are supposed to be sporty and Ford's last >> > generation T-bird, at nearly 4,000 scale-busting pounds, didn't have a >> > chance. But if they could have gotten that Thunder [thighs] Bird down >> > to around 3,200, given it a slightly more aggressive stance/look, >> > installed some real thunder under the hood and given it a competitive >> > price, I think Ford would have found a nice sales niche. >> >> The reason I think it was a bad idea is they greatly narrowed the car's >> target market. Ford took the original car from a two seater to a four >> seater with great success. Had they not done that it would likely have >> been discontinued. Why they thought going back to two seats would mean >> more sales is beyond me. > > So Ford should forever concede the American 2-seat market to the > Corvette? That is an entirely different topic and market than the Thunderbird ever was... Besides the latest 2 seat T-bird was not in the same room let alone group as the Corvette and Viper. <Cough>Ford GT<cough> > > <Cough>Viper<cough> > >> IMO, the only thing wrong with the last generation four seat T-Bird was >> its weight. Had they trimmed 300-400 pounds out of the car it would >> have been a terrific performer. As I said earlier, that car had RWD, >> IRS, a solid performing V-8, good styling, nice interior, relatively >> good performance etc. Ford needs a car with those traits in the worst >> way. > > I agree. And I would like to think so. The problem is they ALWAYS > load these "personal coupes" down with tons of options and BS and they > ALWAYS become bloated behemoths. Then any chance of them to be > sporting is lost. Why they can't take a lightweight platform, add a > trimmed-down stylish body, keep the interior mostly manually operated > but very functional, give the steering nice feel, bolt on a set of > killer brakes, and fit a potent motor between the frame rails is > beyond me. > > Patrick > |
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"My Name Is Nobody" > wrote in
news:NrqTi.11763$na2.7081@trndny08: > > "Joe" > wrote in message > ... >> Michael Johnson > wrote in >> : >> >>> wrote: >>>> On Oct 21, 11:26 am, Michael Johnson > wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, >>>>>>>>> N/A 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. >>>> >>>>>>>> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell >>>>>>>> like crazy! >>>> >>>>>>> That's like putting mustard on ice cream. >>>> >>>>>> I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the >>>>>> somewhat brand loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or >>>>>> most likely displaced, secretary with several kids and friends, >>>>>> football practices and games, and the odd weekend project, I >>>>>> think it would do quite well. >>>> >>>>> I have a feeling that the number of new buyers they get from a >>>>> four door Mustang would be offset by the number of Mustang >>>>> enthusiasts they would lose. IMO, some things just aren't meant >>>>> to be, like a four door Mustang. >>>> >>>> Mike, >>>> >>>> I don't know why you would assume a 4-door Mustang or a Mustang >>>> wagon would drive buyers of the 2-door variety away. I don't think >>>> it would. >>>> >>>> Or am I crazy to think buyers can easily be fooled with some >>>> different trim and a name change -- i.e Firebird/Camaro and >>>> Cougar/Mustang, >>>> >>>> Patrick >>>> (Love to have a Mustang mini-wagon/some thing like the old BMW M- >>>> coupe.) >>> >>> I'm all for Ford putting out a performance wagon. Just don't >>> *******ize the Mustang to do it. It would only take away from the >>> Mustang's heritage, IMO. >> >> I think the Mustang would survive with its heritage intact. Even >> after the Mustang II era, it's going as strong as ever. > > The Mustang II era was Nothing compared to *******izing the entire car > by making it a 4 door, or worse a wagon. (think the gay Nazi's > driving the '74 pinto wagon in the Blues Brothers here > http://www.imcdb.org/images/019/429.jpg) The Mustang II remained a 2 > door PONY car. The Mustang II started life on a Pinto chassis and morphed into its own unique self after much factory rework. > They did what you are suggesting under another name > plate, then as they should now. 1) I didn't make the suggestion. 2) The Mustang II was a far worse mortal sin to Mustang heritage than any Mustang 4-door or wagon. > Would you also lobby for a 4 door > station wagon corvette? I'm not lobbying for anything except performance vehicles. 4 doors, wagon, hatch, convertible, you name it. If it performs, then I'm for it. > How about the Ford GT super car with 4 doors, > cause we are all getting older ya know... That's retarded, and so is > destroying the Mustang, it is, was and always has been a two door PONY > CAR. If you want to label the Mustang II as a pony car, then go for it. But that's even more retarded than your other examples. > Doesn't it strike you a little odd that you think someone would buy > and drive a re-badged Volvo station wagon with a pony in the grill and > C-scoops in the quarters because they "really" wanted to be driving a > 2-door pony car, a Mustang??? Actually, no. But I never had that thought. > Come On Now, just because you are getting older doesn't mean you gotta > ruin it for everyone else. So who's holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy this vehicle that doesn't even exist? |
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NASTY Lil' Cobra Being Twin Screwed
Michael Johnson > wrote in
: > Joe wrote: >> Michael Johnson > wrote in >> : >> >>> wrote: >>>> On Oct 21, 11:26 am, Michael Johnson > wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A >>>>>>>>> 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k. >>>>>>>> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell >>>>>>>> like crazy! >>>>>>> That's like putting mustard on ice cream. >>>>>> I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the somewhat >>>>>> brand loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or most likely >>>>>> displaced, secretary with several kids and friends, football >>>>>> practices and games, and the odd weekend project, I think it would >>>>>> do quite well. >>>>> I have a feeling that the number of new buyers they get from a four >>>>> door Mustang would be offset by the number of Mustang enthusiasts >>>>> they would lose. IMO, some things just aren't meant to be, like a >>>>> four door Mustang. >>>> Mike, >>>> >>>> I don't know why you would assume a 4-door Mustang or a Mustang wagon >>>> would drive buyers of the 2-door variety away. I don't think it >>>> would. >>>> >>>> Or am I crazy to think buyers can easily be fooled with some >>>> different trim and a name change -- i.e Firebird/Camaro and >>>> Cougar/Mustang, >>>> >>>> Patrick >>>> (Love to have a Mustang mini-wagon/some thing like the old BMW M- >>>> coupe.) >>> I'm all for Ford putting out a performance wagon. Just don't >>> *******ize the Mustang to do it. It would only take away from the >>> Mustang's heritage, IMO. >> >> I think the Mustang would survive with its heritage intact. Even after >> the Mustang II era, it's going as strong as ever. > > I wouldn't risk it if I were Ford. Bone head moves have a way of > getting blown out of proportion and I would consider a four door Mustang > a bone head move. Michael, I basically agree with you. But I can definitely see a slot for a Ford 4-door vehicle to go head to head with the Charger, Magnum, 300, and the up-and-coming G8. If you don't want to call it a Mustang, that's great. Call it something else. I really don't care what it's called. > Do you like the idea of a four door Camaro, Corvette, I haven't seen a contemporary 2-door Camaro yet, so I'll reserve judgement on that. The CTS-V is a 4-door Corvette, whether you like it or not. > Miata, Porsche, etc.? I can't believe you would. Would you? <waiting > nervously for an answer> The Cayenne is arguably a 4-door performance Porsche. Let's also take a look at MB, BMW, Audi, Acura, etc. They all have 4-door performance vehicles that will kick major ass. As for the Miata, well, that's a weenie car with RWD. Stuff a 350hp V8 in it and that's another story... |
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