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  #21  
Old September 5th 05, 04:32 PM
John DiFool
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On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 16:56:33 +0200, "Stephen F."
> wrote:

>
>"ymenard" > wrote in message
. ..
>> >"David G Fisher" > wrote
>>> The multiplayer is now superb. Just ran the F3 mod and it was smooth as
>>> silk. Every race I've been so far (and I'm just jumping in servers) has
>>> been excellent. Contact can made without being knocked into hyperspace
>>> too.

>>
>>
>> That's great and all... but its still fantasy cars and tracks. I also
>> have no interest in that.
>>
>>
>> The community will make or kill this sim. How long will you be driving
>> those few tracks and cars befor getting bored? Quick.
>>

>
>I actually prefer a well-designed fantasy track to some of the crap which is
>being passed off as F1 tracks over the last decade. I'm not saying all the
>fantasy tracks are great, but there are features in the LFS S2 tracks, for
>example, which are really enjoyable. Blind braking points over crests,
>blind apexes, diminishing radii. All the nasty stuff which modern F1 has
>denied us of.
>
>


Amen. A good fantasy track is often superior to a dull "real"
track. That said:

I'm not sure why a lot of "fantasy" tracks are actually rather boring
too-here you have total freedom to make something to really blow
everyone's socks off, and you make-what? A 2.2 mile road course
with virtually no elevation changes and simple constant radius turns
(no "compromise" corners either). In NR2003 I've seen far too many
of these. For some reason the racing community often comes
across as really conservative in some ways, and this is one of
them.

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  #22  
Old September 5th 05, 06:44 PM
ymenard
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>"Stephen F." > wrote
> I actually prefer a well-designed fantasy track to some of the crap which
> is being passed off as F1 tracks over the last decade.



That's true, I would prefer quality over quantity. Bull Run is the perfect
example of a great fantasy track. It should get ported to rFactor, its
probably the fantasy track people here have raced the most, its been passed
on from N2 to the NROS to N3, GPL N4, NR2002, NR2003 and all the various
mods.


> I'm not saying all the fantasy tracks are great, but there are features in
> the LFS S2 tracks, for example, which are really enjoyable. Blind braking
> points over crests, blind apexes, diminishing radii. All the nasty stuff
> which modern F1 has denied us of.



You can't deny the factor of having the chance to drive around a track that
you would never in real life, tracks where you watched your heroes race on
them. That's the major attraction of real-life tracks, and a big point over
fantasy ones. Same for cars.




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  #23  
Old September 5th 05, 07:12 PM
David G Fisher
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"ymenard" > wrote in message
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> >"Byron Forbes" > wrote
>> "ymenard" > wrote
>>> That's great and all... but its still fantasy cars and tracks. I also
>>> have no interest in that.
>>>
>>> The community will make or kill this sim. How long will you be driving
>>> those few tracks and cars befor getting bored? Quick.
>>>

>> You can surely see that actual tracks and series will be coming out of
>> our arses in no time.

>
>
> Nobody knows that. There's a few determinated groups, but will they
> really do much? Will they move on to something else in 6 months? I say
> wait and see how it develops, how the game is supported officially
> especially. A patch will be needed, but will they do more than that?
> Will they build community tools?


Please put down the Papy flag for five minutes.
>
>
>> 4 days in and we have 1 mod and 1 track - what did we have for GPL (or
>> anything else for that matter) after 4 days?

>
>
> We were having too much of a blast racing, you know, on *real* tracks with
> *real* cars. Its not even comparable. The fact that you are comparing
> rFactor to a sim release SEVEN years ago speaks for itself.


He compared it to all sims.

A lot of people weren't running GPL. It ran poorly unless you had the very
latest computer setup.

The grip on the cars was way off. A few of us realized that from minute one.
Others had to wait until they were told by Kaemmer five years later before
they could figure it out.

There were fantasy cars and fantasy drivers in GPL.


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Old September 5th 05, 07:16 PM
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David G Fisher wrote:

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> The grip on the cars was way off. A few of us realized that from minute one.
> Others had to wait until they were told by Kaemmer five years later before
> they could figure it out.



Where is this statement from Kaemmer?
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Old September 5th 05, 07:43 PM
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I'd be up for that too. I only raced a few times in RASCAR but really
enjoyed it.


Tony Rickard wrote:
> What do you think guys, the evolution of a whole new rascar...
>
> ...rasFactor
>
> A new sim and a whole new start.
>
> Imagine it now, Fisher & Simmons hand in hand dancing in meadows... er
> well maybe not but it could be some good fun and ras does seem to be
> buzzing again these last few days. Any takers (and any servers?)
>
> Cheers
> Tony


  #26  
Old September 5th 05, 07:46 PM
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"ymenard" > wrote in
:

> That's true, I would prefer quality over quantity. Bull Run is the
> perfect example of a great fantasy track. It should get ported to
> rFactor, its probably the fantasy track people here have raced the
> most, its been passed on from N2 to the NROS to N3, GPL N4, NR2002,
> NR2003 and all the various mods.



It is being ported for rF. In fact some have already tested it. IF the
multiplayer for rF works out and especially if the driver swap option
becomes enabled, then you can bet the Bullrun 1000 will be a non-papy event
for the first time in it's history.

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Old September 5th 05, 07:50 PM
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whooo > wrote in
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>> The grip on the cars was way off. A few of us realized that from
>> minute one. Others had to wait until they were told by Kaemmer five
>> years later before they could figure it out.

>
>
> Where is this statement from Kaemmer?
>


That probably is in refernce to a statement made in an interview after
one of the last versions was released.(N3 or N4 or N2k3, I cannot separate
them enough in the past to remember) To paraphrase from my foggy brain,
he said he still liked GPL but couldn't race it anymore because the tire
model was either so bad or non-existant. So he much preferred slogging
around with the Nascar tanks than dancing with GPL.

dave henrie
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Old September 5th 05, 08:36 PM
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>"Dave Henrie" > wrote
> It is being ported for rF. In fact some have already tested it. IF the
> multiplayer for rF works out and especially if the driver swap option
> becomes enabled, then you can bet the Bullrun 1000 will be a non-papy
> event
> for the first time in it's history.



There's easily 50 road courses in NR2003 that are worthly in quality, if
many of them get ported onto rFactor, it's the good way and most of the
people will say goodbye to Papy for good

For many of them there is no need to start from scratch and redo those
tracks.






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  #29  
Old September 5th 05, 08:39 PM
ymenard
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>"David G Fisher" > wrote
> Please put down the Papy flag for five minutes.



Nah its not that at all. Papy's dead, buried. I don't hate rFactor, au
contraire its good from all that I see but I'll wait and see if its
supported by both the community and the developpers. Or else it'll be just
another sim, like GTR that stays on harddrives for 6 months until another
one gets released. I hope that's not true, but we cannot say that for the
moment.


> A lot of people weren't running GPL. It ran poorly unless you had the very
> latest computer setup.


I had 30+ fps on a Pentium 166. You just had to take off some stuff, you
know.



> There were fantasy cars and fantasy drivers in GPL.


Fantasy drivers in GPL? Unless you consider "Player" as one





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  #30  
Old September 5th 05, 08:48 PM
Goy Larsen
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ymenard wrote:
>
> >"Byron Forbes" > wrote
> > "ymenard" > wrote
> >> That's great and all... but its still fantasy cars and tracks. I also
> >> have no interest in that.
> >>
> >> The community will make or kill this sim. How long will you be driving
> >> those few tracks and cars befor getting bored? Quick.
> >>

> > You can surely see that actual tracks and series will be coming out of
> > our arses in no time.

>
> Nobody knows that. There's a few determinated groups, but will they really
> do much? Will they move on to something else in 6 months? I say wait and
> see how it develops, how the game is supported officially especially. A
> patch will be needed, but will they do more than that? Will they build
> community tools?


Tools and patches are coming, not to mention a couple of future upgrades
of the sim itself, as in not fixing bugs but putting planned features in
there that wasn't targeted for the release version

And as for mod groups for ISI sims.....my guess is that they easily
outnumber the same for Papy sims and are no less determined, we're
currently co-operating with RSR for our NAGT mod and I have to say that
those guys have impressed me with the quality of their work so far


Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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