156 on the blink

"Catman" > wrote in message
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> Malcolm Osborne wrote:
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>>> 156 2.0TS - driving along, revs go up briefly, then engine dies. Turning
>>> ignition key causes starter motor to go `whirr', but no effect on
>>> engine. Doesn't sound like cambelt - that would be more dramatic?
>>>
>>> Any suggestions on root cause, before car is towed to agent? Was due to
>>> go there in near future for service, inc cambelt change.
>>
>> Unfortunately turns out to be the cambelt that went - usual small fortune
>> to fix!
>
> Well yes.
>
>>
>> The cambelt was last changed at 220 000Km (136700m), now its coming up
>> for 280 000Km (174 000m). Thats 60 000Km (37282m) service life. Its
>> supposed to be well within the recommended distance.
>
> 36000 miles or 3 years, whichever is sooner. So you were *just* over the
> mileage.

Didn't they revise that figure a few years ago - it used to be longer IIRC.

GT wrote:
> "Catman" > wrote in message
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>> Malcolm Osborne wrote:
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>>>> 156 2.0TS - driving along, revs go up briefly, then engine dies. Turning
>>>> ignition key causes starter motor to go `whirr', but no effect on
>>>> engine. Doesn't sound like cambelt - that would be more dramatic?
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions on root cause, before car is towed to agent? Was due to
>>>> go there in near future for service, inc cambelt change.
>>> Unfortunately turns out to be the cambelt that went - usual small fortune
>>> to fix!
>> Well yes.
>>
>>> The cambelt was last changed at 220 000Km (136700m), now its coming up
>>> for 280 000Km (174 000m). Thats 60 000Km (37282m) service life. Its
>>> supposed to be well within the recommended distance.
>> 36000 miles or 3 years, whichever is sooner. So you were *just* over the
>> mileage.
>
> Didn't they revise that figure a few years ago - it used to be longer IIRC.
>
>

That's what it was revised *to*.

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"Catman" > wrote in message
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> GT wrote:
>> "Catman" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Malcolm Osborne wrote:
>>>> "Malcolm Osborne" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> 156 2.0TS - driving along, revs go up briefly, then engine dies.
>>>>> Turning ignition key causes starter motor to go `whirr', but no effect
>>>>> on engine. Doesn't sound like cambelt - that would be more dramatic?
>>>>>
>>>>> Any suggestions on root cause, before car is towed to agent? Was due
>>>>> to go there in near future for service, inc cambelt change.
>>>> Unfortunately turns out to be the cambelt that went - usual small
>>>> fortune to fix!
>>> Well yes.
>>>
>>>> The cambelt was last changed at 220 000Km (136700m), now its coming up
>>>> for 280 000Km (174 000m). Thats 60 000Km (37282m) service life. Its
>>>> supposed to be well within the recommended distance.
>>> 36000 miles or 3 years, whichever is sooner. So you were *just* over the
>>> mileage.
>>
>> Didn't they revise that figure a few years ago - it used to be longer
>> IIRC.
>
> That's what it was revised *to*.

I know that - I just meant that in old money, they expected them to last
longer. I though the 36k limit was erring on side of caution and for one to
go around that figure is pretty unlucky!

Does driving style age them prematurely? Hard driving = hard wearing timing
belt, or does it not work like that with them?

GT > wrote:

> Does driving style age them prematurely? Hard driving = hard wearing timing
> belt, or does it not work like that with them?

More likely to break if the car has stood unused. Don't think hard
driving does any more damage than driving like a nun.
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SteveH

GT wrote:
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>> GT wrote:
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>>>> Malcolm Osborne wrote:
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>>>>> ...
>>>>>> 156 2.0TS - driving along, revs go up briefly, then engine dies.
>>>>>> Turning ignition key causes starter motor to go `whirr', but no effect
>>>>>> on engine. Doesn't sound like cambelt - that would be more dramatic?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any suggestions on root cause, before car is towed to agent? Was due
>>>>>> to go there in near future for service, inc cambelt change.
>>>>> Unfortunately turns out to be the cambelt that went - usual small
>>>>> fortune to fix!
>>>> Well yes.
>>>>
>>>>> The cambelt was last changed at 220 000Km (136700m), now its coming up
>>>>> for 280 000Km (174 000m). Thats 60 000Km (37282m) service life. Its
>>>>> supposed to be well within the recommended distance.
>>>> 36000 miles or 3 years, whichever is sooner. So you were *just* over the
>>>> mileage.
>>> Didn't they revise that figure a few years ago - it used to be longer
>>> IIRC.
>> That's what it was revised *to*.
>
> I know that - I just meant that in old money, they expected them to last
> longer. I though the 36k limit was erring on side of caution and for one to
> go around that figure is pretty unlucky!
>

Oh sorry! Mea culpa!

> Does driving style age them prematurely? Hard driving = hard wearing timing
> belt, or does it not work like that with them?


I'm with SteveH. It's a steel band, covered in rubber. You leave it in
the same position[1] for some time, the steel will kink, and the rubber
will harden.
As ene fule kno, a kink is where it *WILL* break.

[1] Renews mental note to *NOT* start either Sprint of Giulietta no
matter how tempted.


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The listed cambelt change interval on my 2005 1.9 JTD 156 SW is 70,000
miles. Just done the 2nd change at 132,000 miles though as there were
visual signs of wear.

Charlie

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> GT wrote:
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>>> GT wrote:
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>>>>> Malcolm Osborne wrote:
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>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> 156 2.0TS - driving along, revs go up briefly, then engine dies.
>>>>>>> Turning ignition key causes starter motor to go `whirr', but no
>>>>>>> effect on engine. Doesn't sound like cambelt - that would be more
>>>>>>> dramatic?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any suggestions on root cause, before car is towed to agent? Was due
>>>>>>> to go there in near future for service, inc cambelt change.
>>>>>> Unfortunately turns out to be the cambelt that went - usual small
>>>>>> fortune to fix!
>>>>> Well yes.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The cambelt was last changed at 220 000Km (136700m), now its coming
>>>>>> up for 280 000Km (174 000m). Thats 60 000Km (37282m) service life.
>>>>>> Its supposed to be well within the recommended distance.
>>>>> 36000 miles or 3 years, whichever is sooner. So you were *just* over
>>>>> the mileage.
>>>> Didn't they revise that figure a few years ago - it used to be longer
>>>> IIRC.
>>> That's what it was revised *to*.
>>
>> I know that - I just meant that in old money, they expected them to last
>> longer. I though the 36k limit was erring on side of caution and for one
>> to go around that figure is pretty unlucky!
>>
>
> Oh sorry! Mea culpa!
>
>> Does driving style age them prematurely? Hard driving = hard wearing
>> timing belt, or does it not work like that with them?
>
>
> I'm with SteveH. It's a steel band, covered in rubber. You leave it in the
> same position[1] for some time, the steel will kink, and the rubber will
> harden.
> As ene fule kno, a kink is where it *WILL* break.
>
> [1] Renews mental note to *NOT* start either Sprint of Giulietta no matter
> how tempted.

Is there really no chain option for them - there must be some adjustments /
new 'cogs' that could be fitted to make a chain fit/work??

GT wrote:
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>> GT wrote:
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>>>> GT wrote:
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>>>>>> Malcolm Osborne wrote:
>>>>>>> "Malcolm Osborne" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> 156 2.0TS - driving along, revs go up briefly, then engine dies.
>>>>>>>> Turning ignition key causes starter motor to go `whirr', but no
>>>>>>>> effect on engine. Doesn't sound like cambelt - that would be more
>>>>>>>> dramatic?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any suggestions on root cause, before car is towed to agent? Was due
>>>>>>>> to go there in near future for service, inc cambelt change.
>>>>>>> Unfortunately turns out to be the cambelt that went - usual small
>>>>>>> fortune to fix!
>>>>>> Well yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The cambelt was last changed at 220 000Km (136700m), now its coming
>>>>>>> up for 280 000Km (174 000m). Thats 60 000Km (37282m) service life.
>>>>>>> Its supposed to be well within the recommended distance.
>>>>>> 36000 miles or 3 years, whichever is sooner. So you were *just* over
>>>>>> the mileage.
>>>>> Didn't they revise that figure a few years ago - it used to be longer
>>>>> IIRC.
>>>> That's what it was revised *to*.
>>> I know that - I just meant that in old money, they expected them to last
>>> longer. I though the 36k limit was erring on side of caution and for one
>>> to go around that figure is pretty unlucky!
>>>
>> Oh sorry! Mea culpa!
>>
>>> Does driving style age them prematurely? Hard driving = hard wearing
>>> timing belt, or does it not work like that with them?
>>
>> I'm with SteveH. It's a steel band, covered in rubber. You leave it in the
>> same position[1] for some time, the steel will kink, and the rubber will
>> harden.
>> As ene fule kno, a kink is where it *WILL* break.
>>
>> [1] Renews mental note to *NOT* start either Sprint of Giulietta no matter
>> how tempted.
>
> Is there really no chain option for them - there must be some adjustments /
> new 'cogs' that could be fitted to make a chain fit/work??
>
>

With money, all things are possible I spose. I would imagine it would be
very expensive though. On the Sprint you'd have to do two chains, plus
other stuff that I'm not familiar with. On the Giulietta that would be
water pump, cams, bottom end, oh and they'd both need some kind of
tensioner.



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Catman > wrote:

> With money, all things are possible I spose. I would imagine it would be
> very expensive though. On the Sprint you'd have to do two chains, plus
> other stuff that I'm not familiar with. On the Giulietta that would be
> water pump, cams, bottom end, oh and they'd both need some kind of
> tensioner.

And a lubrication system.
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SteveH

"Malcolm Osborne" > wrote in message
...
> "Malcolm Osborne" > wrote in message
> ...
>> 156 2.0TS - driving along, revs go up briefly, then engine dies. Turning
>> ignition key causes starter motor to go `whirr', but no effect on engine.
>> Doesn't sound like cambelt - that would be more dramatic?
>>
>> Any suggestions on root cause, before car is towed to agent? Was due to
>> go there in near future for service, inc cambelt change.
>>
>> --
>> regards,
>> Malcolm Osborne
>> Sedgefield, South Africa
>> 156TS - 1999 - 279655Km
>
> Unfortunately turns out to be the cambelt that went - usual small fortune
> to fix!
>
> The cambelt was last changed at 220 000Km (136700m), now its coming up for
> 280 000Km (174 000m). Thats 60 000Km (37282m) service life. Its supposed
> to be well within the recommended distance.
>
> I presume the difference is that I'm not using the car so much these
> days - it was last done in 2005. Would a cambelt deteriorate even if not
> used?
>
> The repair quote is R19 000 - ~ £1727. How does that compare to UK prices?
>
> regards,
> Malcolm Osborne
> Sedgefield, South Africa
> 156TS - 1999 - 279655Km
>
>
>

Eeeeekkkkk !!! Just spotted the £1727. I reckon that's at least twice
what the car is worth, so I assume you're intent on driving it into the
ground, or at least until it becomes "un-fixable". I'm in the same
situation, though I need to do a few more miles to catch up with you. Good
luck with the repairs !

Dave S... :>)) 156 2.0 SP2 1998 (84k miles approx)