If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#71
|
|||
|
|||
for the guys that are into recreational oil changing...
"C. E. White" > wrote in message > > While eveyone should make their own decisions on this, I can think of a > few "reasonable" reasons why it is useful to at least let people know 3000 > mile oil changes are not usually beneficial: > > 1) To counteract the constant din from compnies like Jiffy-Lube that have > brainwashed gnerations of people into thinking you must change your oil > every 3000 miles. > > 2) To make people aware that cars and oils are much better than was the > case when their Fathers used to change their oil. > > 3) Becasue some people are concerned about the environement and don't like > seeing all that perfectly good oil being drained from engines. > > 4) Just becasue we want people to know the facts so they can make an > informed decision. > > Ed What most people want, I think, is to have a car that goes when you turn the key, and doesnt crater before you are ready to trade it in and get a new one, all at a miraculously low price. We probably keep our cars longer than most people. 8-10 years for us is not unusual. And I want minimum trouble. I use the oil change interval recommended by the maker, no matter what an oil analysis might indicate. If I err, it tends to be on the side of changing sooner than later. But as you say, everyone must make that decision for himself. It's your car, do what you want with it. |
Ads |
#72
|
|||
|
|||
for the guys that are into recreational oil changing...
On 31/03/10 5:33 PM, Bob Jones wrote:
<snip> > - Driving less than 5 miles per trip or less than 10 miles per trip in > freezing temperatures. > - Driving in extreme hot (over 90F) conditions. > - Extensive idling or long periods of stop-and-go driving. > - Driving in muddy, dusty, de-iced, or mountain roads. > > I believe they apply to most drivers in this country. Are you saying no? The 5 or 10 miles per trip is if you _exclusively_ do short trips. Ditto for idling and stop and go driving. What they're worried about is that the water that accumulates in the oil will not be vaporized. A freeway drive of 30 minutes or so will take care of the problem with water condensing into the oil. That's why an interval of 7500 miles or six months, whichever occurs first, is a better spec. It takes into account drivers that are doing short trips only by default. Jiffy Lube tries to convince everyone that they qualify for "severe service" but don't fall for it. |
#73
|
|||
|
|||
for the guys that are into recreational oil changing...
On Mar 31, 11:34*am, SMS > wrote:
snip > You're not increasing your engine's life by changing your oil every 2000 > or 3000 miles versus 5000 miles. Did you bother to follow JB's link and read the suggested oil change intervals he is promoting? Based on your sentence above, obviously not. |
#74
|
|||
|
|||
for the guys that are into recreational oil changing...
"hls" > wrote in message ... > > "C. E. White" > wrote in message >> >> While eveyone should make their own decisions on this, I can think >> of a few "reasonable" reasons why it is useful to at least let >> people know 3000 mile oil changes are not usually beneficial: >> >> 1) To counteract the constant din from compnies like Jiffy-Lube >> that have brainwashed gnerations of people into thinking you must >> change your oil every 3000 miles. >> >> 2) To make people aware that cars and oils are much better than was >> the case when their Fathers used to change their oil. >> >> 3) Becasue some people are concerned about the environement and >> don't like seeing all that perfectly good oil being drained from >> engines. >> >> 4) Just becasue we want people to know the facts so they can make >> an informed decision. >> >> Ed > > What most people want, I think, is to have a car that goes when you > turn > the key, and doesnt crater before you are ready to trade it in and > get a > new one, all at a miraculously low price. I can't remember anyone in my family ever trading in a car becasue the engine was worn out. It always sem to be other stuff that finally makes the car/truck undesirable. > We probably keep our cars longer than most people. 8-10 years for > us is not unusual. And I want minimum trouble. I tend to get tired of vehicles sooner than that, although there are exceptions. But on the farm I usually keep things forever. My oldest tractor is 30 years old and still on the original engine. I change the oil in it every 150 engine hours or so. I figure this is roughly comparable to 5000 mile oil changes, although the usage is more severe than what you would see in a car. > I use the oil change interval recommended by the maker, no matter > what > an oil analysis might indicate. If I err, it tends to be on the > side of changing > sooner than later. When I had a Saturn with the oil life monitor, I was concnerned that I wasn't changing the oil often enough. I am not sure I ever actually waited until the light come on to change the oil. However one time when the oil had over 7500 miles of use, I decided to send a sample off to be analysed (I used Blackstone Labs). The analysis showed the oil still qualified as a 5W30 oil with minimal contamination. The report indicated that it was good until at least 10,000 miles. Of course I had already changed it at that point. At other times I pulled samples from other vehicles I own (or the SO owns) including a Nissan Frontier, a Ford Fusion, a Ford Expedition, and a Toyota RAV4. All had around 5000 miles on the oil at the time I pulled the samples for analysis. In every case the analysis claimed the oil was still good for many more miles. Changing oil at 3000 mile intervals is a hard habit for me to break. However, I have the perfect test case in my family - my older sister. Until she got cars with oil change indicators, she never remembered to change her oil at all and I had to constantly remind her. Before the oil change indicators, she would often exceed 10,000 miles on a change. With her newer cars, she never changed the oil befor ethe reminders, so her last Honda never got oil changes sooner than every 7500 miles. When she got rid of it last year, it had over 150,000 miles on the odometer. The car was a POS, but the engine started perfectly and ran fine. I can't see how changing the oil more oftne could have benefited her. So, with her new Toyota, I feel she is in fine shape. It has a reminder that comes on every 5000 miles. People always blame 3000 mile oil changes on the wisdom of their Fathers and/or mechanics. My Father always complianed that I changed oil too often (and on the farm changing tractors can get expensive). He thought 5000 miles was soon enough. My favorite mechanic agrees, 5000 miles is plenty soon, and he has a financial interest in encouraging more often changes. One of my neighbors uses synthetic oil in his Silverado HD diesel. He changes the filter every 5000 miles, but only changes the oil every 10,000 miles. The truck has nearly 100,000 miles and likely will be beat into a pile of junk before the engine give up (he uses it to pull trailers frequently). Ed |
#75
|
|||
|
|||
for the guys that are into recreational oil changing...
On Apr 1, 12:39*pm, ACAR > wrote:
The link Dr. Beam provides indicates a 10,000 mile oil change interval for cars. It goes on to say "Mileage can be extended furthest in gasoline engines by using higher quality motor oils containing a high total base number (TBN)." So anything less than 10,000 miles between oil changes is recreational and unnecessary according to the OP. Not 2000, not 3000, not 5000, not 7500 miles. |
#76
|
|||
|
|||
for the guys that are into recreational oil changing...
Tegger wrote: > > jim > wrote in > : > > > > > > > Tegger wrote: > > >> > > >> > >> Your entire reply is very difficult to understand, is filled with > >> negatives stacked upon negatives, and appears to my faulty brain to > >> be pretty much ill-thought-out gibberish. > > > > Try reading it slowly - it isn't that complicated. > > Try writing more clearly. I don't care to wade repeatedly through lousy > writing; I have to do enough of that at work. Obviously watching US TV has reduced your reading skills to very low level. I'll put it in terms that even a simpleton should be able to understand. Somebody said "These minute particles pose no danger to your engine, but they cause the oil to darken." I responded that although that holds true most of the time there can be unusual circumstances where those fine particles do cause harm. -jim |
#77
|
|||
|
|||
for the guys that are into recreational oil changing...
"Obveeus" > wrote in
: > > "Tegger" > wrote in message > ... >> "Obveeus" > wrote in >> : >> >>> Exposure to all the chemicals also causes many health >>> problems. >> >> Question for you: What's a "chemical"? > > Did that statement really need to read as: 'Exposure to all the > *harmful* chemicals also causes many health problems.' for you to > understand it? > > So "chemical" and "harmful" are one and the same to you? Define "chemical". -- Tegger |
#78
|
|||
|
|||
for the guys that are into recreational oil changing...
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt,net> wrote in
: > > I'll put it in terms that even a simpleton should be able to understand. Thank you for accommodating me. > > Somebody said > > "These minute particles pose no danger to > your engine, but they cause the oil to darken." > > I responded that although that holds true most of the time there can be > unusual circumstances where those fine particles do cause harm. > That statement is much more clearly written than your previous jumble. -- Tegger |
#79
|
|||
|
|||
for the guys that are into recreational oil changing...
"Tegger" > wrote: > "Obveeus" > wrote in >> "Tegger" > wrote in message >> ... >>> "Obveeus" > wrote in >>> : >>> >>>> Exposure to all the chemicals also causes many health >>>> problems. >>> >>> Question for you: What's a "chemical"? >> >> Did that statement really need to read as: 'Exposure to all the >> *harmful* chemicals also causes many health problems.' for you to >> understand it? > > So "chemical" and "harmful" are one and the same to you? Clearly, the above does not say that. Why are you acting stupid? > Define "chemical". No desire to play your little agenda game. Defining 'chemical' will in no way lead to a greater depth of dicussion on why it is bad to needlessly expose yourself to harmful chemicals. Keep cleaning/disinfecting your home hourly if you believe that it won't/can't hurt you. |
#80
|
|||
|
|||
for the guys that are into recreational oil changing...
On Mar 29, 5:41*pm, jim beam > wrote:
> http://www.dtsc.ca.gov/TechnologyDev...High-Efficienc... > > shock, horror, they used oil analysis to arrive at these recommendations! > > -- > nomina rutrum rutrum Interesting point: "The HE filters used in this study claimed filtration of particles to 1-2 [microns], much better than standard filters of 30-50 [microns]. Using standard filters is one reason that motor oil needs to be changed; it gets dirty with small particles which results in engine wear. In this regard, standard filters have not improved over the years compared to significant improvements in motor oil quality. The oil change interval set in warranties is a result of standard filters being the limiting factor, not the motor oil quality. Hence, higher quality filters will help to extend motor oil life to its full potential." This raises the question: would it be safe to keep engine oil for 10,000 miles if you replace JUST the oil filter every 5,000 miles? Is an HE filter necessary? Oil analysis comparisons of the HE Fram X2 filter vs. a normal CarQuest filter would have been nice. Maybe I can do an experiment with my '96 Camry (176k miles). For my wife's car, the 5,000 mile oil change will remain... Michael |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
The days of the bicycle as basically a kids recreational vehicleare long gone | Paul Berg | Driving | 284 | September 6th 07 05:46 AM |
Changing antifreeze when changing water pump | Sasha | Technology | 14 | February 5th 07 04:55 PM |
Best auto for recreational backfiring? Techniques? | Lee Roth | General | 0 | October 1st 04 02:18 AM |
Support the Recreational Trails Program | Greg Adams | 4x4 | 0 | June 23rd 04 10:34 PM |
Chance to Win Great Prizes and Help Recreational Access | Greg Adams | 4x4 | 2 | January 23rd 04 05:08 PM |