Ford chief seeks help from Toyota

"Jeff" > wrote in message
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>
> "Mike Hunter" > wrote in message
> ...
>> The VIN list the manufacture as well as the divisions and truck have a
>> different body designations than cars . You can try here
>> www.fleet.ford.com/maintenance/vin but You may need a password to log
>> on. No, I will not give you mine if you do.
>
> No need. Not giving out your password is a very good idea. I don't even
> give my password to my family. Of course, if you knew my family, you
> wouldn't give out passwords to them, either.
>
> https://www.fleet.ford.com/maintenan...fs/VIN2005.pdf
>
> On page two of that document, it lists the meaning of the WMI. It doesn't
> mention content.
>
>> What makes you think I would ever ride in the NYC subway? Keep searching
>> and you will find what I found
>
> Fine, we can walk to a restaurant in Times Square or take a taxi (they use
> Ford Crown Vics). You can park in the Port Authority Bus Terminal Garage.
> All those places are within walking distance if you're up to it.
>
> I think you are afraid to take the challange.
>
> From the US code that requires VINs: The first section shall consist of
> three characters that occupy positions one through three (1-3) in the VIN.
> This section shall uniquely identify the manufacturer, make and type of
> the motor vehicle if its manufacturer produces 500 or more motor vehicles
> of its type annually. If the manufacturer produces less than 500 motor
> vehicles of its type annually, these characters along with the third,
> fourth and fifth characters of the fourth section shall uniquely identify
> the manufacturer, make and type of the motor vehicle. These characters are
> assigned in accordance with §565.7(a).
>
> Don't you think it would mention content if the first character had
> anything to do with content?
>
> http://www.vinpower.com/vininformation.aspx
>
> And here is an intersting article that mentions that we are running out of
> VINs that start with 5.

Sorry, it was sent accidently before this was pasted:

http://calbears.findarticles.com/p/a...2/ai_n12553720

This indicates that the reason why 4 and 5 were added as the first digit of
the VIN is that we ran out of 1s, then 4s, and now we are getting short of
5s. Content has nothing to do with it.

This is the last time I am going to respond to you in this thread, unless
you can actually provide a real link that actually works. I am wasting my
time. And, at your age, you don't have much time either.

Jeff

>
> Jeff
>
>> mike
>>
>>
>> "Jeff" > wrote in message
>> news:qOuoh.2153$312.1329@trndny02...
>>>
>>> "Mike Hunter" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Think about it. The fact two vehicles assembled in the same plant can
>>>> have different numbers proves it has to do with content. If not it
>>>> would not only be the LT, but some of the F150s as well, that would
>>>> exhibit a 4
>>>>
>>>> mike
>>>
>>> The LT has a 5.
>>>
>>> Could it be that different makes have different WMI (world manufacturer
>>> ids)? And Lincoln wouldn't have been assigned a WMI for trucks because
>>> they didn't make trucks until the last 5 or 10 years, when they started
>>> coming out with trucks (SUVs)?
>>>
>>> In fact, this is what it is. Each of the manufacturers have a different
>>> WMI. Look at the bottom table on this page:
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ford_VIN_codes
>>>
>>> You'll see that each vehicle type (Lincoln SUV, Ford Passenger car,
>>> etc.) has its own WMI. The WMIs have nothing to do vehicle content. They
>>> are assigned by an organization in the US (I think SAE). If you are
>>> correct about VINs, there would be 3 VINs for each type of vehicle
>>> (depending on content), not just one.
>>>
>>> I propose the following bet: Right after Easter, we meet at the NYC auto
>>> show. It should be easy to confirm whether or not the content reported
>>> on the stickers has anything to do with VINs or not. The loser buys
>>> lunch at Dallas BBQ or Red Lobster (I think I will have a coupon for you
>>> to save you money at Red Lobster) or another resteraunt we agree on. We
>>> can also take the subway to Chinatown or Little Italy. It will be nice
>>> to meet an nice perosn with whom I have talked with on the internet in
>>> person and put a face with the typing. And we can post our picture
>>> together on the internet.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Matt Macchiarolo" > wrote in message
>>>> . ..
>>>>> Yeah, it's the 11th digit. Your point is?
>>>>>
>>>>> My point as others have pointed out, we have more vehicles produced at
>>>>> more assembly plants. Your information that Fords and Lincoln trucks
>>>>> assembled at the same plant but with different country digits
>>>>> completely proves that you are incorrect.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

"Mike Hunter" > wrote in message
...
> Looks like you may have finally stumbled on the explanation you seek. The
> reason the Lincoln LT has a 4 and the F150 a 1, although they both built
> on the same assemble line, is the US content of the LT falls slightly
> below 70%
>
>
> mike

I'm sure you have proof that the US content of the LT falls below 70% and
the US content of the F150 is above 80% beyond the alleged first digit
designation.

>
>
> "Jeff" > wrote in message
> news:vkaoh.956$2D.305@trndny07...
>>
>> "Mike Hunter" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> No they haven't, the only thing they have posted is that the first
>>> number is the county where the vehicle is assembled . Nothing about the
>>> specific number assigned 1, 4 and 5.
>>>
>>> mike
>>
>> Incorrect. I have demostrated that similar vehicles coming off the same
>> assembly line have different first digits despite the fact that the US
>> content is nearly the same. This flies in the face of your conjecture.
>
>

You made the claim, you back it up. Nothing you or anyone else posted
confirms your claims.

"Mike Hunter" > wrote in message
...
> On the contrary nothing posted has shown the assignment of the first digit
> of VIN 1, 4 and 5 to be for anything but US content. If you believe that
> is wrong, show us
>
>
> mike
>
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> But you haven't posted ANYTHING to back up your bogus claims!!
>>
>> "Mike Hunter" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> No they haven't, the only thing they have posted is that the first
>>> number is the county where the vehicle is assembled . Nothing about the
>>> specific number assigned 1, 4 and 5.
>>>
>>> mike
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jack" > wrote in message
>>> et...
>>>> Mike Hunter wrote:
>>>>> You will discover as I have that it the difference is US content,
>>>>> which is more than the totality of the parts. '1' indicates more than
>>>>> 70%, '4' less than 70% but more than 40% and '5' less than 40%.
>
>

You're making a cyclical argument, based on the premise that your original
claim is correct, which you have provided NO documentation other than
"because I said so."

"Mike Hunter" > wrote in message
...
> Think about it. The fact two vehicles assembled in the same plant can
> have different numbers proves it has to do with content. If not it would
> not only be the LT, but some of the F150s as well, that would exhibit a 4
>
>
> mike
>
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> Yeah, it's the 11th digit. Your point is?
>>
>> My point as others have pointed out, we have more vehicles produced at
>> more assembly plants. Your information that Fords and Lincoln trucks
>> assembled at the same plant but with different country digits completely
>> proves that you are incorrect.
>>
>
>

> http://calbears.findarticles.com/p/a...2/ai_n12553720
>
> This indicates that the reason why 4 and 5 were added as the first digit
> of the VIN is that we ran out of 1s, then 4s, and now we are getting short
> of 5s. Content has nothing to do with it.
>
> This is the last time I am going to respond to you in this thread, unless
> you can actually provide a real link that actually works. I am wasting my
> time. And, at your age, you don't have much time either.
>
> Jeff
>
I'm with you, Jeff. But I don't think Mike is going to change his feeble
mind.

If I find myself at the Detroit auto show this month I will make a note of
the VIN's and domestic content of the cars I look at and post them here. It
opens to the public next Sunday.

"Matt Macchiarolo" > wrote in message
news
>
>
>> http://calbears.findarticles.com/p/a...2/ai_n12553720
>>
>> This indicates that the reason why 4 and 5 were added as the first digit
>> of the VIN is that we ran out of 1s, then 4s, and now we are getting
>> short of 5s. Content has nothing to do with it.
>>
>> This is the last time I am going to respond to you in this thread, unless
>> you can actually provide a real link that actually works. I am wasting my
>> time. And, at your age, you don't have much time either.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
> I'm with you, Jeff. But I don't think Mike is going to change his feeble
> mind.
>
> If I find myself at the Detroit auto show this month I will make a note of
> the VIN's and domestic content of the cars I look at and post them here.
> It opens to the public next Sunday.

I will do the same at the NYC show. I wish Mike would join me, though. While
I disagree with him on this issue as well as who is #2 in US auto sales, he
seems to be a nice gentleman who likes cars. I should be fun meeting him and
seeing the cars with him (or any other member of the newsgroup).

Jeff

How can that possibly be? VINs are specific by their nature to a particular
vehicle. Obviously you have not learned anything from this discussion, even
from the things you yourself have posted, like the designation for
individual models that are part of the individual VIN. I .E. a P71 is an
Interceptor, a P74 is a CV LX, a T85 is a Mustang GT convertible and an M26
is a Zephyr, T15 is an F150, an X15 is a 4x4 F150 etc.

mike

"Jeff" > wrote in message
news:8zxoh.3234$AM4.2493@trnddc07...
>
> "Mike Hunter" > wrote in message
> ...
>> The VIN list the manufacture as well as the divisions and truck have a
>> different body designations than cars . You can try here
>> www.fleet.ford.com/maintenance/vin but You may need a password to log
>> on. No, I will not give you mine if you do.
>
> No need. Not giving out your password is a very good idea. I don't even
> give my password to my family. Of course, if you knew my family, you
> wouldn't give out passwords to them, either.

>
> And here is an intersting article that mentions that we are running out of
> VINs that start with 5.
>
>
> Jeff
>

Thank goodness for that


mike


"Jeff" > wrote in message
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>
>
> This is the last time I am going to respond to you in this thread>
>>
>> Jeff

You can find what you seek if you do your homework. That is what I did, when
I became curious as to why the US had three numbers and other countries had
only one.



mike


"Matt Macchiarolo" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Mike Hunter" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Looks like you may have finally stumbled on the explanation you seek.
>> The reason the Lincoln LT has a 4 and the F150 a 1, although they both
>> built on the same assemble line, is the US content of the LT falls
>> slightly below 70%
>>
>>
>> mike
>
> I'm sure you have proof that the US content of the LT falls below 70% and
> the US content of the F150 is above 80% beyond the alleged first digit
> designation.

Actually it is because I know so, because I did the search to find out why.



mike


"Matt Macchiarolo" > wrote in message
...
> You're making a cyclical argument, based on the premise that your original
> claim is correct, which you have provided NO documentation other than
> "because I said so."
>
> "Mike Hunter" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Think about it. The fact two vehicles assembled in the same plant can
>> have different numbers proves it has to do with content. If not it would
>> not only be the LT, but some of the F150s as well, that would exhibit a 4
>>
>>
>> mike
>>
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>> Yeah, it's the 11th digit. Your point is?
>>>
>>> My point as others have pointed out, we have more vehicles produced at
>>> more assembly plants. Your information that Fords and Lincoln trucks
>>> assembled at the same plant but with different country digits completely
>>> proves that you are incorrect.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>