Subaru station wagon beats most BMW's?!

I can understand that the Subaru WRX Sti is fast, but... I'm
finding it hard to believe that this dorky Subaru station wagon
does 0-60 in 5.3 secs:

http://cars.about.com/cs/testdrives/fr/forester_tst.htm

Can that be true?!? Ie, can this boxy station wagon smoke
every single BMW except for a M3?!

Thanks in advance.
-Ted

PS. for BMW 0-60 times, see:
http://www.ssmoparmuscle.com/speedco...ORDERD IR=ASC

(Ted Johnson) haute in die Tasten:

> Can that be true?!? Ie, can this boxy station wagon smoke
> every single BMW except for a M3?!
>

Well, I think a Z8, an M roadster and an M5 will also be faster than the
Subaru;-) But IMHO one reason for the fast acceleration is the all wheel
drive. If you have to bring 2,500 pounds from 0 to 60 in less than 6
seconds, the traction of two aqdditional wheels are welcome.

Frank

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Frank Kemper wrote:

> (Ted Johnson) haute in die Tasten:
>
>> Can that be true?!? Ie, can this boxy station wagon smoke
>> every single BMW except for a M3?!
>>
>
> Well, I think a Z8, an M roadster and an M5 will also be faster than
> the Subaru;-) But IMHO one reason for the fast acceleration is the
> all wheel drive. If you have to bring 2,500 pounds from 0 to 60 in
> less than 6 seconds, the traction of two aqdditional wheels are
> welcome.

That 4WD does wonders for handling too -- in fact a WRX will probably run rings
around an M3 anywhere but an actual race track. Snobs may insist otherwise,
but...

Matt O.

"Matt O'Toole" > wrote in message
...

> That 4WD does wonders for handling too -- in fact a WRX will probably run
rings
> around an M3 anywhere but an actual race track. Snobs may insist
otherwise,
> but...

Snobs that believe the sales hype ... plus believe a £25k+ car
>must< be better than a £18k car.
= Mostly naive.

Light + big bhp + all wheel drive would be my choice of new car.
Lardy + big bhp + rear wheel drive wouldn't be my choice of new
car.

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Regards....
Steve

Is this troll central or something?

So what if the Subaru is faster? It has an econo-crap interior, and those
dorky looks that still scream "mass-market system bitch" car.

I'll take a classy but 'slower' bmw any day.

>"Matt O'Toole" > wrote in message
...
>
>> That 4WD does wonders for handling too -- in fact a WRX will probably run
>rings
>> around an M3 anywhere but an actual race track. Snobs may insist
>otherwise,
>> but...
>
>Snobs that believe the sales hype ... plus believe a £25k+ car
>>must< be better than a £18k car.
>= Mostly naive.
>
>Light + big bhp + all wheel drive would be my choice of new car.
>Lardy + big bhp + rear wheel drive wouldn't be my choice of new
>car.
>
>--
>Regards....
>Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

KoKaineBoy wrote:

> Is this troll central or something?
>
> So what if the Subaru is faster? It has an econo-crap interior, and
> those dorky looks that still scream "mass-market system bitch" car.
>
> I'll take a classy but 'slower' bmw any day.

Well, in my book either car is for poseurs. Real sports drivers would use that
money to buy a good used Sports 2000 or FF, and a reliable pickup truck to pull
it with.

My next BMW -- probably a late E36 323is, which seem underpriced on the used
market these days (all the poseurs want the 328 or M3).

Matt O.

in article , Matt O'Toole at
wrote on 10/20/04 3:07 PM:

> Frank Kemper wrote:
>
>> (Ted Johnson) haute in die Tasten:
>>
>>> Can that be true?!? Ie, can this boxy station wagon smoke
>>> every single BMW except for a M3?!
>>>
>>
>> Well, I think a Z8, an M roadster and an M5 will also be faster than
>> the Subaru;-) But IMHO one reason for the fast acceleration is the
>> all wheel drive. If you have to bring 2,500 pounds from 0 to 60 in
>> less than 6 seconds, the traction of two aqdditional wheels are
>> welcome.
>
> That 4WD does wonders for handling too -- in fact a WRX will probably run
> rings
> around an M3 anywhere but an actual race track. Snobs may insist otherwise,
> but...

First off, the original poster was talking about a Forester XT, not a WRX.
And, no, the Forester won't smoke an M3. And neither will a WRX, which has
105 less HP, is a full second slower to 60, a full second slower in the
quarter and pulls about .82g's vs an M3's .88. So the WRX might win in the
rain or snow but that's about it. Now if you're talking about an STI, you're
getting closer. But as far as hopped up ricer econo boxes go, the one to
beat right now is the Lancer Evo.

Why is anyone even talking about a ****ing Subura anyway?

"Matt O'Toole" > wrote in message
...
> KoKaineBoy wrote:
>
>> Is this troll central or something?
>>
>> So what if the Subaru is faster? It has an econo-crap interior, and
>> those dorky looks that still scream "mass-market system bitch" car.
>>
>> I'll take a classy but 'slower' bmw any day.
>
> Well, in my book either car is for poseurs. Real sports drivers would use
> that
> money to buy a good used Sports 2000 or FF, and a reliable pickup truck to
> pull
> it with.
>
> My next BMW -- probably a late E36 323is, which seem underpriced on the
> used
> market these days (all the poseurs want the 328 or M3).

There isn't a lot of posing going on if all you have is an E36 328i. The
difference in these engines is mostly in torque, which dramaticallt affects
the driving experience. The difference in badge "bling" only works with
people who already understand the BMW model structuring. I would not think
those ones are the poseurs. Plus, on the ised market, there is very, very
little difference in price between a 5 or 5 year old 323i and 328i.

YMMV,
-Fred W

Fred W. wrote:

> Plus, on
> the ised market, there is very, very little difference in price
> between a 5 or 5 year old 323i and 328i.

There is with the coupe. Don't go by KBB, Edmunds, or other "predictive"
measures, but real-time ones, like dealer auctions, eBay, etc..

Matt O.