2005 Butt-Ugly Mustang

J, the GTO sports the LS2 for this year. Speaking of the LS2, it also
found a new home in the SSR. Patrick, are you paying attention? Go
read the mini-reviews in my SFIAS (South Florida International Auto
Show) post.

BTW, the car to buy is the Cadillac CTS-V. It's basically a 4-door
Corvette. 1/10 of a second behind a Z06 in the 1/4 mile. 6-speed
only. Rock on.

Joe
Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies
Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC


Wound Up > wrote in
:

> 180 Out wrote:
>> Wound Up > wrote in message
>> >...
>>
>>>One who thinks the Grand Am-like GTO is more exciting than the new
>>>Mustang prefers Manilow to Korn.
>>
>>
>> You rang? Because I find it hard to believe that anyone could
>> prefer an '05 Mustang to a 400 hp, IRS Goat.
>
> Well 180, I guess it just has to be a function of advancing age that
> makes you think that way. It must be more accepted as a "mature"
> ride at the club (golf, not dance). An independent rear suspension
> must be easier on the ol' back, and the bigger seats must be better
> for the widening posterior.
>
> And where is the 400hp coming from? I thought it had 350, from the
> next-gen LS1... I don't doubt you, I've just always seen 350.
>
> http://www.pontiac.com/specs/specs_c..._overview.jsp?
b
> rand=gto&pagename=home
>
> I saw the C&D Mustang GT road test today, and the 300-hp Mustang
> beats the GTO 0-60 and 1/4-mile. I'm not the stat geek type but the
> recent discussion came to mind as I waited for a haircut today.
> Yeah, that's just one thing it does better, but for all the hype...
> it disappointed me. The GTO should, IMO, beat the Mustang,
> especially considering the premium in price.
>
> The six-speed stick actually costs $700 MORE than the auto? What a
> rip, man!!! I know Tremecs aren't cheap (I have a TR-3550) but come
> ON!!! When did that ever happen? Read - "the auto is taxicab crap,
> and you have to pay guzzler tax, so you're screwed either way".
> Nice typical GM job there...
>
>> Oh Mandy,
>> you came and you gave without taking,
>> but I sent you away.
>> Oh, Mandy,
>> you kissed me and stopped me from shaking,
>> and I need you today. Oh, Mandy!
>
> You just couldn't resist, could you... NOR CAN I
>
> Her name is Lola, she was a showgirl
> But that was thirty years ago, when they used to have a show
> Now it's a disco, but not for Lola
> Still in the dress she used to wear, faded feathers in her hair
> She sits there so refined, and drinks herself half-blind
> She lost her youth and she lost her Tony
> Now she's lost her mind!
>
> At the Copa, Copacabana
> The hottest spot north of Havana
> At the Copa, Copacabana
> Music and passion were always the fashion
> At the Copa .... don't fall in love
> With the GTO...
>
>>
>> 180 Out
>> TS 28
>
>

Wound Up > wrote in
:
<snip>
> QUARTER-MOLE! That was suppose to be MILE
<snip>

J, did you just finish watching Caddyshack or something?

Joe
Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies
Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC

Joe wrote:
> J, the GTO sports the LS2 for this year. Speaking of the LS2, it also
> found a new home in the SSR. Patrick, are you paying attention? Go
> read the mini-reviews in my SFIAS (South Florida International Auto
> Show) post.

Yeah, I got Google-challenged there I guess. Thanks.

> BTW, the car to buy is the Cadillac CTS-V. It's basically a 4-door
> Corvette. 1/10 of a second behind a Z06 in the 1/4 mile. 6-speed
> only. Rock on.

WOO-HOO. Now THAT'S cool. 180? Thoughts? -I- can dig it.

>
> Joe
> Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies
> Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
>
>
> Wound Up > wrote in
> :
>
>
>>180 Out wrote:
>>
>>>Wound Up > wrote in message
>...
>>>
>>>
>>>>One who thinks the Grand Am-like GTO is more exciting than the new
>>>>Mustang prefers Manilow to Korn.
>>>
>>>
>>>You rang? Because I find it hard to believe that anyone could
>>>prefer an '05 Mustang to a 400 hp, IRS Goat.
>>
>>Well 180, I guess it just has to be a function of advancing age that
>>makes you think that way. It must be more accepted as a "mature"
>>ride at the club (golf, not dance). An independent rear suspension
>>must be easier on the ol' back, and the bigger seats must be better
>>for the widening posterior.
>>
>>And where is the 400hp coming from? I thought it had 350, from the
>>next-gen LS1... I don't doubt you, I've just always seen 350.
>>
>>http://www.pontiac.com/specs/specs_c..._overview.jsp?
>
> b
>
>>rand=gto&pagename=home
>>
>>I saw the C&D Mustang GT road test today, and the 300-hp Mustang
>>beats the GTO 0-60 and 1/4-mile. I'm not the stat geek type but the
>>recent discussion came to mind as I waited for a haircut today.
>>Yeah, that's just one thing it does better, but for all the hype...
>>it disappointed me. The GTO should, IMO, beat the Mustang,
>>especially considering the premium in price.
>>
>>The six-speed stick actually costs $700 MORE than the auto? What a
>>rip, man!!! I know Tremecs aren't cheap (I have a TR-3550) but come
>>ON!!! When did that ever happen? Read - "the auto is taxicab crap,
>>and you have to pay guzzler tax, so you're screwed either way".
>>Nice typical GM job there...
>>
>>
>>>Oh Mandy,
>>>you came and you gave without taking,
>>>but I sent you away.
>>>Oh, Mandy,
>>>you kissed me and stopped me from shaking,
>>>and I need you today. Oh, Mandy!
>>
>>You just couldn't resist, could you... NOR CAN I
>>
>>Her name is Lola, she was a showgirl
>>But that was thirty years ago, when they used to have a show
>>Now it's a disco, but not for Lola
>>Still in the dress she used to wear, faded feathers in her hair
>>She sits there so refined, and drinks herself half-blind
>>She lost her youth and she lost her Tony
>>Now she's lost her mind!
>>
>>At the Copa, Copacabana
>>The hottest spot north of Havana
>>At the Copa, Copacabana
>>Music and passion were always the fashion
>>At the Copa .... don't fall in love
>>With the GTO...
>>
>>
>>>180 Out
>>>TS 28
>>
>>
>

Joe wrote:
> Wound Up > wrote in
> :
> <snip>
>
>>QUARTER-MOLE! That was suppose to be MILE
>
> <snip>
>
> J, did you just finish watching Caddyshack or something?

No, I'd just seen Cindy Crawford somewhere.

Got a friend whose name is in the (musical) credits of that movie! He
still gets checks.

>
> Joe
> Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies
> Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC

>Yes, the sales figures WILL tell... and the results will dismay you.

Ugly cars sell. A classic example is the 79-95 Mustangs, or the Dodge Ram
trucks.

DC

The '96-'98 looked the same as the '94-'95, looks are subjective anyway. My
favorite year Mustang, not counting the new '05, is the '70 with the '69
being a close second. The '71-'73 were big and bloated like the '94-'98. I
think the '74-'78 Mustang's (I had 3) looked more like a "Mustang" than the
'79-'98 models. (I also had an '83 and '89) The '99-'04 body also looked
more like a real "Mustang" than the '79-'98 models. I hated the '94 when it
hit the showrooms, it was SO ugly I never thought I'd be able to own another
Mustang . I did end up with a '98 even though I wasn't happy with the looks,
and was ****ed when the '99 hit the showrooms with more of a "Mustang" look
and 35 more horses to back it up. Bought me a '00 as soon as the loan on the
'98 went right side up. The Cobra was a horsepower decision and will be
traded in for the new Cobra as soon as I can get one for sticker or less.
The new Mustang looks as it should, what do people want the Mustang to look
like? A Probe?
--
Mike
Silver 10th Anniversary Cobra Coupe
---

Deadcarnahans wrote:
>> Yes, the sales figures WILL tell... and the results will dismay you.
>
> Ugly cars sell. A classic example is the 79-95 Mustangs, or the Dodge
> Ram trucks.
>
> DC

I'd rather own an "Ugly" Mustang than a good looking GM ;^) StuK


"WraithCobra" > wrote in message ...
> The '96-'98 looked the same as the '94-'95, looks are subjective anyway. My
> favorite year Mustang, not counting the new '05, is the '70 with the '69
> being a close second. The '71-'73 were big and bloated like the '94-'98. I
> think the '74-'78 Mustang's (I had 3) looked more like a "Mustang" than the
> '79-'98 models. (I also had an '83 and '89) The '99-'04 body also looked
> more like a real "Mustang" than the '79-'98 models. I hated the '94 when it
> hit the showrooms, it was SO ugly I never thought I'd be able to own another
> Mustang . I did end up with a '98 even though I wasn't happy with the looks,
> and was ****ed when the '99 hit the showrooms with more of a "Mustang" look
> and 35 more horses to back it up. Bought me a '00 as soon as the loan on the
> '98 went right side up. The Cobra was a horsepower decision and will be
> traded in for the new Cobra as soon as I can get one for sticker or less.
> The new Mustang looks as it should, what do people want the Mustang to look
> like? A Probe?
> --
> Mike
> Silver 10th Anniversary Cobra Coupe
> ---
>
> Deadcarnahans wrote:
> >> Yes, the sales figures WILL tell... and the results will dismay you.
> >
> > Ugly cars sell. A classic example is the 79-95 Mustangs, or the Dodge
> > Ram trucks.
> >
> > DC
>
>

So your saying that say.... an 80's Chevy Citation should be considered good looking as
compared to an early Fox Mustang? StuK


"Deadcarnahans" > wrote in message
...
> >Yes, the sales figures WILL tell... and the results will dismay you.
>
> Ugly cars sell. A classic example is the 79-95 Mustangs, or the Dodge Ram
> trucks.
>
> DC

Wound Up > wrote in message >...
> Joe wrote:
> > J, the GTO sports the LS2 for this year. Speaking of the LS2, it also
> > found a new home in the SSR. Patrick, are you paying attention? Go
> > read the mini-reviews in my SFIAS (South Florida International Auto
> > Show) post.
>
> Yeah, I got Google-challenged there I guess. Thanks.
>
> > BTW, the car to buy is the Cadillac CTS-V. It's basically a 4-door
> > Corvette. 1/10 of a second behind a Z06 in the 1/4 mile. 6-speed
> > only. Rock on.
>
> WOO-HOO. Now THAT'S cool. 180? Thoughts? -I- can dig it.
>

*gag*. I'm sorry, but here's an example of a butt-ugly body and with
no style that a good marketing program and a good chassis and motor
seem to be able sell. I see these slab-sided, fat-assed, angular nosed
things all the time now and I still don't see what anyone likes. It's
a flattened Aztek with no cladding! Here's to Caddy for being able
sell an ugly vehicle when Pontiac can't .

I know, deep down, that it's a great car though. The CTS-V did really,
really well in the Grand Am Cup Street Stock Series. There's a lot of
good car in there with a ton of potential.

But it's so gruesome I'll never even consider it. While the new GTO
may be less unique looking across the GM platforms it's at least an
aesthetic style .

[snippage]

Joe > wrote in message >...

> J, the GTO sports the LS2 for this year. Speaking of the LS2, it also
> found a new home in the SSR. Patrick, are you paying attention?

GTOs, Mustangs, Caddy CTS-Vs...yeah, I'm paying attention.

SSR has 390 horses this year, but with the tonnage it's pulling around
it still needs about 100 more.

> Go
> read the mini-reviews in my SFIAS (South Florida International Auto
> Show) post.

> BTW, the car to buy is the Cadillac CTS-V. It's basically a 4-door
> Corvette. 1/10 of a second behind a Z06 in the 1/4 mile. 6-speed
> only. Rock on.

Joe,

The V is cool! But it's not that fast, Joe. After all, it's no where
near as light as a Z06. The V runs around 13's at about 105 or so.
The Z06 is knocking down low 12's at 1 high teens.

> >>>One who thinks the Grand Am-like GTO is more exciting than the new
> >>>Mustang prefers Manilow to Korn.

Korn? Geeze... isn't that stuff about 10 years old?

Patrick
'93 Cobra
'83 LTD