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Old May 12th 04, 03:20 AM
dizzy
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 15:14:15 +0200, Peter Bozz
> wrote:

>The top selling cars in Holland in 2003 we


> 2. Peugeot (52.412 exemplaren)
> 3. Renault (47.159 nieuwe auto's)


You mean someone outside of France buys those Frenchy cars? Wow.

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Old May 12th 04, 06:56 AM
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dizzy wrote:
> On Tue, 11 May 2004 15:14:15 +0200, Peter Bozz
> > wrote:
>
>
>>The top selling cars in Holland in 2003 we

>
>
>> 2. Peugeot (52.412 exemplaren)
>> 3. Renault (47.159 nieuwe auto's)

>
>
> You mean someone outside of France buys those Frenchy cars? Wow.
>

I know, it's shocking. I guess buyers are lured by the abundant
"standard" gadgetry the French are so fond of, the pseudo-futuristic
looks (you seen the new Megane?), and who knows, maybe they're fun
to drive the 50,000 miles you can manage in them before you
throw them away.

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Old May 12th 04, 07:23 AM
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Dori A Schmetterling wrote:
> At least in Germany seeing lots of BMWs and Mercs is no illusion! They are
> top sellers:
> http://www.kfz-auskunft.de/kfz/pkw_n...ngen_2003.html
>
> In the Netherlands I seem to see Mercs on every corner...
>
> DAS


A short drive around where I live revealed 8 Mercs. Now,
it's no Beverly Hills, just a fairly affluent neighborhood of
a big Dutch city (actually, I crossed over into the affluent
neighborhood from the not-so-affluent part of town I live in).
There were a couple of Saabs and a few of the ubiquitous V40/V70
Volvos. I counted 6 BMWs and at least one A6, two A4s, a Jaguar XJ
and a Lexus LS400. Most of the Mercs were of course C series. I
didn't count the CLK Cabrio my local drug dealer drives: he's
hardly representative of the general population and might
skew my empirical data. I guestimate that I must have seen about
500 cars.

Most people here seem to have a, shall we say, predilection for spacious
MPV type of cars, mostly uninspiring brands I coudn't even tell apart.
Think Ford, Opel, Peugeot, Fiat, some Japanese and Korean brands,
whatever.

I wonder, what city was it that you say you saw Mercs on
every corner?

Peter

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Old May 12th 04, 04:39 PM
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"eBob.com" > wrote in message v.net>...
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> I had a '95 A6(2.8)Q wagon
> The timing belts have been somewhat expensive as I recall, but every
> car needs that at rougly 60K.


Not if they don't *have* them. Most BMWs don't.
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Old May 12th 04, 04:44 PM
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"Fred W." <Fred.Wills@allspam myrealbox.com> wrote in message >...
>
> I personally would rather have a BMW with a nice set of low profile wheels
> and Z rated summer tires and second set of wheels and winter snow tires. My
> second set of wheels and tires would cost what, $600? vs. buying an AWD car
> and being crippled in handling for 95% of the year? I can take my snow
> tires off in the summer. Can you take off your AWD hardware?


"crippled in handling"? Apparently, Fred hasn't experienced the
difference between dry road AWD neutrality and BMW's famous trailing
throttle oversteer ...
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Old May 12th 04, 05:03 PM
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"JP Roberts" > wrote in message >...
>
> Your definition of handling superbly does not tally with the fact when I go
> skiing I can often find BMW drivers stranded or looking for their chains.
> I've driven RWD and can tell you again it's pretty close to useless in
> really bad weather.


While the BMWs you *don't* see are the 'Xi AWD cars that beat you
there ...

> > Z rated tires for any of these cars cost the same amount of money and are
> > available at reasonable prices. Tires for BMWs are no more expensive.

>
> But you will need to replace the rear ones much more often, if you enjoy
> spirited driving on winding roads, that is. We all know it is winding roads
> that are good fun.


And some of us know that twisty roads, autocrossing, and driving speed
events on race tracks wears out the *front* tires a lot more than it
does the rears - unless your idea of 'spirited driving' includes lots
of burnouts. It's worst on FWDs.

> At the end of your BMW life you will probably have spent more money on tyres
> for your BMW than I will have on my Quattro gear.


Actually, the end of *my* BMW life will have included driving Audi
Quattros (including turbos) for 14 years, lots of fun FWDs *and* lots
of RWD and a few AWD BMWs - not to mention our current Jaguar X-Type
AWD (a 3.0 5-speed Sport, so you can forget trotting out your tired
old 'but they're slow and have bad autoboxes' line). Of the lot, I
found the Audis (at least all of them after the first 4000/90Q) to be
the most boring. Even my Fiat 128 was more entertaining - when it
ran. ;^)
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Old May 12th 04, 05:07 PM
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"Dori A Schmetterling" > wrote in message >...
> Boys, boys, this has turned into a ****ing competition...


OK; but who won? ;^)
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Old May 12th 04, 05:35 PM
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"C.R. Krieger" > escribió en el mensaje
om...
> "JP Roberts" > wrote in message

>...
> >
> > Your definition of handling superbly does not tally with the fact when I

go
> > skiing I can often find BMW drivers stranded or looking for their

chains.
> > I've driven RWD and can tell you again it's pretty close to useless in
> > really bad weather.

>
> While the BMWs you *don't* see are the 'Xi AWD cars that beat you
> there ...


If it's really slippery, and given the same driver and tyres and similar
engines, Quattro still beats your Xi.

> > > Z rated tires for any of these cars cost the same amount of money and

are
> > > available at reasonable prices. Tires for BMWs are no more expensive.

> >
> > But you will need to replace the rear ones much more often, if you enjoy
> > spirited driving on winding roads, that is. We all know it is winding

roads
> > that are good fun.

>
> And some of us know that twisty roads, autocrossing, and driving speed
> events on race tracks wears out the *front* tires a lot more than it
> does the rears - unless your idea of 'spirited driving' includes lots
> of burnouts. It's worst on FWDs.
>


And some other ones of us know that if you go drifting on an M3, which is my
point, and what really good drivers and real BMWs are best at, my argument
still holds perfectly true.

> > At the end of your BMW life you will probably have spent more money on

tyres
> > for your BMW than I will have on my Quattro gear.

>
> Actually, the end of *my* BMW life will have included driving Audi
> Quattros (including turbos) for 14 years, lots of fun FWDs *and* lots
> of RWD and a few AWD BMWs - not to mention our current Jaguar X-Type
> AWD (a 3.0 5-speed Sport, so you can forget trotting out your tired
> old 'but they're slow and have bad autoboxes' line). Of the lot, I
> found the Audis (at least all of them after the first 4000/90Q) to be
> the most boring. Even my Fiat 128 was more entertaining - when it
> ran. ;^)


Quite possibly true, but Audis may still probably be the safest of all of
those.

> C.R. Krieger
> (Been there; done that)



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Old May 12th 04, 06:03 PM
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"C.R. Krieger" > wrote in message
om...
> "Fred W." <Fred.Wills@allspam myrealbox.com> wrote in message

>...
> >
> > I personally would rather have a BMW with a nice set of low profile

wheels
> > and Z rated summer tires and second set of wheels and winter snow tires.

My
> > second set of wheels and tires would cost what, $600? vs. buying an AWD

car
> > and being crippled in handling for 95% of the year? I can take my snow
> > tires off in the summer. Can you take off your AWD hardware?

>
> "crippled in handling"? Apparently, Fred hasn't experienced the
> difference between dry road AWD neutrality and BMW's famous trailing
> throttle oversteer ...


Hmmm, trailing throttle oversteer... just another tool in the driver's
toolbox, no? What better way to get that back end around the corner in a
hurry? ;-)

-Fred W


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Old May 12th 04, 06:05 PM
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"C.R. Krieger" > wrote in message
om...
> Of the lot, I
> found the Audis (at least all of them after the first 4000/90Q) to be
> the most boring. Even my Fiat 128 was more entertaining - when it
> ran. ;^)


Oh, oh. That sure looks like flame bait posted to an audi newsgroup to
me...

-Fred W


 




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