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07 Wrangler Unlimited
A good step back in the right direction. This might get me interested in
Jeep again. Appearance is OK and the initial utility on the thing looks great. Same old tired jeep performance (+/- 200hp) yawn, with no other options. And the Jeep website still looks/works like someone who just got their first computer did it. A good first step but a lot of ground to make up if they want to sell many vehicles..... Maybe it's the water in MI that inhibits innovation and creativity. Will the last person out of Detroit please remember to turn the lights off? Last time I looked Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Hyundai were not slowing down any. |
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07 Wrangler Unlimited
Toledo.
"Brian Foster" > wrote in message ... >A good step back in the right direction. This might get me interested in >Jeep again. Appearance is OK and the initial utility on the thing looks >great. > > Same old tired jeep performance (+/- 200hp) yawn, with no other options. > > And the Jeep website still looks/works like someone who just got their > first computer did it. > > A good first step but a lot of ground to make up if they want to sell many > vehicles..... > > Maybe it's the water in MI that inhibits innovation and creativity. Will > the last person out of Detroit please remember to turn the lights off? > > Last time I looked Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Hyundai were not slowing down > any. > |
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07 Wrangler Unlimited
As Dieter would say: "It's a joke!"
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O http://www.billhughes.com/ Brian Foster wrote: > > A good step back in the right direction. This might get me interested in > Jeep again. Appearance is OK and the initial utility on the thing looks > great. > > Same old tired jeep performance (+/- 200hp) yawn, with no other options. > > And the Jeep website still looks/works like someone who just got their first > computer did it. > > A good first step but a lot of ground to make up if they want to sell many > vehicles..... > > Maybe it's the water in MI that inhibits innovation and creativity. Will the > last person out of Detroit please remember to turn the lights off? > > Last time I looked Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Hyundai were not slowing down > any. |
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07 Wrangler Unlimited
Have fun with your Kia Sportage, troll.
"Brian Foster" > wrote in message ... >A good step back in the right direction. This might get me interested in >Jeep again. Appearance is OK and the initial utility on the thing looks >great. > > Same old tired jeep performance (+/- 200hp) yawn, with no other options. > > And the Jeep website still looks/works like someone who just got their > first computer did it. > > A good first step but a lot of ground to make up if they want to sell many > vehicles..... > > Maybe it's the water in MI that inhibits innovation and creativity. Will > the last person out of Detroit please remember to turn the lights off? > > Last time I looked Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Hyundai were not slowing down > any. > |
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07 Wrangler Unlimited
D-C America is located in Auburn Hills. The only Big Three HQ in Detroit is
GM, in the Renaissance Center downtown. Ford is in Dearborn. "L.W.(Bill) Hughes III" > wrote in message ... > As Dieter would say: "It's a joke!" > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > http://www.billhughes.com/ > > Brian Foster wrote: >> >> A good step back in the right direction. This might get me interested in >> Jeep again. Appearance is OK and the initial utility on the thing looks >> great. >> >> Same old tired jeep performance (+/- 200hp) yawn, with no other options. >> >> And the Jeep website still looks/works like someone who just got their >> first >> computer did it. >> >> A good first step but a lot of ground to make up if they want to sell >> many >> vehicles..... >> >> Maybe it's the water in MI that inhibits innovation and creativity. Will >> the >> last person out of Detroit please remember to turn the lights off? >> >> Last time I looked Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Hyundai were not slowing >> down >> any. |
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07 Wrangler Unlimited
Thanks Matty, first for the geography lesson and then the Kia crack. Kia BTW
is making pretty damn good vehicles. You just go right ahead and underestimate them, like you did Toyota. Just keep buying jeeps, Dr Z loves ya "Matt Macchiarolo" > wrote in message . .. > Have fun with your Kia Sportage, troll. > > "Brian Foster" > wrote in message > ... >>A good step back in the right direction. This might get me interested in >>Jeep again. Appearance is OK and the initial utility on the thing looks >>great. >> >> Same old tired jeep performance (+/- 200hp) yawn, with no other options. >> >> And the Jeep website still looks/works like someone who just got their >> first computer did it. >> >> A good first step but a lot of ground to make up if they want to sell >> many vehicles..... >> >> Maybe it's the water in MI that inhibits innovation and creativity. Will >> the last person out of Detroit please remember to turn the lights off? >> >> Last time I looked Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Hyundai were not slowing >> down any. >> > > |
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Now Bill..... South Korea was never our enemy...
"L.W.(Bill) Hughes III" > wrote in message ... > You should support your countries and move to Korea or Japan. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > http://www.billhughes.com/ > > Brian Foster wrote: >> >> Thanks Matty, first for the geography lesson and then the Kia crack. Kia >> BTW >> is making pretty damn good vehicles. You just go right ahead and >> underestimate them, like you did Toyota. Just keep buying jeeps, Dr Z >> loves >> ya |
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I don't underestimate foreign brands, I just choose not to buy them, not out
of Bill's not getting over the war, but just because I prefer to support American companies. Out of every car I or my wife has ever owned or leased, only two were foreign brands (Toyota and Honda, both the wife's) Her mid-90's Toyota Avalon was OK, but it was too small for me, and the OEM tires had chunks out of them (Pirellis, I think) after 20,000 miles. Her Honda Odessey from a couple years ago came right off the lot with a severe oil leak, a quart every hundred miles or so, and a puddle every time we parked it. The dealer couldn't fix it in four tries, their attitude was Hondas never have defects like this...so Honda ended up buying it back under Michigan's lemon law. I never said Kia made bad vehicles. I just said have fun in yours. I'll have fun in my Jeeps and Fords, and when you need to be pulled out of a small mudhole I might even help you out, because I'm that nice a guy. "Brian Foster" > wrote in message ... > Thanks Matty, first for the geography lesson and then the Kia crack. Kia > BTW is making pretty damn good vehicles. You just go right ahead and > underestimate them, like you did Toyota. Just keep buying jeeps, Dr Z > loves ya > > > "Matt Macchiarolo" > wrote in message > . .. >> Have fun with your Kia Sportage, troll. >> >> "Brian Foster" > wrote in message >> ... >>>A good step back in the right direction. This might get me interested in >>>Jeep again. Appearance is OK and the initial utility on the thing looks >>>great. >>> >>> Same old tired jeep performance (+/- 200hp) yawn, with no other options. >>> >>> And the Jeep website still looks/works like someone who just got their >>> first computer did it. >>> >>> A good first step but a lot of ground to make up if they want to sell >>> many vehicles..... >>> >>> Maybe it's the water in MI that inhibits innovation and creativity. Will >>> the last person out of Detroit please remember to turn the lights off? >>> >>> Last time I looked Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Hyundai were not slowing >>> down any. >>> >> >> > > |
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07 Wrangler Unlimited
Brian Foster wrote:
> Same old tired jeep performance (+/- 200hp) yawn, with no other options. How many Jeep competitors offer a 6-speed? Hummer, maybe? Dr. Z's German tranny seems to work rather nicely with it -- much better than whatever they were using in my old Wrangler "X". The new shift pattern does take some getting used to, though. If you go too far and hit "R" instead of "6", you get this interesting grinding sound. Did that maybe three times until my aim improved :-) I can see many improvements in just 2-3 years. Now for 2007, I'm not so sure. It's all in what you're looking for, I guess. Mike '06 TJ Sport -- (for email address, change 'XX' to 'bb') |
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07 Wrangler Unlimited
Hey folks, I prefer to buy American and even local whenever possible too.
And for every story about poor quality, workmanship, service that you can give me about a foreign make/model would you believe I would not have to look far/long to come up with two involving a domestic make/model. I just got a class action suit mailing last week involving brakes on my old Grand Cherokee. They sucked and enough people got tired of it and DC's ambivalence to it, so they decided to take legal actions. That seems to be the only thing that gets Detroit's (I use Detroit to characterize all US automakers) attention. I just got back from a trip to Detroit area. I've been in the Food and Beverage business for a long time and I've had Detroit in my territory (on and off) for many years. The economy is still in the crapper and the number of people leaving the area continues to grow. The auto industry is the major employer and they are in BIG trouble and dragging the entire area down with them. It's all well documented over the last decade or so. My concern is that they just don't seem to get it. They keep putting out products that are old technology and lack innovation. And there is no excuse for it other than the culture of the industry that I can see. I like to buy American as much as anyone. I also need to be realistic when it comes to putting $20-$40K or more into something I buy or lease. That still represents a lot of dough to me so I feel it is my responsibility to buy the best product I can for the money. I get mad at Detroit when they choose (and that's what it is, a choice) not to be competitive with other world wide auto makers. What is the market looking for right now? SUVs? High Mileage? or even better Alternative fueled vehicles? So why do we keep getting the same old tired things from Detroit. The Wrangler Unlimited caught my eye because it looked different. Upon further review, there are some differences (and they are good) but there are way to many of the old ways in there. Out of the box thinking try this one: Who has the money? Oil Companies right. Who is hemorrhaging money and looking at a very bleak future? Detroit right. Both industries need each other and both have significant headquarters in the US. So why are we not seeing a joint venture between GM and Exxon/Mobil instead of GM and Renault? Lets get US automakers and US oil companies to work together for the quantum leap to the next vehicles and fuels for them. That is your next space race and cold war right there boys and girls. I'll go now, I've ranted enough. That damn class action suit letter ****ed me off. Then I look at the new Jeep and I just get ****ed again. "Matt Macchiarolo" > wrote in message . .. >I don't underestimate foreign brands, I just choose not to buy them, not >out of Bill's not getting over the war, but just because I prefer to >support American companies. Out of every car I or my wife has ever owned or >leased, only two were foreign brands (Toyota and Honda, both the wife's) > > Her mid-90's Toyota Avalon was OK, but it was too small for me, and the > OEM tires had chunks out of them (Pirellis, I think) after 20,000 miles. > Her Honda Odessey from a couple years ago came right off the lot with a > severe oil leak, a quart every hundred miles or so, and a puddle every > time we parked it. The dealer couldn't fix it in four tries, their > attitude was Hondas never have defects like this...so Honda ended up > buying it back under Michigan's lemon law. > > I never said Kia made bad vehicles. I just said have fun in yours. I'll > have fun in my Jeeps and Fords, and when you need to be pulled out of a > small mudhole I might even help you out, because I'm that nice a guy. > > "Brian Foster" > wrote in message > ... >> Thanks Matty, first for the geography lesson and then the Kia crack. Kia >> BTW is making pretty damn good vehicles. You just go right ahead and >> underestimate them, like you did Toyota. Just keep buying jeeps, Dr Z >> loves ya >> >> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" > wrote in message >> . .. >>> Have fun with your Kia Sportage, troll. >>> >>> "Brian Foster" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>>A good step back in the right direction. This might get me interested in >>>>Jeep again. Appearance is OK and the initial utility on the thing looks >>>>great. >>>> >>>> Same old tired jeep performance (+/- 200hp) yawn, with no other >>>> options. >>>> >>>> And the Jeep website still looks/works like someone who just got their >>>> first computer did it. >>>> >>>> A good first step but a lot of ground to make up if they want to sell >>>> many vehicles..... >>>> >>>> Maybe it's the water in MI that inhibits innovation and creativity. >>>> Will the last person out of Detroit please remember to turn the lights >>>> off? >>>> >>>> Last time I looked Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Hyundai were not slowing >>>> down any. >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
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