Oil and Filter Change

"Steve W." > wrote in :


>
> The problem with this and many other warnings of this type are these
> words "continuous contact" with "whatever product" has caused skin
> cancer in laboratory animal tests.
>
> That basically means they shave the rat. Put a product soaked cotton
> ball on the spot and tape it there. Then they replace it with a new
> one every few hours or just shoot some more of the product onto the
> cotton. Not a realistic test of what really happens. I doubt there is
> anyone out there taking baths in used oil. or soaking their clothes in
> it and wearing them while dripping oil.



The method used is called "maximum tolerated dose". Basically they up the
dosage to a point just short of killing the animal, then they see if
pathologies develop.

This is how they test most substances, including everything the State of
California "knows" causes cancer (which seems to be just about everything
on Earth, judging by those ubiquitous Prop 65 placards...)

The method is highly unrealistic for everyday life.



>
> How about this warning. Continuous inhalation of H2O has been shown
> to cause death in humans in actual life.
>
>


Yeah, maybe that dihydrogen oxide should be a controlled substance!


--
Tegger

"Built_Well" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Hls wrote:
>
<snipped>
>> Some impact wrenches can put up a heck of a lot more than 100 lb-ft.
>> I have seen some that can literally shear off a lug bolt.

There are lots of automotive impact guns that put out over 500 foot-pounds.

>>
>> TorqStix dont always solve the problem either. I had two sets of
>> front rotors warped at Discount Tire with their damn torque sticks.
>

Torque Stix usually work well, it's the user that do not always work well.
If the front rotors were warped witth Torque Stix on the impact gun, the
user either didn't read, couldn't comprehend, or ignored the directions that
came with them. You have to release the trigger when the lug nut stops
rotating because if you keep hammering, they will still allow the lug nuts
to become over-tightened.

--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

"Tegger" > wrote in message
...
> "Steve W." > wrote in :
>
>
>>
>> The problem with this and many other warnings of this type are these
>> words "continuous contact" with "whatever product" has caused skin
>> cancer in laboratory animal tests.
>>
>> That basically means they shave the rat. Put a product soaked cotton
>> ball on the spot and tape it there. Then they replace it with a new
>> one every few hours or just shoot some more of the product onto the
>> cotton. Not a realistic test of what really happens. I doubt there is
>> anyone out there taking baths in used oil. or soaking their clothes in
>> it and wearing them while dripping oil.
>
>
>
> The method used is called "maximum tolerated dose". Basically they up the
> dosage to a point just short of killing the animal, then they see if
> pathologies develop.
>
> This is how they test most substances, including everything the State of
> California "knows" causes cancer (which seems to be just about everything
> on Earth, judging by those ubiquitous Prop 65 placards...)
>
> The method is highly unrealistic for everyday life.
>
>
>
>>
>> How about this warning. Continuous inhalation of H2O has been shown
>> to cause death in humans in actual life.
>>
>>
>
>
> Yeah, maybe that dihydrogen oxide should be a controlled substance!
>
>
> --
> Tegger
>


There was a rumor that skateboarding caused cancer, but the scientists
couldn't prove or disprove the rumor because the rats wouldn't stay on the
skateboard long enough.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

I have never heard of Torque Stix before.How are they used?
cuhulin

"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
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>
> "Built_Well" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>>
>> Hls wrote:
>>
> <snipped>
>>> Some impact wrenches can put up a heck of a lot more than 100 lb-ft.
>>> I have seen some that can literally shear off a lug bolt.
>
> There are lots of automotive impact guns that put out over 500
> foot-pounds.
>
>>>
>>> TorqStix dont always solve the problem either. I had two sets of
>>> front rotors warped at Discount Tire with their damn torque sticks.
>>
>
> Torque Stix usually work well, it's the user that do not always work well.
> If the front rotors were warped witth Torque Stix on the impact gun, the
> user either didn't read, couldn't comprehend, or ignored the directions
> that came with them. You have to release the trigger when the lug nut
> stops rotating because if you keep hammering, they will still allow the
> lug nuts to become over-tightened.

That could well be the problem, Ray. Tools, in the hands of those who dont
know how to use them, or who refuse to use them as they were designed to be
used, can be weapons.

We have a local tire company which still puts on wheels with impact wrenches
with no Torque Stix. They dont even have a torque wrench in the house. When
I am forced to use them, I take my own torque wrench and insist that they
use it.

On Oct 10, 8:22 pm, Built_Well > wrote:
> I'm going to follow BadGolferMan's lead, and start
> changing my own oil.
>
> There's a great CD-ROM that comes with the book
> "Auto Upkeep - Basic Car Care" by Michael E. Gray.
> On the CD is a great checklist of things to do
> when changing your car's oil.
>
> Here it is:
> --
>
> Upon completion of this activity, you will be able to safely
> change the oil and filter on a vehicle.
>

Uuuhhh...if it takes that many lines to describe how to do something
as simple as an oil and filter change I shudder to think how many CD's
are needed to describe a brake job! The problem with writing overly
detailed instructions to fit all cars is that many readers will focus
intently on trying to complete each step in sequence and fail to think
about whether a given step makes sense for their car.

> wrote in message
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>I have never heard of Torque Stix before.How are they used?
> cuhulin

They are like an extension that fits between the impact wrench and the
socket.
I believe some of them have the socket integral with the unit

They are made to limit the torque that the impact wrench should deliver to
the
lug nut.

But you can overtighten or undertighten with them. I have had this happen
twice
with Dodge heavy duty truck rotors, and the timing, etc, is directly
correlated to
the use of this type of tool.

I dont allow them to be used on my cars any longer.

"hls" > wrote in
t:

>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>>I have never heard of Torque Stix before.How are they used?
>> cuhulin
>
> They are like an extension that fits between the impact wrench and the
> socket.
> I believe some of them have the socket integral with the unit
>
> They are made to limit the torque that the impact wrench should
> deliver to the
> lug nut.



Impact wrenches apply force for a very short time, and each "hit" only
moves the drive a tiny distance.

Seems to me the idea behind TorqStix is that once a certain fastener
tightness is reached, the wrench's effort is wasted in twisting the shaft
of the TorqStix, and any force applied is thus dissipated before it can
rotate the fastener.

I'd think impact gun capacity, air pressure and gun calibration would be
crucial to accuracy with TorqStix. You'd also have to avoid turning the
impact gun while operating it.


--
Tegger

wrote:
> I have never heard of Torque Stix before.How are they used?
> cuhulin
>

They are basically calibrated extensions for a rattle gun. They flex
when they hit the appropriate torque level. If they are used properly
they work OK. The usual sets are color coded and include a chart that
tells you what color to use for what torque and size of lug. The catch
is that a lot of shops just hand them out and the folks don't READ the
directions or they don't follow them. Then you have a problem.

http://www.steelman-js.com/html/torq...tensions_1.htm


--
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York

Another thing that disappointed me about my Toyota tech's
service was the way he tightened the wheel's lug nuts.

Instead of following the manual's procedure of gradually
tightening the set of 5 nuts on a wheel, he completely
tightened one, then went onto the next. I would have
appreciated it if he would have simply tightened each
nut half-way before returning to it. That's not too much extra work.

Well, at least he did follow a star pattern. But, as
I said the other day, the worst part was his not using
a torque wrench to tighten the nuts, so he couldn't have
precisely applied 76 foot-pounds of torque per lug nut, as the manual
calls for.

That's not exactly premiere Toyota service.

I can only hope no rotors or drums are being warped.
(The '06 Camry LE uses drum brakes in the rear and
disks in front; the '07 uses disk brakes all around).


The tech isn't new. He told me he's been working on
Toyotas for years. And he must be 40- or 50-
something. So it's not like I got a newcomer to
work on my car.